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pmc?
Hi,
Is this where I'd find the DB project PMC?
I have a couple of quick questions but don't want to spam the wrong
list.
Thanks!
Bill Dudney
MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
Re: pmc?
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Brian,
Thanks for the support!
What are the next steps? Should we submit a proposal to this PMC and
then have you guys push it up to incubator?
I agree that the Tapestry folks would provide a great bit of synergy.
Do you think they would be another PMC to draw mentors from? I'll
ping them too.
Thanks again,
Bill Dudney
MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> Cayenne might be better suited for TLP status, which I suggest
> considering as the DB project is starting to balloon =)
>
> That said, I am very willing to support Cayenne personally, and
> suspect the rest of the DB PMC might be supportive as well. It
> would fit well in the DB project conceptually (which historically
> is more about database access than databases). I just am trying to
> go with the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has
> been around a while I don't want to cramp their style.
>
> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and
> the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne,
> and would love to see this work out! It may be worth pinging the
> Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a lot of Cayenne use within
> the Tapestry community, and they are an energetic bunch.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
>> Why do they want to come to Apache?
>>
>> Bill Dudney wrote:
>>> Thanks Thomas,
>>> Would the DB PMC be willing to sponsor moving Cayenne (http://
>>> www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/) to Apache?
>>> I have been following the cayenne community for some time and
>>> they seem to do things the 'apache way'. They use the apache
>>> license already so the IP part of it should be straightforward.
>>> I've also been chatting with the lead/founder of the project
>>> about a move. The community is interested as well. I am asking
>>> because the community is not well connected to apache and they
>>> were not sure who in the community to get in contact with.
>>> If there is anything I can do to help please let me know. I'd be
>>> glad to get the Cayenne community involved in the discussion if
>>> there is interest from this PMC.
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Bill Dudney
>>> MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
>>> Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
>>> On Feb 19, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Thomas Mahler wrote:
>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I think using this account to reach the pmc is OK.
>>>> So what do you want to know?
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>> Bill Dudney wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Is this where I'd find the DB project PMC?
>>>>> I have a couple of quick questions but don't want to spam the
>>>>> wrong list.
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Bill Dudney
>>>>> MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
>>>>> Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
>
Re: pmc?
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
My apologies for not paying attention...
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Geir,
>
> My answer is in the bottom of the message that you quote. I am stripping
> the rest of the message for clarity.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
>> I asked earlier but didn't get an answer, I don't think.
>>
>> Why would you like to come to the ASF?
>>
>> geir
>>
>>
>> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>> On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>>>>> Why do they want to come to Apache?
>>> Answering Geir's question... I elaborated a bit on that in the
>>> message to tapestry-dev above. Let me expand.
>>> Cayenne has a five year history of providing strong and unique
>>> persistence framework. During this time we've built a vibrant
>>> grassroots community with zero corporate sponsorship. And while
>>> things look good for Cayenne now and can stay the way they are for
>>> any foreseeable future, we are always looking for ways to expand the
>>> community and to bring our ideas to a wider audience.
>>> So why Apache? It just seems natural. Back in the day when we set up
>>> ObjectStyle.org, we looked at Apache as an example of how an open
>>> source collaborative environment should work. And we succeeded in
>>> building one, on a smaller scale. Now making Cayenne an ASF project
>>> is a logical next step. And note that we are taking our current
>>> community with us, not just throwing the code over the wall.
>>> Also we are willing to collaborate with other projects if there is a
>>> natural synergy. For instance we recently announced that Cayenne will
>>> be implementing JPA (ORM part of JSR-220). So we are closely watching
>>> the related activities in Geronimo. I already contributed a number of
>>> JPA-related things to Open EJB and at the end the plan is to
>>> contribute Cayenne JPA provider to Geronimo. I am sure other
>>> synergies will become more obvious once we are in.
>>> Andrus
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Andrei (aka Andrus) Adamchik
>>> Cayenne Persistence Framework
>>> Lead Architect
>>> http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
>>
>
>
Re: pmc?
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Geir,
My answer is in the bottom of the message that you quote. I am
stripping the rest of the message for clarity.
Andrus
On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> I asked earlier but didn't get an answer, I don't think.
