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[win32] mp2 recommended Perl?
ActiveState have released officially an ActivePerl 8xx Win32
binary, based on perl-5.8. For mod_perl-2, a number of people
have reported problems with Win32 perl-5.6 that have been
resolved by going to perl-5.8. Despite the early stages, are
there any thoughts to making perl-5.8 the recommended version for
mod_perl-2 on Win32?
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Re: [win32] mp2 recommended Perl?
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Randy Kobes wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Stas Bekman wrote:
>
>
>>Kyle Oppenheim wrote:
>>
>>>>The build: currently we only warn about using 5.6.0 and
>>>>suggest to move to 5.6.1 at least. Though I doubt that
>>>>anybody sees that warning, as it gets swept away by
>>>>compiler's noise. I was suggesting before to move this note's
>>>>printing to the very end (or repeat twice?), so user will
>>>>notice it. Once we think it's prominent enough I suppose that
>>>>we can suggest to build with 5.8.0 for threaded mpms.
>>>
>>>If you are afraid people won't see it, you could just force
>>>them to acknowledge the warning. Print an error; fail
>>>immediately; and prompt the user that they can workaround by
>>>specifying an additional argument to Makefile.PL or configure
>>>(e.g. --ignore_perl_version).
>>
>>Your idea is good. Though it can cause a problem with
>>unattended CPAN builds. We will see how it goes and add
>>enforcements if we really need to later as we get closer to a
>>release date.
>
>
> How about, in the meantime, taking your suggestion and
> repeating the warning twice, as in
the place you added it to, is executed before the compilation, so usually not
seen. What we really need, is to run this as the last thing of the Makefile's
all: target. So meanwhile I've just committed the part of the patch that talks
about WIN32.
> ==========================================================
> Index: Makefile.PL
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /home/cvspublic/modperl-2.0/Makefile.PL,v
> retrieving revision 1.87
> diff -u -r1.87 Makefile.PL
> --- Makefile.PL 29 Jun 2002 19:44:04 -0000 1.87
> +++ Makefile.PL 14 Dec 2002 17:43:34 -0000
> @@ -226,6 +226,7 @@
> "- or 'use Apache2 ();' in a startup script";
> }
>
> + perl_version_check();
> $build->save;
> }
>
> @@ -305,6 +306,11 @@
> error "5.7.x development versions of Perl are no longer supported\n" .
> "Upgrade to 5.8.0 or higher";
> exit 1;
> + }
> +
> + if (WIN32 and $] < 5.008) {
> + error "You are running a Perl version 5.6.x\n" .
> + "We strongly suggest you upgrade to 5.8\n";
> }
> }
>
> ================================================================
>
> (perl_version_check() should be called at the beginning of the
> build also, as if one is using a 5.7 Perl, it exits immediately).
> I also added a warning about using 5.6.x on Win32 specifically,
> as from previous posts, this combination seems particularly
> troublesome. I'll also update the Win32 docs to reflect this.
>
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Re: [win32] mp2 recommended Perl?
Posted by Randy Kobes <ra...@theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca>.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Stas Bekman wrote:
> Kyle Oppenheim wrote:
> >>The build: currently we only warn about using 5.6.0 and
> >>suggest to move to 5.6.1 at least. Though I doubt that
> >>anybody sees that warning, as it gets swept away by
> >>compiler's noise. I was suggesting before to move this note's
> >>printing to the very end (or repeat twice?), so user will
> >>notice it. Once we think it's prominent enough I suppose that
> >>we can suggest to build with 5.8.0 for threaded mpms.
> >
> > If you are afraid people won't see it, you could just force
> > them to acknowledge the warning. Print an error; fail
> > immediately; and prompt the user that they can workaround by
> > specifying an additional argument to Makefile.PL or configure
> > (e.g. --ignore_perl_version).
>
> Your idea is good. Though it can cause a problem with
> unattended CPAN builds. We will see how it goes and add
> enforcements if we really need to later as we get closer to a
> release date.
How about, in the meantime, taking your suggestion and
repeating the warning twice, as in
==========================================================
Index: Makefile.PL
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/cvspublic/modperl-2.0/Makefile.PL,v
retrieving revision 1.87
diff -u -r1.87 Makefile.PL
--- Makefile.PL 29 Jun 2002 19:44:04 -0000 1.87
+++ Makefile.PL 14 Dec 2002 17:43:34 -0000
@@ -226,6 +226,7 @@
"- or 'use Apache2 ();' in a startup script";
}
+ perl_version_check();
$build->save;
}
@@ -305,6 +306,11 @@
error "5.7.x development versions of Perl are no longer supported\n" .
"Upgrade to 5.8.0 or higher";
exit 1;
+ }
+
+ if (WIN32 and $] < 5.008) {
+ error "You are running a Perl version 5.6.x\n" .
+ "We strongly suggest you upgrade to 5.8\n";
}
}
================================================================
(perl_version_check() should be called at the beginning of the
build also, as if one is using a 5.7 Perl, it exits immediately).
I also added a warning about using 5.6.x on Win32 specifically,
as from previous posts, this combination seems particularly
troublesome. I'll also update the Win32 docs to reflect this.
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randy
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Re: [win32] mp2 recommended Perl?
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Kyle Oppenheim wrote:
>>The build: currently we only warn about using 5.6.0 and suggest to move to
>>5.6.1 at least. Though I doubt that anybody sees that warning, as it gets
>>swept away by compiler's noise. I was suggesting before to move this
>
> note's
>
>>printing to the very end (or repeat twice?), so user will notice it. Once
>>we think it's prominent enough I suppose that we can suggest to build with
>>5.8.0 for threaded mpms.
