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Posted to commits@subversion.apache.org by gs...@apache.org on 2010/06/25 01:40:44 UTC
svn commit: r957751 - /subversion/site/publish/packages.html
Author: gstein
Date: Thu Jun 24 23:40:44 2010
New Revision: 957751
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=957751&view=rev
Log:
The Subversion community does not "certify" any binaries. These particular
binaries have professional support behind them, but they are not "certified"
* /site/publish/packages.html:
(...): adjust some terminology
Modified:
subversion/site/publish/packages.html
Modified: subversion/site/publish/packages.html
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/publish/packages.html?rev=957751&r1=957750&r2=957751&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- subversion/site/publish/packages.html (original)
+++ subversion/site/publish/packages.html Thu Jun 24 23:40:44 2010
@@ -89,7 +89,7 @@
<pre>$ apt-get install subversion</pre>
</li>
<li><p><a href="http://www.wandisco.com/subversion/os/downloads?type=debian5">
- WANdisco</a> (certified binaries; maintained by
+ WANdisco</a> (professionally supported by
<a href="http://www.wandisco.com/"
>WANdisco</a>)</p>
</li>
@@ -235,7 +235,7 @@ $ make install clean</pre>
<ul>
<li><p><a href="http://www.collab.net/downloads/subversion/redhat.html">
- CollabNet</a> (certified binaries; maintained by
+ CollabNet</a> (professionally supported by
<a href="http://www.collab.net/subversion"
>CollabNet</a>)</p>
</li>
@@ -244,7 +244,7 @@ $ make install clean</pre>
<a href="mailto:david@summersoft.fay.ar.us">David Summers</a>)</p>
</li>
<li><p><a href="http://www.wandisco.com/subversion/os/downloads?type=rhel5">
- WANdisco</a> (certified binaries; maintained by
+ WANdisco</a> (professionally supported by
<a href="http://www.wandisco.com/"
>WANdisco</a>)</p>
</li>
@@ -263,7 +263,7 @@ $ make install clean</pre>
<ul>
<li><p><a href="http://www.collab.net/downloads/subversion/solaris.html"
- >CollabNet</a> (certified binaries, SPARC/x86; maintained by
+ >CollabNet</a> (SPARC/x86; professionally supported by
<a href="http://www.collab.net/subversion"
>CollabNet</a>)</p>
</li>
@@ -315,7 +315,7 @@ $ make install clean</pre>
<pre>$ apt-get install subversion</pre>
</li>
<li><p><a href="http://www.wandisco.com/subversion/os/downloads?type=ubuntu910">
- WANdisco</a> (certified binaries; maintained by
+ WANdisco</a> (professionally supported by
<a href="http://www.wandisco.com/"
>WANdisco</a>)</p>
</li>
@@ -334,7 +334,7 @@ $ make install clean</pre>
<ul>
<li><p><a href="http://www.collab.net/downloads/subversion/"
- >CollabNet</a> (certified binaries; maintained by
+ >CollabNet</a> (professionally supported by
<a href="http://www.collab.net/subversion"
>CollabNet</a>)</p>
</li>
@@ -369,7 +369,7 @@ $ make install clean</pre>
>VisualSVN</a>)</p>
</li>
<li><p><a href="http://www.wandisco.com/subversion/os/downloads">
- WANdisco</a> (certified binaries; maintained by
+ WANdisco</a> (professionally supported by
<a href="http://www.wandisco.com/"
>WANdisco</a>)</p>
</li>
Re: svn commit: r957751 - /subversion/site/publish/packages.html
Posted by "C. Michael Pilato" <cm...@collab.net>.
Greg Stein wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 14:31, Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The distinction we make internally at CollabNet over when we use the
>> term certified on our binaries is the process they go through before
>> posting.
>>
>> ...explanation...
>
> Thanks for that explanation. It helps below:
>
>> ...
>> I was fine with your wording change, and I am also fine with Julian's
>> corrections. If you think his changes are confusing I have no
>> objection to removing those changes. FWIW, I do think Julian's
>> wording makes it plainly clear that the certification is coming from
>> the company and not the Subversion project.
