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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by Jim Keene <ji...@hotmail.com> on 2003/01/08 08:56:45 UTC
[users@httpd] Stupid questions VS. Stupid answers...
Dear list-members,
I must say it is not a very mature thing to give stupid answers on stupid
questions. Why being rude and give answers in a contemptous way ? I guess
this is the typical mentality of "hot shots" in this world. Why
give someone a helpful hint without being rude ? I see this behavour growing
and being fed by peoples need of respect for all late hours learning the
secrets of fancy unix commands or in this case configuration directives of
apache. Please don't scare people of this list and try to be polite even to
people you think are newbies. If everything in manuals was totally clear
then would a lot of technicians be without work today.
So shame on you, who don't show respect!
/Jim, an old unix administrator from Hell.....
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Re: [users@httpd] Stupid questions VS. Stupid answers...
Posted by Renato Salles <ma...@brturbo.com>.
Zac,
I absolutely agree with your point of view. And, one think must be
noted also, from the newbieland: sometimes a stupid question is asked
with no perception at all of the sender. People are not only lazy, but
ignorant sometimes.
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 06:42, Zac Stevens wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 01:56:45AM -0600, Jim Keene wrote:
> > I must say it is not a very mature thing to give stupid answers on stupid
> > questions. Why being rude and give answers in a contemptous way ? I guess
> > this is the typical mentality of "hot shots" in this world. Why
> > give someone a helpful hint without being rude ? I see this behavour growing
> > and being fed by peoples need of respect for all late hours learning the
> > secrets of fancy unix commands or in this case configuration directives of
>
> By way of preamble, I for one do not look for any sort of reward in
> contributing to the list - except, perhaps, the warm & fuzzies one gets
> from helping someone else. The time and information I am able to
> contribute are given freely. Onward...
>
> > apache. Please don't scare people of this list and try to be polite even to
> > people you think are newbies. If everything in manuals was totally clear
> > then would a lot of technicians be without work today.
>
> I'm not sure this is really the case - there's a lot of restaurants around
> in spite of the fact that most people are able to cook for themselves. But
> alas, that's neither your point nor mine.
>
> I agree, more or less, with your assertion - it is rude to mock someone
> because that person has less knowledge or experience than oneself and such
> behaviour should be avoided. In a perfect world, a support list (such as
> this one) would never see a snide comment.
>
> You haven't cited a particular example, so I guess we can't really go into
> detail here. You'll note, however, that in the past week there have been
> several self-described "absolute newbies" on the list who have been
> patiently helped out and educated by the more knowledgable list members.
> There have also been several others who have received less than helpful
> responses. What distinguishes these two groups?
>
> > So shame on you, who don't show respect!
>
> This, in a nutshell, is the problem - and it cuts both ways. To be honest,
> I really can't recall many cases where someone has been savaged purely
> because they lack knowledge and experience - usually, other factors are
> involved. For example, a lack of respect for the people giving something
> for nothing.
>
> The HTTPD homepage provides many useful resources - documentation, FAQs,
> HOW-TO's - in addition to links to support forums and their archives, and a
> copy of ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" document. The nature of this list
> in particular is clearly stated, as is the need to ask questions in a way
> that helps others to help provide answers. Nonetheless, sometimes all
> these things are ignored in the search for a quick fix.
>
> Although I'm not a major contributor to this list, I do take pleasure from
> the occasions where I'm able to help someone resolve a problem they're
> having. At the same time, I am disappointed when I see somebody looking to
> be *told* what to do without any desire to learn from the experience.
> While this is not the place for that sort of assistance, there are a number
> of commercial providers who would be happy to do so for an appropriate fee.
>
> You note in your opening, "I must say it is not a very mature thing to give
> stupid answers on stupid questions." I'd argue that asking stupid
> questions is not a very respectful way to make use of a free support list.
> There may be no such thing as a free lunch, but if the only cost was
> showing the chef a little courtesy I think you'd be getting a good deal.
>
> I hope I'm not seen as being out of line here - anyone who thinks so is
> most welcome to drop me a line to let me know, either on the list or
> directly.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Zac
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Stupid questions VS. Stupid answers...
