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Posted to users@isis.apache.org by Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au> on 2015/11/23 06:55:59 UTC
Project name
Hi,
Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for apache isis usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results, and I would expect that might just increase over time. It also might trigger email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for some. I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
Thanks
RE: Project name
Posted by Cesar Lugo <ce...@sisorg.com.mx>.
Hi, just another user here. I ran into the same issues, searching for Apache ISIS gives similar results because the Apache helicopters agains Isis. Looking for Apache ISIS framework works much better for me. I hope that helps.
Cesar.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-PS [mailto:Joerg.Rade@Kuehne-Nagel.com]
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:23 AM
To: users@isis.apache.org
Subject: AW: Project name
Hi,
in German media IS now is used instead of ISIS when referring to [2].
I thought Apache Isis was named after the Egyptian goodness [1].
BTW: When I searched for 'Naked Objects' I saw a filter message as well ;-)
Jörg
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
[2] https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2015 11:32
An: users
Betreff: Re: Project name
Hi Andrew,
Welcome to this mailing list!
We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided then to leave the project name as it is. But if there are new circumstances we might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always refer to the project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a trend of abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't know the situation well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does not hinder our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either. I'm still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited resources in making our framework better.
FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part of the river Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
Jeroen
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
[2]
http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project
> name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for
> apache isis usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results, and I
> would expect that might just increase over time. It also might trigger
> email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for some.
> I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the
> word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
>
> I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could
> cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
>
> Thanks
>
>
Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
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Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen Spediteursbedingungen (ADSp), jeweils neuester Fassung. Wir verweisen insbesondere auf die vom Gesetz abweichenden Haftungsbeschränkungen von Ziffer 23 und 24 ADSp. Den vollständigen Text der ADSp übersenden wir Ihnen gerne auf Anfrage und können Sie auch unter http://www.kuehne-nagel.com einsehen. Ergänzend wird vereinbart, dass (1) Ziffer 27 ADSp im Rahmen internationaler Übereinkommen weder unsere Haftung noch die Zurechnung des Verschuldens von Leuten und sonstigen Dritten zu Gunsten des Auftraggebers erweitert, und (2) wir in den im deutschen Seehandelsrecht aufgeführten Fällen des nautischen Verschuldens oder Feuer an Bord nur für eigenes Verschulden und (3) im Sinne der CMNI genannten Voraussetzungen nicht für nautisches Verschulden, Feuer an Bord oder Mängel des Schiffes haften.
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Re: Project name
Posted by Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@gmail.com>.
There is an already Apache River ;)
On 23 November 2015 at 22:43, Stephen Cameron <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Happy to consider change to 'Apache River Isis' I like that better.
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > my 2c: Its not worth changing our name, some of my reasons:
> > 1. The considerable effort could be better used elsewhere
> > 2. Many entities names coincide with “undesirable" ones (some might even
> > object to Apache helicopters)
> > 3. ISIS name might change, actually it is starting to, as others have
> > mentioned, if they changed it to our new name should we change again??
> > 4. *** them, we were here first
> >
> > Mike Burton
> > mikeb@mycosystems.co.uk
> >
> > > On 23 Nov 2015, at 16:19, Dain Gosbee <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I just wanted to chime in here. Personally, I would also advocate
> > changing
> > > the name. I would also be happy to take part in suggesting name
> changes.
> > >
> > > Just wanted to add my two cents.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dain Gosbee
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Cesar Lugo <ce...@sisorg.com.mx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, just another user here. I ran into the same issues, searching for
> > >> Apache ISIS gives similar results because the Apache helicopters
> agains
> > >> Isis. Looking for Apache ISIS framework works much better for me. I
> hope
> > >> that helps.
> > >>
> > >> Cesar.
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-PS [mailto:
> > >> Joerg.Rade@Kuehne-Nagel.com]
> > >> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:23 AM
> > >> To: users@isis.apache.org
> > >> Subject: AW: Project name
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> in German media IS now is used instead of ISIS when referring to [2].
> > >> I thought Apache Isis was named after the Egyptian goodness [1].
> > >>
> > >> BTW: When I searched for 'Naked Objects' I saw a filter message as
> well
> > ;-)
> > >>
> > >> Jörg
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
> > >> [2]
> > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
> > >>
> > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > >> Von: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
> > >> Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2015 11:32
> > >> An: users
> > >> Betreff: Re: Project name
> > >>
> > >> Hi Andrew,
> > >>
> > >> Welcome to this mailing list!