>
> I do think his wording is better than before my changes, but as I
> mentioned: any use of the word "certify" implies some kind of
> authority. Thus, the use implies somebody is reviewing and approving
> the process of creating those binaries.
Is "qualified" a more appropriate word for this purpose?
--
C. Michael Pilato <cm...@collab.net>
CollabNet <> www.collab.net <> Distributed Development On Demand
Re: svn commit: r957751 - /subversion/site/publish/packages.html
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 14:31, Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The distinction we make internally at CollabNet over when we use the
> term certified on our binaries is the process they go through before
> posting.
>
>...explanation...
Thanks for that explanation. It helps below:
>...
> I was fine with your wording change, and I am also fine with Julian's
> corrections. If you think his changes are confusing I have no
> objection to removing those changes. FWIW, I do think Julian's
> wording makes it plainly clear that the certification is coming from
> the company and not the Subversion project.
I do think his wording is better than before my changes, but as I
mentioned: any use of the word "certify" implies some kind of
authority. Thus, the use implies somebody is reviewing and approving
the process of creating those binaries.
Re: svn commit: r957751 - /subversion/site/publish/packages.html
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 14:31, Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The distinction we make internally at CollabNet over when we use the
> term certified on our binaries is the process they go through before
> posting.
>
>...explanation...
Thanks for that explanation. It helps below:
>...
> I was fine with your wording change, and I am also fine with Julian's
> corrections. If you think his changes are confusing I have no
> objection to removing those changes. FWIW, I do think Julian's
> wording makes it plainly clear that the certification is coming from
> the company and not the Subversion project.
I do think his wording is better than before my changes, but as I
mentioned: any use of the word "certify" implies some kind of
authority. Thus, the use implies somebody is reviewing and approving
the process of creating those binaries.
>From your description, I can certainly understand what *you* mean by
"certified", but then it seems to lead to "who reviewed their
procedures and has certified it?" We have no ISO-9000 for building
binaries :-P
I'd be totally fine with the phrase "internally-certified", if that
works for you guys. (C. Mike can tell us whether to keep/lose that
hyphen :-P )
That phrasing makes it much more clear that the certification process
is complete internal to the supporting company. That there isn't a
higher authority (which could be read as the community).
Cheers,
-g
Re: svn commit: r957751 - /subversion/site/publish/packages.html
Posted by Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com>.
The distinction we make internally at CollabNet over when we use the
term certified on our binaries is the process they go through before
posting.
Our certified binaries go through a cross-functional release process
before they are posted. Release engineering builds the binaries does
the Subversion tests and builds the packaging. Our QA team does
testing of the packaging and install/upgrade scenarios and then runs
their own tests on the binaries to ensure they perform correctly as
packaged. The packaging itself, including what is included or not
included in the packages, undergoes review of product management,
support and marketing. This step mainly happens when we propose
significant changes in the packaging. Finally, our certified binaries
are the ones we will back with our commercial support.
We also have non-certified or "community" binaries. These are
generally maintained by a community of volunteers/enthusiasts that
want to maintain them. For example, Jeremy Whitlock has been doing
this for OSX for a long time, and many of us at CollabNet that use OSX
do testing for Jeremy and give him feedback. Ultimately, as the
person who is doing the volunteering, Jeremy can decide what his
binaries include, what the packaging does and when he wants to build
them based on his own time.
We do not try to make distinctions over one kind of binary being
better than the other, in fact Jeremy includes things in his binaries
that we will not include in our certifies binaries because we are not
willing to provide the support for them. For us, it is about the
process and whether or not we support them.
I was fine with your wording change, and I am also fine with Julian's
corrections. If you think his changes are confusing I have no
objection to removing those changes. FWIW, I do think Julian's
wording makes it plainly clear that the certification is coming from
the company and not the Subversion project.
Mark
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What does "certified" mean at all? That sounds like some kind of
> certifying authority exists, which is not the case. The binaries are
> built and supported by these various companies. "self-certify" is kind
> of an oxymoron in my book.