>
> Why would you like to come to the ASF?
>
> geir
>
>
> Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>>>> Why do they want to come to Apache?
>> Answering Geir's question... I elaborated a bit on that in the
>> message to tapestry-dev above. Let me expand.
>> Cayenne has a five year history of providing strong and unique
>> persistence framework. During this time we've built a vibrant
>> grassroots community with zero corporate sponsorship. And while
>> things look good for Cayenne now and can stay the way they are for
>> any foreseeable future, we are always looking for ways to expand
>> the community and to bring our ideas to a wider audience.
>> So why Apache? It just seems natural. Back in the day when we set
>> up ObjectStyle.org, we looked at Apache as an example of how an
>> open source collaborative environment should work. And we
>> succeeded in building one, on a smaller scale. Now making Cayenne
>> an ASF project is a logical next step. And note that we are taking
>> our current community with us, not just throwing the code over the
>> wall.
>> Also we are willing to collaborate with other projects if there is
>> a natural synergy. For instance we recently announced that Cayenne
>> will be implementing JPA (ORM part of JSR-220). So we are closely
>> watching the related activities in Geronimo. I already contributed
>> a number of JPA-related things to Open EJB and at the end the plan
>> is to contribute Cayenne JPA provider to Geronimo. I am sure other
>> synergies will become more obvious once we are in.
>> Andrus
>> ------------------------------
>> Andrei (aka Andrus) Adamchik
>> Cayenne Persistence Framework
>> Lead Architect
>> http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
>
Re: pmc?
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
I asked earlier but didn't get an answer, I don't think.
Why would you like to come to the ASF?
geir
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and the
>> actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne, and
>> would love to see this work out! I just am trying to go with the TLP
>> preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has been around a while
>> I don't want to cramp their style.
>
> Brian,
>
> thank you for your support! Actually TLP would be our choice as well,
> and exactly for the reason that you mentioned. As Bill said we are not
> well-connected with ASF, so we started looking for support in the
> communities where we see synergies. And I am glad that we found it :-)
>
> So how do we proceed now? Should we take the discussion on one of the
> incubator lists?
>
>
>> It may be worth pinging the Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a
>> lot of Cayenne use within the Tapestry community, and they are an
>> energetic bunch.
>
> Good idea. Just sent a message to tapestry-dev:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/tapestry-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg04867.html
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>>> Why do they want to come to Apache?
>
> Answering Geir's question... I elaborated a bit on that in the message
> to tapestry-dev above. Let me expand.
>
> Cayenne has a five year history of providing strong and unique
> persistence framework. During this time we've built a vibrant grassroots
> community with zero corporate sponsorship. And while things look good
> for Cayenne now and can stay the way they are for any foreseeable
> future, we are always looking for ways to expand the community and to
> bring our ideas to a wider audience.
>
> So why Apache? It just seems natural. Back in the day when we set up
> ObjectStyle.org, we looked at Apache as an example of how an open source
> collaborative environment should work. And we succeeded in building one,
> on a smaller scale. Now making Cayenne an ASF project is a logical next
> step. And note that we are taking our current community with us, not
> just throwing the code over the wall.
>
> Also we are willing to collaborate with other projects if there is a
> natural synergy. For instance we recently announced that Cayenne will be
> implementing JPA (ORM part of JSR-220). So we are closely watching the
> related activities in Geronimo. I already contributed a number of
> JPA-related things to Open EJB and at the end the plan is to contribute
> Cayenne JPA provider to Geronimo. I am sure other synergies will become
> more obvious once we are in.
>
>
> Andrus
>
> ------------------------------
> Andrei (aka Andrus) Adamchik
> Cayenne Persistence Framework
> Lead Architect
> http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
>
>
>
Re: pmc?
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 15:57 -0500, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> > So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and
> > the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne,
> > and would love to see this work out! I just am trying to go with
> > the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has been
> > around a while I don't want to cramp their style
+1
> thank you for your support! Actually TLP would be our choice as well,
> and exactly for the reason that you mentioned. As Bill said we are
> not well-connected with ASF, so we started looking for support in the
> communities where we see synergies. And I am glad that we found it :-)
might still be a good idea to be sponsored by the db project but with
the aim to graduate as a TLP (rather than a sub-project).