> > >>
> > >> We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided then
> to
> > >> leave the project name as it is. But if there are new circumstances we
> > >> might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always refer to
> the
> > >> project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a trend of
> > >> abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't know the
> > situation
> > >> well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does not
> > hinder
> > >> our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either. I'm
> > >> still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited
> > resources
> > >> in making our framework better.
> > >>
> > >> FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part of the
> > >> river Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
> > >>
> > >> Jeroen
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
> > >> [2]
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
> > >> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
> > >>
> > >> On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project
> > >>> name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for
> > >>> apache isis usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results, and
> I
> > >>> would expect that might just increase over time. It also might
> trigger
> > >>> email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for
> some.
> > >>> I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the
> > >>> word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
> > >>>
> > >>> I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could
> > >>> cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> > >> Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE
> > >> 812773878.
> > >> Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Reiner Heiken (Vors.),
> > Dirk
> > >> Blesius, Martin Brinkmann, Matthias Heimbach, Jan-Hendrik
> Köstergarten,
> > >> Nicholas Minde, Lars Wedel, Jens Wollesen.
> > >> Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
> > >> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
> > >> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> > >> Geschäftsleitung Region Westeuropa: Yngve Ruud (Vors.), Richard Huhn,
> > >> Diederick de Vroet, Björn Johansson, Jan Kunze, Bruno Mang, Stefan
> Paul,
> > >> Holger Ketz, Dominic Edmonds.
> > >>
> > >> Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
> > >> Spediteursbedingungen (ADSp), jeweils neuester Fassung. Wir verweisen
> > >> insbesondere auf die vom Gesetz abweichenden Haftungsbeschränkungen
> von
> > >> Ziffer 23 und 24 ADSp. Den vollständigen Text der ADSp übersenden wir
> > Ihnen
> > >> gerne auf Anfrage und können Sie auch unter
> http://www.kuehne-nagel.com
> > >> einsehen. Ergänzend wird vereinbart, dass (1) Ziffer 27 ADSp im Rahmen
> > >> internationaler Übereinkommen weder unsere Haftung noch die Zurechnung
> > des
> > >> Verschuldens von Leuten und sonstigen Dritten zu Gunsten des
> > Auftraggebers
> > >> erweitert, und (2) wir in den im deutschen Seehandelsrecht
> aufgeführten
> > >> Fällen des nautischen Verschuldens oder Feuer an Bord nur für eigenes
> > >> Verschulden und (3) im Sinne der CMNI genannten Voraussetzungen nicht
> > für
> > >> nautisches Verschulden, Feuer an Bord oder Mängel des Schiffes haften.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---
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> > >>
> >
> >
>
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RE: Project name
Posted by Cesar Lugo <ce...@sisorg.com.mx>.
Me too. Like you said, you were here first. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 8:12 AM
To: users
Subject: Re: Project name
UK's Prime Minister is on our side ;-)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3343325/Cameron-decides-start-referring-ISIS-Daesh-term-disliked-leaders-sounds-like-word-crush-Arabic.html
On 23 November 2015 at 23:46, Stephen Cameron <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Suspect lots of rivers of same name around the world, there is one in
> Tasmania
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Stephen Cameron <
> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Happy to consider change to 'Apache River Isis' I like that better.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Mike Burton
> > <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >> my 2c: Its not worth changing our name, some of my reasons:
> >> 1. The considerable effort could be better used elsewhere 2. Many
> >> entities names coincide with “undesirable" ones (some might even
> >> object to Apache helicopters) 3. ISIS name might change, actually
> >> it is starting to, as others have mentioned, if they changed it to
> >> our new name should we change again??
> >> 4. *** them, we were here first
> >>
> >> Mike Burton
> >> mikeb@mycosystems.co.uk
> >>
> >> > On 23 Nov 2015, at 16:19, Dain Gosbee <da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi guys,
> >> >
> >> > I just wanted to chime in here. Personally, I would also
> >> > advocate
> >> changing
> >> > the name. I would also be happy to take part in suggesting name
> >> changes.
> >> >
> >> > Just wanted to add my two cents.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> > Dain Gosbee
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Cesar Lugo
> >> > <cesar.lugo@sisorg.com.mx
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi, just another user here. I ran into the same issues,
> >> >> searching for Apache ISIS gives similar results because the
> >> >> Apache helicopters
> agains
> >> >> Isis. Looking for Apache ISIS framework works much better for
> >> >> me. I
> >> hope
> >> >> that helps.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cesar.