>
> I'm certainly open to re-phrasing by the companies with these
> binaries. I just wanted to get rid of the concept of the "certified"
> concept. And if the community thinks the term "certified" is okay...
> then we can put it back. But I think it is very misleading.
>
> Maybe there is another word that better expresses what you're thinking
> by "certified"?
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 06:45, Julian Foad <ju...@wandisco.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2010-06-24, gstein@apache.org wrote:
>>> Author: gstein
>>> Date: Thu Jun 24 23:40:44 2010
>>> New Revision: 957751
>>>
>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=957751&view=rev
>>> Log:
>>> The Subversion community does not "certify" any binaries. These particular
>>> binaries have professional support behind them, but they are not "certified"
>>
>> Those binaries are not certified by the Subversion community, but by
>> CollabNet and WANdisco. There was a lack of clarity over who is
>> certifying them. If you don't mind, I'd like to use this wording:
>>
>> "(professionally supported and certified by ...)"
>>
>> - Julian
>>
>>
>>> * /site/publish/packages.html:
>>> (...): adjust some terminology
>>
>> [...]
>>> <li><p><a href="http://www.wandisco.com/subversion/os/downloads?type=debian5">
>>> - WANdisco</a> (certified binaries; maintained by
>>> + WANdisco</a> (professionally supported by
>>> <a href="http://www.wandisco.com/"
>>> >WANdisco</a>)</p>
>>> </li>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>
--
Thanks
Mark Phippard
http://markphip.blogspot.com/
Re: svn commit: r957751 - /subversion/site/publish/packages.html
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
What does "certified" mean at all? That sounds like some kind of
certifying authority exists, which is not the case. The binaries are
built and supported by these various companies. "self-certify" is kind
of an oxymoron in my book.
I'm certainly open to re-phrasing by the companies with these
binaries. I just wanted to get rid of the concept of the "certified"
concept. And if the community thinks the term "certified" is okay...
then we can put it back. But I think it is very misleading.
Maybe there is another word that better expresses what you're thinking
by "certified"?
Cheers,
-g
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 06:45, Julian Foad <ju...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-24, gstein@apache.org wrote:
>> Author: gstein
>> Date: Thu Jun 24 23:40:44 2010
>> New Revision: 957751
>>
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=957751&view=rev
>> Log:
>> The Subversion community does not "certify" any binaries. These particular
>> binaries have professional support behind them, but they are not "certified"
>
> Those binaries are not certified by the Subversion community, but by
> CollabNet and WANdisco. There was a lack of clarity over who is
> certifying them. If you don't mind, I'd like to use this wording:
>
> "(professionally supported and certified by ...)"
>
> - Julian
>
>
>> * /site/publish/packages.html:
>> (...): adjust some terminology
>
> [...]
>> <li><p><a href="http://www.wandisco.com/subversion/os/downloads?type=debian5">
>> - WANdisco</a> (certified binaries; maintained by
>> + WANdisco</a> (professionally supported by
>> <a href="http://www.wandisco.com/"
>> >WANdisco</a>)</p>
>> </li>
> [...]
>
>
Re: svn commit: r957751 - /subversion/site/publish/packages.html
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@wandisco.com>.
On Thu, 2010-06-24, gstein@apache.org wrote:
> Author: gstein
> Date: Thu Jun 24 23:40:44 2010
> New Revision: 957751
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=957751&view=rev
> Log:
> The Subversion community does not "certify" any binaries. These particular
> binaries have professional support behind them, but they are not "certified"
Those binaries are not certified by the Subversion community, but by
CollabNet and WANdisco. There was a lack of clarity over who is
certifying them. If you don't mind, I'd like to use this wording:
"(professionally supported and certified by ...)"
- Julian
> * /site/publish/packages.html:
> (...): adjust some terminology
[...]
> <li><p><a href="http://www.wandisco.com/subversion/os/downloads?type=debian5">
> - WANdisco</a> (certified binaries; maintained by
> + WANdisco</a> (professionally supported by
> <a href="http://www.wandisco.com/"
> >WANdisco</a>)</p>
> </li>
[...]