> So how do we proceed now? Should we take the discussion on one of the
> incubator lists?
things sometimes get a little heated over on the incubator general list
and some of the process is still being talked out so it might be best to
do a little preparation first. IMHO subscribing first and posting later
(after acclimatization) is probably a good idea.
a proposal describing cayenne and it's aims is needed and is probably
best written up first. might seem like a paper exercise but this is
actually a good chance for the community to take a chance to step back
and think about where the project's going and what it's long term aims
are. there's likely to be a measure of criticism once the proposal is
posted but this should be taken positively - it's aim is to improve the
proposal.
it's also worth reading what information is available on the apache
(http://www.apache.org) and incubator (http://incubator.apache.org)
sites. some of legal formalities required by the ASF might need to a
little discussion amongst the cayenne community.
but don't be afraid of asking any questions on the incubator list: the
folks on the list will be able to give better answers than me...
- robert
Re: pmc?
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and
> the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne,
> and would love to see this work out! I just am trying to go with
> the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has been
> around a while I don't want to cramp their style.
Brian,
thank you for your support! Actually TLP would be our choice as well,
and exactly for the reason that you mentioned. As Bill said we are
not well-connected with ASF, so we started looking for support in the
communities where we see synergies. And I am glad that we found it :-)
So how do we proceed now? Should we take the discussion on one of the
incubator lists?
> It may be worth pinging the Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a
> lot of Cayenne use within the Tapestry community, and they are an
> energetic bunch.
Good idea. Just sent a message to tapestry-dev:
http://www.mail-archive.com/tapestry-dev@jakarta.apache.org/
msg04867.html
On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>> Why do they want to come to Apache?
Answering Geir's question... I elaborated a bit on that in the
message to tapestry-dev above. Let me expand.
Cayenne has a five year history of providing strong and unique
persistence framework. During this time we've built a vibrant
grassroots community with zero corporate sponsorship. And while
things look good for Cayenne now and can stay the way they are for
any foreseeable future, we are always looking for ways to expand the
community and to bring our ideas to a wider audience.
So why Apache? It just seems natural. Back in the day when we set up
ObjectStyle.org, we looked at Apache as an example of how an open
source collaborative environment should work. And we succeeded in
building one, on a smaller scale. Now making Cayenne an ASF project
is a logical next step. And note that we are taking our current
community with us, not just throwing the code over the wall.
Also we are willing to collaborate with other projects if there is a
natural synergy. For instance we recently announced that Cayenne will
be implementing JPA (ORM part of JSR-220). So we are closely watching
the related activities in Geronimo. I already contributed a number of
JPA-related things to Open EJB and at the end the plan is to
contribute Cayenne JPA provider to Geronimo. I am sure other
synergies will become more obvious once we are in.
Andrus
------------------------------
Andrei (aka Andrus) Adamchik
Cayenne Persistence Framework
Lead Architect
http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
Re: Looking for mentors to help with Cayenne move to ASF
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
This is all too familiar situation. I certainly can relate. But
thanks for the moral support. If other folks from Tapestry PMC have
bandwidth/desire to sponsor Cayenne incubation, please speak up.
Andrus
On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> I think it is an excellent idea. In a perfect universe, I'd charge in
> and do what I could. Alas, I've been over my head with work and
> projects and can barely think straight these days!
>
> I can say the most important thing early on is to work as a
> meritocracy. It was a real state change for Tapestry a few years back.
>
> On 2/20/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> First congratulations with the new Tapestry TLP status!
>>
>> We at Cayenne project are looking to join the ASF, with the goal of
>> becoming a TLP as well. The motivation is to build a wider user and
>> developer community and grow new synergies with other Apache
>> projects. There are a lot of new and exciting things going on in
>> Cayenne. JPA implementation and remote object persistence, just to
>> name a few:
>>
>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/JPA+RoadMap
>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/Remote+Object
>> +Persistence
>>
>> and we think the move to Apache will only speed things up.
>>
>> Now we are looking for allies, and more specifically 'mentors' within
>> Apache. Note that Brian McCallister just volunteered to help in this
>> role:
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/general@db.apache.org/msg00247.html
>>
>> But the more people who support our cause within the ASF, the better.