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-PS [mailto:
> >> >> Joerg.Rade@Kuehne-Nagel.com]
> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:23 AM
> >> >> To: users@isis.apache.org
> >> >> Subject: AW: Project name
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> in German media IS now is used instead of ISIS when referring to [2].
> >> >> I thought Apache Isis was named after the Egyptian goodness [1].
> >> >>
> >> >> BTW: When I searched for 'Naked Objects' I saw a filter message
> >> >> as
> >> well ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Jörg
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
> >> >> [2]
> >> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Lev
> >> ant
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> >> Von: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
> >> >> Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2015 11:32
> >> >> An: users
> >> >> Betreff: Re: Project name
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Andrew,
> >> >>
> >> >> Welcome to this mailing list!
> >> >>
> >> >> We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided
> >> >> then
> to
> >> >> leave the project name as it is. But if there are new
> >> >> circumstances
> we
> >> >> might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always
> >> >> refer to
> >> the
> >> >> project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a
> >> >> trend of abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't
> >> >> know the
> >> situation
> >> >> well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does
> >> >> not
> >> hinder
> >> >> our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either.
> I'm
> >> >> still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited
> >> resources
> >> >> in making our framework better.
> >> >>
> >> >> FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part
> >> >> of the river Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeroen
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
> >> >> [2]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-c
> all-daesh-instead
> >> >> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
> >> >>
> >> >> On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard
> >> >> <an...@melbpc.org.au>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the
> >> >>> project name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because
> >> >>> searching for apache isis usually brings up some unwanted /
> >> >>> unsavoury results,
> and I
> >> >>> would expect that might just increase over time. It also might
> trigger
> >> >>> email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in
> >> >>> for
> some.
> >> >>> I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of
> >> >>> the word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change
> >> >>> could cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> >> >> Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.:
> >> >> DE 812773878.
> >> >> Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Reiner Heiken
> >> >> (Vors.),
> >> Dirk
> >> >> Blesius, Martin Brinkmann, Matthias Heimbach, Jan-Hendrik
> Köstergarten,
> >> >> Nicholas Minde, Lars Wedel, Jens Wollesen.
> >> >> Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
> >> >> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
> >> >> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> >> >> Geschäftsleitung Region Westeuropa: Yngve Ruud (Vors.), Richard
> >> >> Huhn, Diederick de Vroet, Björn Johansson, Jan Kunze, Bruno
> >> >> Mang, Stefan
> >> Paul,
> >> >> Holger Ketz, Dominic Edmonds.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen
> >> >> Deutschen Spediteursbedingungen (ADSp), jeweils neuester
> >> >> Fassung. Wir verweisen insbesondere auf die vom Gesetz
> >> >> abweichenden Haftungsbeschränkungen
> von
> >> >> Ziffer 23 und 24 ADSp. Den vollständigen Text der ADSp
> >> >> übersenden wir
> >> Ihnen
> >> >> gerne auf Anfrage und können Sie auch unter
> >> http://www.kuehne-nagel.com
> >> >> einsehen. Ergänzend wird vereinbart, dass (1) Ziffer 27 ADSp im
> Rahmen
> >> >> internationaler Übereinkommen weder unsere Haftung noch die
> Zurechnung
> >> des
> >> >> Verschuldens von Leuten und sonstigen Dritten zu Gunsten des
> >> Auftraggebers
> >> >> erweitert, und (2) wir in den im deutschen Seehandelsrecht
> aufgeführten
> >> >> Fällen des nautischen Verschuldens oder Feuer an Bord nur für
> >> >> eigenes Verschulden und (3) im Sinne der CMNI genannten
> >> >> Voraussetzungen nicht
> >> für
> >> >> nautisches Verschulden, Feuer an Bord oder Mängel des Schiffes
> haften.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ---
> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: Project name
Posted by Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>.
UK's Prime Minister is on our side ;-)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3343325/Cameron-decides-start-referring-ISIS-Daesh-term-disliked-leaders-sounds-like-word-crush-Arabic.html
On 23 November 2015 at 23:46, Stephen Cameron <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Suspect lots of rivers of same name around the world, there is one in
> Tasmania
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Stephen Cameron <
> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Happy to consider change to 'Apache River Isis' I like that better.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >> my 2c: Its not worth changing our name, some of my reasons:
> >> 1. The considerable effort could be better used elsewhere
> >> 2. Many entities names coincide with “undesirable" ones (some might even
> >> object to Apache helicopters)
> >> 3. ISIS name might change, actually it is starting to, as others have
> >> mentioned, if they changed it to our new name should we change again??