>
>
> If you are afraid people won't see it, you could just force them to
> acknowledge the warning. Print an error; fail immediately; and prompt the
> user that they can workaround by specifying an additional argument to
> Makefile.PL or configure (e.g. --ignore_perl_version).
Your idea is good. Though it can cause a problem with unattended CPAN builds.
We will see how it goes and add enforcements if we really need to later as we
get closer to a release date.
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Re: [win32] mp2 recommended Perl?
Posted by Kyle Oppenheim <ky...@tellme.com>.
> The build: currently we only warn about using 5.6.0 and suggest to move to
> 5.6.1 at least. Though I doubt that anybody sees that warning, as it gets
> swept away by compiler's noise. I was suggesting before to move this
note's
> printing to the very end (or repeat twice?), so user will notice it. Once
> we think it's prominent enough I suppose that we can suggest to build with
> 5.8.0 for threaded mpms.
If you are afraid people won't see it, you could just force them to
acknowledge the warning. Print an error; fail immediately; and prompt the
user that they can workaround by specifying an additional argument to
Makefile.PL or configure (e.g. --ignore_perl_version).
--
Kyle Oppenheim
Tellme Networks, Inc.
http://www.tellme.com
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Re: [win32] mp2 recommended Perl?
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Randy Kobes wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Stas Bekman wrote:
>
>
>>Randy Kobes wrote:
>>
>>>ActiveState have released officially an ActivePerl 8xx Win32
>>>binary, based on perl-5.8. For mod_perl-2, a number of people
>>>have reported problems with Win32 perl-5.6 that have been
>>>resolved by going to perl-5.8. Despite the early stages, are
>>>there any thoughts to making perl-5.8 the recommended version for
>>>mod_perl-2 on Win32?
>>
>>What do you mean by "making it recommended", print a warning?
>>Since win32 users need the threaded mpm (so not to run
>>serially), 5.8.0 is almost required, since 5.6.1's ithreads
>>aren't as robust as 5.8.0's, no? Unless ActivePerl 5.6.1
>>doesn't have the same issues as the normal Perl 5.6.1 does.
>
>
> Although ActivePerl 5.6.1 does have some changes over the CPAN
> perl-5.6.1, from what I gather from mine and other's experiences,
> there's still problems with ActivePerl-5.6.1 and mod_perl-2 (for
> example, when I run the mp2 tests on 5.6.1, often all memory gets
> used up, but it's fine with 5.8). However, it's not necessary to
> have 5.8 to build mp2 - 5.6.1 is OK at this level. But perhaps a
> warning at the Makefile.PL stage could be given if Win32 and
> 5.6.1 are used, saying an upgrade to 5.8 is recommended for mp2?
> As well as suitable warnings in the docs?
The docs already say that threaded mpm needs 5.8.0
http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/install/install.html#Prerequisites
I guess we need to add a similar note for win32 docs.
The build: currently we only warn about using 5.6.0 and suggest to move to
5.6.1 at least. Though I doubt that anybody sees that warning, as it gets
swept away by compiler's noise. I was suggesting before to move this note's
printing to the very end (or repeat twice?), so user will notice it. Once we
think it's prominent enough I suppose that we can suggest to build with 5.8.0
for threaded mpms.
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Re: [win32] mp2 recommended Perl?
Posted by Randy Kobes <ra...@theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca>.
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Stas Bekman wrote:
> Randy Kobes wrote:
> > ActiveState have released officially an ActivePerl 8xx Win32
> > binary, based on perl-5.8. For mod_perl-2, a number of people
> > have reported problems with Win32 perl-5.6 that have been
> > resolved by going to perl-5.8. Despite the early stages, are
> > there any thoughts to making perl-5.8 the recommended version for
> > mod_perl-2 on Win32?
>
> What do you mean by "making it recommended", print a warning?
> Since win32 users need the threaded mpm (so not to run
> serially), 5.8.0 is almost required, since 5.6.1's ithreads
> aren't as robust as 5.8.0's, no? Unless ActivePerl 5.6.1
> doesn't have the same issues as the normal Perl 5.6.1 does.
Although ActivePerl 5.6.1 does have some changes over the CPAN
perl-5.6.1, from what I gather from mine and other's experiences,
there's still problems with ActivePerl-5.6.1 and mod_perl-2 (for
example, when I run the mp2 tests on 5.6.1, often all memory gets
used up, but it's fine with 5.8). However, it's not necessary to
have 5.8 to build mp2 - 5.6.1 is OK at this level. But perhaps a
warning at the Makefile.PL stage could be given if Win32 and
5.6.1 are used, saying an upgrade to 5.8 is recommended for mp2?
As well as suitable warnings in the docs?
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best regards,
randy
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Re: [win32] mp2 recommended Perl?
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Randy Kobes wrote:
> ActiveState have released officially an ActivePerl 8xx Win32
> binary, based on perl-5.8. For mod_perl-2, a number of people
> have reported problems with Win32 perl-5.6 that have been
> resolved by going to perl-5.8. Despite the early stages, are
> there any thoughts to making perl-5.8 the recommended version for
> mod_perl-2 on Win32?
What do you mean by "making it recommended", print a warning? Since win32
users need the threaded mpm (so not to run serially), 5.8.0 is almost
required, since 5.6.1's ithreads aren't as robust as 5.8.0's, no? Unless
ActivePerl 5.6.1 doesn't have the same issues as the normal Perl 5.6.1 does.
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