>> Historically we've been pretty close with Tapestry and there is a
>> very substantial user base overlap, so asking Tapestry community to
>> help with Cayenne incubation just seems natural :-)
>>
>>
>> Andrus Adamchik
>> ------------------------------------
>> Cayenne Object Persistence Framework
>> http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
>>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
> Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>
> Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
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Re: Looking for mentors to help with Cayenne move to ASF
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
I think it is an excellent idea. In a perfect universe, I'd charge in
and do what I could. Alas, I've been over my head with work and
projects and can barely think straight these days!
I can say the most important thing early on is to work as a
meritocracy. It was a real state change for Tapestry a few years back.
On 2/20/06, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> First congratulations with the new Tapestry TLP status!
>
> We at Cayenne project are looking to join the ASF, with the goal of
> becoming a TLP as well. The motivation is to build a wider user and
> developer community and grow new synergies with other Apache
> projects. There are a lot of new and exciting things going on in
> Cayenne. JPA implementation and remote object persistence, just to
> name a few:
>
> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/JPA+RoadMap
> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/Remote+Object+Persistence
>
> and we think the move to Apache will only speed things up.
>
> Now we are looking for allies, and more specifically 'mentors' within
> Apache. Note that Brian McCallister just volunteered to help in this
> role:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/general@db.apache.org/msg00247.html
>
> But the more people who support our cause within the ASF, the better.
> Historically we've been pretty close with Tapestry and there is a
> very substantial user base overlap, so asking Tapestry community to
> help with Cayenne incubation just seems natural :-)
>
>
> Andrus Adamchik
> ------------------------------------
> Cayenne Object Persistence Framework
> http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
>
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>
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Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
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Looking for mentors to help with Cayenne move to ASF
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Hi folks,
First congratulations with the new Tapestry TLP status!
We at Cayenne project are looking to join the ASF, with the goal of
becoming a TLP as well. The motivation is to build a wider user and
developer community and grow new synergies with other Apache
projects. There are a lot of new and exciting things going on in
Cayenne. JPA implementation and remote object persistence, just to
name a few:
http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/JPA+RoadMap
http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/Remote+Object+Persistence
and we think the move to Apache will only speed things up.
Now we are looking for allies, and more specifically 'mentors' within
Apache. Note that Brian McCallister just volunteered to help in this
role:
http://www.mail-archive.com/general@db.apache.org/msg00247.html
But the more people who support our cause within the ASF, the better.
Historically we've been pretty close with Tapestry and there is a
very substantial user base overlap, so asking Tapestry community to
help with Cayenne incubation just seems natural :-)
Andrus Adamchik
------------------------------------
Cayenne Object Persistence Framework
http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
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Re: Cayenne ASF proposal
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Feb 25, 2006, at 8:26 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> Having the DB PMC sponsor the proposal basically means the DB PMC
> is taking responsibility and it will become a part of the DB
> Project -- which I don't think is quite what you want.
Yes, we want to go TLP. I am just hearing/reading conflicting
information about who can sponsor what. So whose help do we need to
enlist?
> We may also want to take this discussion to general@incubator --
> which gets a bit more traffic and probably where people can offer
> more advice!
Probably a good idea. I sent a note here since I was under the
impression that DB PMC can be a sponsor of a TLP.
Andrus
Re: Cayenne ASF proposal
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Brian,
I'm happy to mentor. I'm not a member of ASF (I'm a committer/PMC on
MyFaces) and I thought you had to be an ASF member to mentor. If I'm
allowed as a mentor I'd be glad to help out!
Do you want me to post to the general@incubator list? Or should it
come from you?
Can you sponsor directly? Or maybe the correct question is, who
should we list as our sponsor? I think we'd (the cayenne community)
would be glad to go into DB to start if that is the best fit for now.
We are open to where ever the best fit is. The TLP request is because
cayenne is headed to be much more than your fathers OR mapping
framework :-)
I added myself as a mentor and removed the DB PMC sponsorship
language on the proposal page.
Thanks again!