> >> 4. *** them, we were here first
> >>
> >> Mike Burton
> >> mikeb@mycosystems.co.uk
> >>
> >> > On 23 Nov 2015, at 16:19, Dain Gosbee <da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi guys,
> >> >
> >> > I just wanted to chime in here. Personally, I would also advocate
> >> changing
> >> > the name. I would also be happy to take part in suggesting name
> >> changes.
> >> >
> >> > Just wanted to add my two cents.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> > Dain Gosbee
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Cesar Lugo <cesar.lugo@sisorg.com.mx
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi, just another user here. I ran into the same issues, searching for
> >> >> Apache ISIS gives similar results because the Apache helicopters
> agains
> >> >> Isis. Looking for Apache ISIS framework works much better for me. I
> >> hope
> >> >> that helps.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cesar.
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-PS [mailto:
> >> >> Joerg.Rade@Kuehne-Nagel.com]
> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:23 AM
> >> >> To: users@isis.apache.org
> >> >> Subject: AW: Project name
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> in German media IS now is used instead of ISIS when referring to [2].
> >> >> I thought Apache Isis was named after the Egyptian goodness [1].
> >> >>
> >> >> BTW: When I searched for 'Naked Objects' I saw a filter message as
> >> well ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Jörg
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
> >> >> [2]
> >> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> >> Von: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
> >> >> Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2015 11:32
> >> >> An: users
> >> >> Betreff: Re: Project name
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Andrew,
> >> >>
> >> >> Welcome to this mailing list!
> >> >>
> >> >> We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided then
> to
> >> >> leave the project name as it is. But if there are new circumstances
> we
> >> >> might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always refer to
> >> the
> >> >> project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a trend of
> >> >> abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't know the
> >> situation
> >> >> well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does not
> >> hinder
> >> >> our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either.
> I'm
> >> >> still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited
> >> resources
> >> >> in making our framework better.
> >> >>
> >> >> FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part of the
> >> >> river Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeroen
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
> >> >> [2]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
> >> >> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
> >> >>
> >> >> On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project
> >> >>> name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for
> >> >>> apache isis usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results,
> and I
> >> >>> would expect that might just increase over time. It also might
> trigger
> >> >>> email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for
> some.
> >> >>> I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the
> >> >>> word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could
> >> >>> cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> >> >> Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE
> >> >> 812773878.
> >> >> Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Reiner Heiken (Vors.),
> >> Dirk
> >> >> Blesius, Martin Brinkmann, Matthias Heimbach, Jan-Hendrik
> Köstergarten,
> >> >> Nicholas Minde, Lars Wedel, Jens Wollesen.
> >> >> Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
> >> >> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
> >> >> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> >> >> Geschäftsleitung Region Westeuropa: Yngve Ruud (Vors.), Richard Huhn,
> >> >> Diederick de Vroet, Björn Johansson, Jan Kunze, Bruno Mang, Stefan
> >> Paul,
> >> >> Holger Ketz, Dominic Edmonds.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
> >> >> Spediteursbedingungen (ADSp), jeweils neuester Fassung. Wir verweisen
> >> >> insbesondere auf die vom Gesetz abweichenden Haftungsbeschränkungen
> von
> >> >> Ziffer 23 und 24 ADSp. Den vollständigen Text der ADSp übersenden wir
> >> Ihnen
> >> >> gerne auf Anfrage und können Sie auch unter
> >> http://www.kuehne-nagel.com
> >> >> einsehen. Ergänzend wird vereinbart, dass (1) Ziffer 27 ADSp im
> Rahmen
> >> >> internationaler Übereinkommen weder unsere Haftung noch die
> Zurechnung
> >> des
> >> >> Verschuldens von Leuten und sonstigen Dritten zu Gunsten des
> >> Auftraggebers
> >> >> erweitert, und (2) wir in den im deutschen Seehandelsrecht
> aufgeführten
> >> >> Fällen des nautischen Verschuldens oder Feuer an Bord nur für eigenes
> >> >> Verschulden und (3) im Sinne der CMNI genannten Voraussetzungen nicht
> >> für
> >> >> nautisches Verschulden, Feuer an Bord oder Mängel des Schiffes
> haften.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ---
> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
Re: Project name
Posted by Stephen Cameron <st...@gmail.com>.
Suspect lots of rivers of same name around the world, there is one in
Tasmania
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Stephen Cameron <steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Happy to consider change to 'Apache River Isis' I like that better.
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> my 2c: Its not worth changing our name, some of my reasons:
>> 1. The considerable effort could be better used elsewhere
>> 2. Many entities names coincide with “undesirable" ones (some might even
>> object to Apache helicopters)
>> 3. ISIS name might change, actually it is starting to, as others have
>> mentioned, if they changed it to our new name should we change again??
>> 4. *** them, we were here first
>>
>> Mike Burton
>> mikeb@mycosystems.co.uk
>>
>> > On 23 Nov 2015, at 16:19, Dain Gosbee <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > I just wanted to chime in here. Personally, I would also advocate
>> changing
>> > the name. I would also be happy to take part in suggesting name
>> changes.
>> >
>> > Just wanted to add my two cents.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Dain Gosbee
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Cesar Lugo <ce...@sisorg.com.mx>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi, just another user here. I ran into the same issues, searching for
>> >> Apache ISIS gives similar results because the Apache helicopters agains
>> >> Isis. Looking for Apache ISIS framework works much better for me. I
>> hope
>> >> that helps.
>> >>
>> >> Cesar.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-PS [mailto:
>> >> Joerg.Rade@Kuehne-Nagel.com]
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:23 AM
>> >> To: users@isis.apache.org
>> >> Subject: AW: Project name
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> in German media IS now is used instead of ISIS when referring to [2].
>> >> I thought Apache Isis was named after the Egyptian goodness [1].
>> >>
>> >> BTW: When I searched for 'Naked Objects' I saw a filter message as
>> well ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Jörg
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
>> >> [2]
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
>> >>
>> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> >> Von: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
>> >> Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2015 11:32
>> >> An: users
>> >> Betreff: Re: Project name
>> >>
>> >> Hi Andrew,
>> >>
>> >> Welcome to this mailing list!
>> >>
>> >> We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided then to
>> >> leave the project name as it is. But if there are new circumstances we
>> >> might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always refer to
>> the
>> >> project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a trend of
>> >> abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't know the
>> situation
>> >> well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does not
>> hinder
>> >> our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either. I'm
>> >> still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited
>> resources
>> >> in making our framework better.
>> >>
>> >> FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part of the
>> >> river Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
>> >>
>> >> Jeroen
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
>> >> [2]
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
>> >> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
>> >>
>> >> On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project
>> >>> name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for
>> >>> apache isis usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results, and I
>> >>> would expect that might just increase over time. It also might trigger
>> >>> email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for some.
>> >>> I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the
>> >>> word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
>> >>>
>> >>> I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could
>> >>> cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
>> >> Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE
>> >> 812773878.
>> >> Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Reiner Heiken (Vors.),
>> Dirk
>> >> Blesius, Martin Brinkmann, Matthias Heimbach, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten,
>> >> Nicholas Minde, Lars Wedel, Jens Wollesen.
>> >> Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
>> >> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
>> >> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
>> >> Geschäftsleitung Region Westeuropa: Yngve Ruud (Vors.), Richard Huhn,
>> >> Diederick de Vroet, Björn Johansson, Jan Kunze, Bruno Mang, Stefan
>> Paul,
>> >> Holger Ketz, Dominic Edmonds.
>> >>
>> >> Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
>> >> Spediteursbedingungen (ADSp), jeweils neuester Fassung. Wir verweisen
>> >> insbesondere auf die vom Gesetz abweichenden Haftungsbeschränkungen von
>> >> Ziffer 23 und 24 ADSp. Den vollständigen Text der ADSp übersenden wir
>> Ihnen
>> >> gerne auf Anfrage und können Sie auch unter
>> http://www.kuehne-nagel.com
>> >> einsehen. Ergänzend wird vereinbart, dass (1) Ziffer 27 ADSp im Rahmen
>> >> internationaler Übereinkommen weder unsere Haftung noch die Zurechnung
>> des
>> >> Verschuldens von Leuten und sonstigen Dritten zu Gunsten des
>> Auftraggebers
>> >> erweitert, und (2) wir in den im deutschen Seehandelsrecht aufgeführten
>> >> Fällen des nautischen Verschuldens oder Feuer an Bord nur für eigenes
>> >> Verschulden und (3) im Sinne der CMNI genannten Voraussetzungen nicht
>> für
>> >> nautisches Verschulden, Feuer an Bord oder Mängel des Schiffes haften.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>
Re: Project name
Posted by Stephen Cameron <st...@gmail.com>.
Happy to consider change to 'Apache River Isis' I like that better.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> my 2c: Its not worth changing our name, some of my reasons:
> 1. The considerable effort could be better used elsewhere
> 2. Many entities names coincide with “undesirable" ones (some might even
> object to Apache helicopters)
> 3. ISIS name might change, actually it is starting to, as others have
> mentioned, if they changed it to our new name should we change again??
> 4. *** them, we were here first
>
> Mike Burton
> mikeb@mycosystems.co.uk
>
> > On 23 Nov 2015, at 16:19, Dain Gosbee <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I just wanted to chime in here. Personally, I would also advocate
> changing
> > the name. I would also be happy to take part in suggesting name changes.
> >
> > Just wanted to add my two cents.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> > Dain Gosbee
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Cesar Lugo <ce...@sisorg.com.mx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, just another user here. I ran into the same issues, searching for
> >> Apache ISIS gives similar results because the Apache helicopters agains
> >> Isis. Looking for Apache ISIS framework works much better for me. I hope
> >> that helps.
> >>
> >> Cesar.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-PS [mailto:
> >> Joerg.Rade@Kuehne-Nagel.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:23 AM
> >> To: users@isis.apache.org
> >> Subject: AW: Project name
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> in German media IS now is used instead of ISIS when referring to [2].
> >> I thought Apache Isis was named after the Egyptian goodness [1].
> >>
> >> BTW: When I searched for 'Naked Objects' I saw a filter message as well
> ;-)
> >>
> >> Jörg
> >>
> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
> >> [2]
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
> >>
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
> >> Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2015 11:32
> >> An: users
> >> Betreff: Re: Project name
> >>
> >> Hi Andrew,
> >>
> >> Welcome to this mailing list!
> >>
> >> We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided then to
> >> leave the project name as it is. But if there are new circumstances we
> >> might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always refer to the
> >> project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a trend of
> >> abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't know the
> situation
> >> well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does not
> hinder
> >> our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either. I'm
> >> still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited
> resources
> >> in making our framework better.
> >>
> >> FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part of the
> >> river Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
> >>
> >> Jeroen
> >>
> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
> >> [2]
> >>
> >>
> http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
> >> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
> >>
> >> On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project
> >>> name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for
> >>> apache isis usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results, and I
> >>> would expect that might just increase over time. It also might trigger
> >>> email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for some.
> >>> I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the
> >>> word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
> >>>
> >>> I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could
> >>> cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> >> Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE
> >> 812773878.
> >> Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Reiner Heiken (Vors.),
> Dirk
> >> Blesius, Martin Brinkmann, Matthias Heimbach, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten,
> >> Nicholas Minde, Lars Wedel, Jens Wollesen.
> >> Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
> >> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
> >> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> >> Geschäftsleitung Region Westeuropa: Yngve Ruud (Vors.), Richard Huhn,
> >> Diederick de Vroet, Björn Johansson, Jan Kunze, Bruno Mang, Stefan Paul,
> >> Holger Ketz, Dominic Edmonds.
> >>
> >> Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
> >> Spediteursbedingungen (ADSp), jeweils neuester Fassung. Wir verweisen
> >> insbesondere auf die vom Gesetz abweichenden Haftungsbeschränkungen von
> >> Ziffer 23 und 24 ADSp. Den vollständigen Text der ADSp übersenden wir
> Ihnen
> >> gerne auf Anfrage und können Sie auch unter http://www.kuehne-nagel.com
> >> einsehen. Ergänzend wird vereinbart, dass (1) Ziffer 27 ADSp im Rahmen
> >> internationaler Übereinkommen weder unsere Haftung noch die Zurechnung
> des
> >> Verschuldens von Leuten und sonstigen Dritten zu Gunsten des
> Auftraggebers
> >> erweitert, und (2) wir in den im deutschen Seehandelsrecht aufgeführten
> >> Fällen des nautischen Verschuldens oder Feuer an Bord nur für eigenes
> >> Verschulden und (3) im Sinne der CMNI genannten Voraussetzungen nicht
> für
> >> nautisches Verschulden, Feuer an Bord oder Mängel des Schiffes haften.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Project name
Posted by Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>.
Hi Guys,
my 2c: Its not worth changing our name, some of my reasons:
1. The considerable effort could be better used elsewhere
2. Many entities names coincide with “undesirable" ones (some might even object to Apache helicopters)
3. ISIS name might change, actually it is starting to, as others have mentioned, if they changed it to our new name should we change again??
4. *** them, we were here first
Mike Burton
mikeb@mycosystems.co.uk
> On 23 Nov 2015, at 16:19, Dain Gosbee <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I just wanted to chime in here. Personally, I would also advocate changing
> the name. I would also be happy to take part in suggesting name changes.
>
> Just wanted to add my two cents.
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Dain Gosbee
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Cesar Lugo <ce...@sisorg.com.mx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, just another user here. I ran into the same issues, searching for
>> Apache ISIS gives similar results because the Apache helicopters agains
>> Isis. Looking for Apache ISIS framework works much better for me. I hope
>> that helps.
>>
>> Cesar.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-PS [mailto:
>> Joerg.Rade@Kuehne-Nagel.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:23 AM
>> To: users@isis.apache.org
>> Subject: AW: Project name
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> in German media IS now is used instead of ISIS when referring to [2].
>> I thought Apache Isis was named after the Egyptian goodness [1].
>>
>> BTW: When I searched for 'Naked Objects' I saw a filter message as well ;-)
>>
>> Jörg
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
>> [2] https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
>> Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2015 11:32
>> An: users
>> Betreff: Re: Project name
>>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> Welcome to this mailing list!
>>
>> We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided then to
>> leave the project name as it is. But if there are new circumstances we
>> might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always refer to the
>> project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a trend of
>> abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't know the situation
>> well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does not hinder
>> our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either. I'm
>> still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited resources
>> in making our framework better.
>>
>> FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part of the
>> river Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
>>
>> Jeroen
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
>> [2]
>>
>> http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
>> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
>>
>> On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project
>>> name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for
>>> apache isis usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results, and I
>>> would expect that might just increase over time. It also might trigger
>>> email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for some.
>>> I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the
>>> word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
>>>
>>> I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could
>>> cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
>> Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE
>> 812773878.
>> Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Reiner Heiken (Vors.), Dirk
>> Blesius, Martin Brinkmann, Matthias Heimbach, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten,
>> Nicholas Minde, Lars Wedel, Jens Wollesen.
>> Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
>> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
>> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
>> Geschäftsleitung Region Westeuropa: Yngve Ruud (Vors.), Richard Huhn,
>> Diederick de Vroet, Björn Johansson, Jan Kunze, Bruno Mang, Stefan Paul,
>> Holger Ketz, Dominic Edmonds.
>>
>> Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
>> Spediteursbedingungen (ADSp), jeweils neuester Fassung. Wir verweisen
>> insbesondere auf die vom Gesetz abweichenden Haftungsbeschränkungen von
>> Ziffer 23 und 24 ADSp. Den vollständigen Text der ADSp übersenden wir Ihnen
>> gerne auf Anfrage und können Sie auch unter http://www.kuehne-nagel.com
>> einsehen. Ergänzend wird vereinbart, dass (1) Ziffer 27 ADSp im Rahmen
>> internationaler Übereinkommen weder unsere Haftung noch die Zurechnung des
>> Verschuldens von Leuten und sonstigen Dritten zu Gunsten des Auftraggebers
>> erweitert, und (2) wir in den im deutschen Seehandelsrecht aufgeführten
>> Fällen des nautischen Verschuldens oder Feuer an Bord nur für eigenes
>> Verschulden und (3) im Sinne der CMNI genannten Voraussetzungen nicht für
>> nautisches Verschulden, Feuer an Bord oder Mängel des Schiffes haften.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
>>
Re: Project name
Posted by Dain Gosbee <da...@gmail.com>.
Hi guys,
I just wanted to chime in here. Personally, I would also advocate changing
the name. I would also be happy to take part in suggesting name changes.
Just wanted to add my two cents.
--
Sincerely,
Dain Gosbee
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Cesar Lugo <ce...@sisorg.com.mx>
wrote:
> Hi, just another user here. I ran into the same issues, searching for
> Apache ISIS gives similar results because the Apache helicopters agains
> Isis. Looking for Apache ISIS framework works much better for me. I hope
> that helps.
>
> Cesar.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-PS [mailto:
> Joerg.Rade@Kuehne-Nagel.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:23 AM
> To: users@isis.apache.org
> Subject: AW: Project name
>
> Hi,
>
> in German media IS now is used instead of ISIS when referring to [2].
> I thought Apache Isis was named after the Egyptian goodness [1].