Posted by Zac Stevens <zt...@cryptocracy.com>.
Hi Jim,
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 01:56:45AM -0600, Jim Keene wrote:
> I must say it is not a very mature thing to give stupid answers on stupid
> questions. Why being rude and give answers in a contemptous way ? I guess
> this is the typical mentality of "hot shots" in this world. Why
> give someone a helpful hint without being rude ? I see this behavour growing
> and being fed by peoples need of respect for all late hours learning the
> secrets of fancy unix commands or in this case configuration directives of
By way of preamble, I for one do not look for any sort of reward in
contributing to the list - except, perhaps, the warm & fuzzies one gets
from helping someone else. The time and information I am able to
contribute are given freely. Onward...
> apache. Please don't scare people of this list and try to be polite even to
> people you think are newbies. If everything in manuals was totally clear
> then would a lot of technicians be without work today.
I'm not sure this is really the case - there's a lot of restaurants around
in spite of the fact that most people are able to cook for themselves. But
alas, that's neither your point nor mine.
I agree, more or less, with your assertion - it is rude to mock someone
because that person has less knowledge or experience than oneself and such
behaviour should be avoided. In a perfect world, a support list (such as
this one) would never see a snide comment.
You haven't cited a particular example, so I guess we can't really go into
detail here. You'll note, however, that in the past week there have been
several self-described "absolute newbies" on the list who have been
patiently helped out and educated by the more knowledgable list members.
There have also been several others who have received less than helpful
responses. What distinguishes these two groups?
> So shame on you, who don't show respect!
This, in a nutshell, is the problem - and it cuts both ways. To be honest,
I really can't recall many cases where someone has been savaged purely
because they lack knowledge and experience - usually, other factors are
involved. For example, a lack of respect for the people giving something
for nothing.
The HTTPD homepage provides many useful resources - documentation, FAQs,
HOW-TO's - in addition to links to support forums and their archives, and a
copy of ESR's "Asking Smart Questions" document. The nature of this list
in particular is clearly stated, as is the need to ask questions in a way
that helps others to help provide answers. Nonetheless, sometimes all
these things are ignored in the search for a quick fix.
Although I'm not a major contributor to this list, I do take pleasure from
the occasions where I'm able to help someone resolve a problem they're
having. At the same time, I am disappointed when I see somebody looking to
be *told* what to do without any desire to learn from the experience.
While this is not the place for that sort of assistance, there are a number
of commercial providers who would be happy to do so for an appropriate fee.
You note in your opening, "I must say it is not a very mature thing to give
stupid answers on stupid questions." I'd argue that asking stupid
questions is not a very respectful way to make use of a free support list.
There may be no such thing as a free lunch, but if the only cost was
showing the chef a little courtesy I think you'd be getting a good deal.
I hope I'm not seen as being out of line here - anyone who thinks so is
most welcome to drop me a line to let me know, either on the list or
directly.
Cheers,
Zac
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RE: [users@httpd] Stupid questions VS. Stupid answers...
Posted by Koen Vingerhoets <ko...@ubench.com>.
I would like to add:
shame on those, who can't type the keywords of their problem in
www.google.com
but's that just me :s
/Koen, a windows net/sysop from ... um Belgium
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Keene [mailto:jim_keene63@hotmail.com]
Sent: 08 January 2003 08:57
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: [users@httpd] Stupid questions VS. Stupid answers...
Dear list-members,
I must say it is not a very mature thing to give stupid answers on stupid
questions. Why being rude and give answers in a contemptous way ? I guess
this is the typical mentality of "hot shots" in this world. Why
give someone a helpful hint without being rude ? I see this behavour growing
and being fed by peoples need of respect for all late hours learning the
secrets of fancy unix commands or in this case configuration directives of
apache. Please don't scare people of this list and try to be polite even to
people you think are newbies. If everything in manuals was totally clear
then would a lot of technicians be without work today.
So shame on you, who don't show respect!
/Jim, an old unix administrator from Hell.....
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