Bill Dudney
MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> Having the DB PMC sponsor the proposal basically means the DB PMC
> is taking responsibility and it will become a part of the DB
> Project -- which I don't think is quite what you want. I'm more
> than happy to mentor, personally, but that is me speaking, not the
> DB PMC. The ways of the incubator are more or less in slow flux as
> we figure out how best to make it work.
>
> If you want the DB PMC to sponsor the project I can bring a
> proposal to the PMC, but I am not sure what it means to have the DB
> PMC sponsor it and have the project intended to become a top level
> project.
>
> Looking at the proposal, I would suggest a couple small changes:
>
> * Change the requested cayenne-pmc mailing list to cayenne-ppmc
> * Let's see if the DB PMC is willing to sponsor (I am just the
> chair) before we make that part of the proposal =)
>
>
> Bill, are you willing to help mentor? I ask as you initially
> contacted us here =)
>
> We may also want to take this discussion to general@incubator --
> which gets a bit more traffic and probably where people can offer
> more advice!
>
> -Brian
>
> On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
>> Brian, et all.
>>
>> We put a proposal draft on Cayenne Wiki:
>>
>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/ASF+Proposal
>>
>> As we are requesting DB PMC to sponsor it, I am posting it on this
>> list before we send it to the incubator. I guess someone from DB
>> PMC would have to initiate the incubator request. Please comment.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>>> Cayenne might be better suited for TLP status, which I suggest
>>> considering as the DB project is starting to balloon =)
>>>
>>> That said, I am very willing to support Cayenne personally, and
>>> suspect the rest of the DB PMC might be supportive as well. It
>>> would fit well in the DB project conceptually (which historically
>>> is more about database access than databases). I just am trying
>>> to go with the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne
>>> has been around a while I don't want to cramp their style.
>>>
>>> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role
>>> and the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache)
>>> Cayenne, and would love to see this work out! It may be worth
>>> pinging the Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a lot of
>>> Cayenne use within the Tapestry community, and they are an
>>> energetic bunch.
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>
>
Re: Cayenne ASF proposal
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
Having the DB PMC sponsor the proposal basically means the DB PMC is
taking responsibility and it will become a part of the DB Project --
which I don't think is quite what you want. I'm more than happy to
mentor, personally, but that is me speaking, not the DB PMC. The ways
of the incubator are more or less in slow flux as we figure out how
best to make it work.
If you want the DB PMC to sponsor the project I can bring a proposal
to the PMC, but I am not sure what it means to have the DB PMC
sponsor it and have the project intended to become a top level project.
Looking at the proposal, I would suggest a couple small changes:
* Change the requested cayenne-pmc mailing list to cayenne-ppmc
* Let's see if the DB PMC is willing to sponsor (I am just the chair)
before we make that part of the proposal =)
Bill, are you willing to help mentor? I ask as you initially
contacted us here =)
We may also want to take this discussion to general@incubator --
which gets a bit more traffic and probably where people can offer
more advice!
-Brian
On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Brian, et all.
>
> We put a proposal draft on Cayenne Wiki:
>
> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/ASF+Proposal
>
> As we are requesting DB PMC to sponsor it, I am posting it on this
> list before we send it to the incubator. I guess someone from DB
> PMC would have to initiate the incubator request. Please comment.
>
> Thanks
> Andrus
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>> Cayenne might be better suited for TLP status, which I suggest
>> considering as the DB project is starting to balloon =)
>>
>> That said, I am very willing to support Cayenne personally, and
>> suspect the rest of the DB PMC might be supportive as well. It
>> would fit well in the DB project conceptually (which historically
>> is more about database access than databases). I just am trying to
>> go with the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has
>> been around a while I don't want to cramp their style.
>>
>> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and
>> the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne,
>> and would love to see this work out! It may be worth pinging the
>> Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a lot of Cayenne use within
>> the Tapestry community, and they are an energetic bunch.
>>
>> -Brian
>
Cayenne ASF proposal
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Brian, et all.
We put a proposal draft on Cayenne Wiki:
http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/ASF+Proposal
As we are requesting DB PMC to sponsor it, I am posting it on this
list before we send it to the incubator. I guess someone from DB PMC
would have to initiate the incubator request. Please comment.