>
> BTW: When I searched for 'Naked Objects' I saw a filter message as well ;-)
>
> Jörg
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
> [2] https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
> Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2015 11:32
> An: users
> Betreff: Re: Project name
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Welcome to this mailing list!
>
> We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided then to
> leave the project name as it is. But if there are new circumstances we
> might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always refer to the
> project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a trend of
> abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't know the situation
> well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does not hinder
> our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either. I'm
> still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited resources
> in making our framework better.
>
> FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part of the
> river Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
>
> Jeroen
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
> [2]
>
> http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
>
> On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project
> > name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for
> > apache isis usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results, and I
> > would expect that might just increase over time. It also might trigger
> > email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for some.
> > I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the
> > word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
> >
> > I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could
> > cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
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AW: Project name
Posted by "Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-PS" <Jo...@Kuehne-Nagel.com>.
Hi,
in German media IS now is used instead of ISIS when referring to [2].
I thought Apache Isis was named after the Egyptian goodness [1].
BTW: When I searched for 'Naked Objects' I saw a filter message as well ;-)
Jörg
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
[2] https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jeroen van der Wal [mailto:jeroen@stromboli.it]
Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2015 11:32
An: users
Betreff: Re: Project name
Hi Andrew,
Welcome to this mailing list!
We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided then to leave the project name as it is. But if there are new circumstances we might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always refer to the project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a trend of abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't know the situation well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does not hinder our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either. I'm still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited resources in making our framework better.
FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part of the river Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
Jeroen
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
[2]
http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project
> name from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for
> apache isis usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results, and I
> would expect that might just increase over time. It also might trigger
> email spam filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for some.
> I could imagine other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the
> word isis might create some unwanted distraction or issue.
>
> I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could
> cause, but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
>
> Thanks
>
>
Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE 812773878.
Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Reiner Heiken (Vors.), Dirk Blesius, Martin Brinkmann, Matthias Heimbach, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten, Nicholas Minde, Lars Wedel, Jens Wollesen.
Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform: Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745, Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
Geschäftsleitung Region Westeuropa: Yngve Ruud (Vors.), Richard Huhn, Diederick de Vroet, Björn Johansson, Jan Kunze, Bruno Mang, Stefan Paul, Holger Ketz, Dominic Edmonds.
Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen Spediteursbedingungen (ADSp), jeweils neuester Fassung. Wir verweisen insbesondere auf die vom Gesetz abweichenden Haftungsbeschränkungen von Ziffer 23 und 24 ADSp. Den vollständigen Text der ADSp übersenden wir Ihnen gerne auf Anfrage und können Sie auch unter http://www.kuehne-nagel.com einsehen. Ergänzend wird vereinbart, dass (1) Ziffer 27 ADSp im Rahmen internationaler Übereinkommen weder unsere Haftung noch die Zurechnung des Verschuldens von Leuten und sonstigen Dritten zu Gunsten des Auftraggebers erweitert, und (2) wir in den im deutschen Seehandelsrecht aufgeführten Fällen des nautischen Verschuldens oder Feuer an Bord nur für eigenes Verschulden und (3) im Sinne der CMNI genannten Voraussetzungen nicht für nautisches Verschulden, Feuer an Bord oder Mängel des Schiffes haften.
Re: Project name
Posted by Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>.
Hi Andrew,
Welcome to this mailing list!
We've had a similar discussion about a year ago [1] and decided then to
leave the project name as it is. But if there are new circumstances we
might need to reconsider. As you may have noticed we always refer to the
project as "Apache Isis", not "ISIS". In Dutch media I see a trend of
abandoning ISIS in favour of IS and Daesh [2] but don't know the situation
well in foreign media. Personally I think the current name does not hinder
our growth and changing the name would not speed up things either. I'm
still biased to leave things as they are and devote our limited resources
in making our framework better.
FYI: the project has been named after the river Isis, the part of the river
Thames that flows through Oxford [3].
Jeroen
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-982
[2]
http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis
On 23 November 2015 at 06:55, Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have there been any suggestions or thoughts of changing the project name
> from isis to something else ? I only ask, because searching for apache isis
> usually brings up some unwanted / unsavoury results, and I would expect
> that might just increase over time. It also might trigger email spam
> filtering, company firewall rules, etc to kick in for some. I could imagine
> other contexts in which the mere occurrence of the word isis might create
> some unwanted distraction or issue.
>
> I can appreciate how much upheaval that such a name change could cause,
> but nonetheless thought it worth asking about.
>
> Thanks
>
>