Labs project promotion

[Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>]

Hi all, 

I seek your feedback regarding a discussion that we currently have on
the labs ml [2]. I am the PI of the labs project droids and I like to
move out of the labs and create a ASF subproject (either HC or Lucene,
still to define).

The labs bylaws [1] state:
"...
Lab Lifecycle
...
Promoted
Lab started incubation. When a lab is promoted, the files are moved over
to the incubation area."

This move to the incubation has raised some argumentation. 

One reason for this expressed in [3], stating that the code is developed
on ASF homeland: 
"...BTW, why do you need to go through incubation? All the code was
developed in the ASF. It's ASL. You already have a home designated for
it. Seems like incubation can be skipped."

Another reason to skip incubation is the possible lost of visibility of
the project expressed in [5]:
"...The thing is, people looking at HC may just say "Oh, Droids.
Interesting" and take a look and join the community, whereas in
incubator, who knows, it's might be lost in the noise"

One suggestion for this points is suggested in [6]:
"I does seem to me like there should be some sort of incubation fast
track for a lab project that wants to become a subproject of an existing
TLP."

The thing that Droids [7] needs now is more exposure, committer with
different use cases and different needs for robots and plugins. This is
the only way to create a truly "intelligent standalone robot framework".

BTW I started an incubator proposal [8].

WDYT about either skipping or fast track incubation or doing the
standard incubation?

salu2

[1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
[2] http://labs.markmail.org/search/?q=champion#query:champion+page:1
+mid:s2g4ab652sb2xqmh+state:results
[3] http://markmail.org/message/3vvkiute54e34b6y 
[4] http://markmail.org/message/o4ykfjehiuhdbzhu 
[5] http://markmail.org/message/x4spyz7czgyys4eh 
[6] http://markmail.org/message/pctmfp54zqmzb4t2
[7] http://people.apache.org/~thorsten/droids/
[8] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DroidsProposal
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Open Source Java                      consulting, training and solutions


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Re: Labs project promotion

["William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>]

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> 
> I seek your feedback regarding a discussion that we currently have on
> the labs ml [2]. I am the PI of the labs project droids and I like to
> move out of the labs and create a ASF subproject (either HC or Lucene,
> still to define).
> 
> The labs bylaws [1] state:
> "...
> Lab Lifecycle
> ...
> Promoted
> Lab started incubation. When a lab is promoted, the files are moved over
> to the incubation area."

In order to move, the project needs to be voted in directly by incubator,
or otherwise may be voted in by the target top level project as either
a sponsored incubator project, or directly as a subproject (bypassing
the incubator).

It seems HC or Lucene are the folks to ask.  If they want to handle all
of the responsibility of this new subproject straight-off, then there's
really no need for incubation.  But Incubator can take the burden off of
the project to manage, so they might prefer it undergoes this process.

Because it was 'developed here' you simply need to check off the IP
clearance process is done (essentially, I trust there are zero issues
to actually review).


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Re: Labs project promotion

[Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>]

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Hi all, 
>   
Hi !
> <snip/>
> This move to the incubation has raised some argumentation. 
>
> One reason for this expressed in [3], stating that the code is developed
> on ASF homeland: 
> "...BTW, why do you need to go through incubation? All the code was
> developed in the ASF. It's ASL. You already have a home designated for
> it. Seems like incubation can be skipped."
>
> Another reason to skip incubation is the possible lost of visibility of
> the project expressed in [5]:
> "...The thing is, people looking at HC may just say "Oh, Droids.
> Interesting" and take a look and join the community, whereas in
> incubator, who knows, it's might be lost in the noise"
>
> One suggestion for this points is suggested in [6]:
> "I does seem to me like there should be some sort of incubation fast
> track for a lab project that wants to become a subproject of an existing
> TLP."
>
> The thing that Droids [7] needs now is more exposure, committer with
> different use cases and different needs for robots and plugins. This is
> the only way to create a truly "intelligent standalone robot framework".
>
> BTW I started an incubator proposal [8].
>
> WDYT about either skipping or fast track incubation or doing the
> standard incubation?
>   
IMHO, a fast track incubation is ok. The project still need incubation, 
in order to meet the ASF requirements (community diversity, for one of 
them), but it should not take months to be promoted to a TLP/sub-project.


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cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
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