Thanks
Andrus
On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> Cayenne might be better suited for TLP status, which I suggest
> considering as the DB project is starting to balloon =)
>
> That said, I am very willing to support Cayenne personally, and
> suspect the rest of the DB PMC might be supportive as well. It
> would fit well in the DB project conceptually (which historically
> is more about database access than databases). I just am trying to
> go with the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has
> been around a while I don't want to cramp their style.
>
> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and
> the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne,
> and would love to see this work out! It may be worth pinging the
> Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a lot of Cayenne use within
> the Tapestry community, and they are an energetic bunch.
>
> -Brian
Re: pmc?
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
Cayenne might be better suited for TLP status, which I suggest
considering as the DB project is starting to balloon =)
That said, I am very willing to support Cayenne personally, and
suspect the rest of the DB PMC might be supportive as well. It would
fit well in the DB project conceptually (which historically is more
about database access than databases). I just am trying to go with
the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has been
around a while I don't want to cramp their style.
So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and
the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne, and
would love to see this work out! It may be worth pinging the Tapestry
folks as well as I have seen a lot of Cayenne use within the Tapestry
community, and they are an energetic bunch.
-Brian
On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Why do they want to come to Apache?
>
> Bill Dudney wrote:
>> Thanks Thomas,
>> Would the DB PMC be willing to sponsor moving Cayenne (http://
>> www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/) to Apache?
>> I have been following the cayenne community for some time and they
>> seem to do things the 'apache way'. They use the apache license
>> already so the IP part of it should be straightforward. I've also
>> been chatting with the lead/founder of the project about a move.
>> The community is interested as well. I am asking because the
>> community is not well connected to apache and they were not sure
>> who in the community to get in contact with.
>> If there is anything I can do to help please let me know. I'd be
>> glad to get the Cayenne community involved in the discussion if
>> there is interest from this PMC.
>> Thanks again,
>> Bill Dudney
>> MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
>> Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
>> On Feb 19, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Thomas Mahler wrote:
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I think using this account to reach the pmc is OK.
>>> So what do you want to know?
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> Bill Dudney wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Is this where I'd find the DB project PMC?
>>>> I have a couple of quick questions but don't want to spam the
>>>> wrong list.
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Bill Dudney
>>>> MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
>>>> Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
Re: pmc?
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Why do they want to come to Apache?
Bill Dudney wrote:
> Thanks Thomas,
>
> Would the DB PMC be willing to sponsor moving Cayenne
> (http://www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/) to Apache?
>
> I have been following the cayenne community for some time and they seem
> to do things the 'apache way'. They use the apache license already so
> the IP part of it should be straightforward. I've also been chatting
> with the lead/founder of the project about a move. The community is
> interested as well. I am asking because the community is not well
> connected to apache and they were not sure who in the community to get
> in contact with.
>
> If there is anything I can do to help please let me know. I'd be glad to
> get the Cayenne community involved in the discussion if there is
> interest from this PMC.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Bill Dudney
> MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
> Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
>
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Thomas Mahler wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I think using this account to reach the pmc is OK.
>> So what do you want to know?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> Bill Dudney wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Is this where I'd find the DB project PMC?
>>> I have a couple of quick questions but don't want to spam the wrong
>>> list.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Bill Dudney
>>> MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
>>> Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
>
>
Re: pmc?
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org>.
Thanks Thomas,
Would the DB PMC be willing to sponsor moving Cayenne (http://
www.objectstyle.org/cayenne/) to Apache?
I have been following the cayenne community for some time and they
seem to do things the 'apache way'. They use the apache license
already so the IP part of it should be straightforward. I've also
been chatting with the lead/founder of the project about a move. The
community is interested as well. I am asking because the community is
not well connected to apache and they were not sure who in the
community to get in contact with.
If there is anything I can do to help please let me know. I'd be glad
to get the Cayenne community involved in the discussion if there is
interest from this PMC.
Thanks again,
Bill Dudney
MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi
On Feb 19, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Thomas Mahler wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> I think using this account to reach the pmc is OK.
> So what do you want to know?
>
> Thomas
>
> Bill Dudney wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is this where I'd find the DB project PMC?
>> I have a couple of quick questions but don't want to spam the
>> wrong list.
>> Thanks!
>> Bill Dudney
>> MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
>> Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi