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[IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce copyright?
I have been informed by someone who felt it was very necessary for them
to
act (they called my home, they sent a message to
webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I think he was
referring to the "Developing with Avalon" documentation), the actual
specifics
I am trying to get from the person.
Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation verbatim,
ripped
my name off, and put his own. The documentation is specifically
released under
the ASL 1.1 (modified only to say documentation instead of software).
The
documentation has been donated to the ASF, Jakarta, and specifically
Avalon.
>From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al
Schlessinger,
the top lawyer in the field), the copyright is only as good as its
enforcement.
I personally do not have a problem with sharing the information, and
donating
it to the ASF where it is free to be distributed at will. I do have a
problem
when someone without talent rips off work and passes it off as their
own. To
this kind of person, I can tell them to grow some balls and learn how to
write
for themselves.
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RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforcecopyright?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
After finally closing the loop with the person, I found out that the
document was an internal company document "protected" by NDA.
The person who contacted me was a project manager, and discovered
it by someone else's prompting. I reminded the gentleman that the
source document is protected by the ASL, which generally states that
if you do not change it you can distribute it freely.
I asked him to restore the original "by-line", and he was happy with
that.
There is no public URL to review the stolen bit. Apparently, it was
a total of 12 pages ripped off (not just a bit), and appended with
a rip off of another document from OSS(?).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:pier@betaversion.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:12 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Cc: 'Avalon Developer's List'
> Subject: Re: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to
> enforcecopyright?
>
>
> Berin, do you have any pointer/URL for the "stolen" bits?
> Both ours and the "illegal" copy... I believe that we can
> have someone to write to the offending party and maybe
> reason with them?
>
> Pier
>
> "Berin Loritsch" <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I have been informed by someone who felt it was very necessary for
> > them to act (they called my home, they sent a message to
> > webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
> > etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
> >
> > The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I
> think he
> > was referring to the "Developing with Avalon" documentation), the
> > actual specifics I am trying to get from the person.
> >
> > Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation
> > verbatim, ripped my name off, and put his own. The
> documentation is
> > specifically released under the ASL 1.1 (modified only to say
> > documentation instead of software). The documentation has
> been donated
> > to the ASF, Jakarta, and specifically Avalon.
> >
> > From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al
> > Schlessinger, the top lawyer in the field), the copyright
> is only as
> > good as its enforcement. I personally do not have a problem with
> > sharing the information, and donating it to the ASF where
> it is free
> > to be distributed at will. I do have a problem when
> someone without
> > talent rips off work and passes it off as their own. To
> this kind of
> > person, I can tell them to grow some balls and learn how to
> write for
> > themselves.
>
>
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RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforcecopyright?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
After finally closing the loop with the person, I found out that the
document was an internal company document "protected" by NDA.
The person who contacted me was a project manager, and discovered
it by someone else's prompting. I reminded the gentleman that the
source document is protected by the ASL, which generally states that
if you do not change it you can distribute it freely.
I asked him to restore the original "by-line", and he was happy with
that.
There is no public URL to review the stolen bit. Apparently, it was
a total of 12 pages ripped off (not just a bit), and appended with
a rip off of another document from OSS(?).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:pier@betaversion.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:12 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Cc: 'Avalon Developer's List'
> Subject: Re: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to
> enforcecopyright?
>
>
> Berin, do you have any pointer/URL for the "stolen" bits?
> Both ours and the "illegal" copy... I believe that we can
> have someone to write to the offending party and maybe
> reason with them?
>
> Pier
>
> "Berin Loritsch" <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I have been informed by someone who felt it was very necessary for
> > them to act (they called my home, they sent a message to
> > webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
> > etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
> >
> > The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I
> think he
> > was referring to the "Developing with Avalon" documentation), the
> > actual specifics I am trying to get from the person.
> >
> > Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation
> > verbatim, ripped my name off, and put his own. The
> documentation is
> > specifically released under the ASL 1.1 (modified only to say
> > documentation instead of software). The documentation has
> been donated
> > to the ASF, Jakarta, and specifically Avalon.
> >
> > From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al
> > Schlessinger, the top lawyer in the field), the copyright
> is only as
> > good as its enforcement. I personally do not have a problem with
> > sharing the information, and donating it to the ASF where
> it is free
> > to be distributed at will. I do have a problem when
> someone without
> > talent rips off work and passes it off as their own. To
> this kind of
> > person, I can tell them to grow some balls and learn how to
> write for
> > themselves.
>
>
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Re: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce
copyright?
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Berin, do you have any pointer/URL for the "stolen" bits? Both ours and the
"illegal" copy... I believe that we can have someone to write to the
offending party and maybe reason with them?
Pier
"Berin Loritsch" <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
> I have been informed by someone who felt it was very necessary for them to act
> (they called my home, they sent a message to webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
> etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
>
> The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I think he was
> referring to the "Developing with Avalon" documentation), the actual specifics
> I am trying to get from the person.
>
> Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation verbatim, ripped
> my name off, and put his own. The documentation is specifically released
> under the ASL 1.1 (modified only to say documentation instead of software).
> The documentation has been donated to the ASF, Jakarta, and specifically
> Avalon.
>
> From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al Schlessinger,
> the top lawyer in the field), the copyright is only as good as its
> enforcement. I personally do not have a problem with sharing the information,
> and donating it to the ASF where it is free to be distributed at will. I do
> have a problem when someone without talent rips off work and passes it off as
> their own. To this kind of person, I can tell them to grow some balls and
> learn how to write for themselves.
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RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce copyright?
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
there is a link in the text at the bottom of the front page..
http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henri Yandell [mailto:bayard@generationjava.com]
> Sent: 16 May 2002 15:28
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce
> copyright?
>
>
> Having decided to licence some code under the Apache licence, and some
> documentation as well, I headed to the Jakarta front page to find a link
> to the licence. No dice. Then I tried the main Apache front page, no luck
> again.
>
> Shouldn't these link to the licence? Or the two or three licences in
> question? I would have thought the link would be quite prominent. The
> legal section on Jakarta has no reference, and the Press kit section on
> the main site also has nothing.
>
> Am I being a newbie here?
>
> Hen
>
> On Thu, 16 May 2002, Berin Loritsch wrote:
>
> > Further followup with the gentleman showed that the document was
> > internal to the company he works for. I let him know that if he
> > restored the "by-line" for the proper credit, then it was perfectly
> > fine for him to distribute the document in his company.
>
>
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RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce copyright?
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
Having decided to licence some code under the Apache licence, and some
documentation as well, I headed to the Jakarta front page to find a link
to the licence. No dice. Then I tried the main Apache front page, no luck
again.
Shouldn't these link to the licence? Or the two or three licences in
question? I would have thought the link would be quite prominent. The
legal section on Jakarta has no reference, and the Press kit section on
the main site also has nothing.
Am I being a newbie here?
Hen
On Thu, 16 May 2002, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> Further followup with the gentleman showed that the document was
> internal to the company he works for. I let him know that if he
> restored the "by-line" for the proper credit, then it was perfectly
> fine for him to distribute the document in his company.
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RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce copyright?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Further followup with the gentleman showed that the document was
internal to the company he works for. I let him know that if he
restored the "by-line" for the proper credit, then it was perfectly
fine for him to distribute the document in his company.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:bloritsch@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:04 AM
> To: 'Jakarta General List'
> Cc: 'Avalon Developer's List'
> Subject: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce
> copyright?
>
>
> I have been informed by someone who felt it was very
> necessary for them to act (they called my home, they sent a
> message to webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
> etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
>
> The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I
> think he was referring to the "Developing with Avalon"
> documentation), the actual specifics I am trying to get from
> the person.
>
> Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation
> verbatim, ripped my name off, and put his own. The
> documentation is specifically released under the ASL 1.1
> (modified only to say documentation instead of software). The
> documentation has been donated to the ASF, Jakarta, and
> specifically Avalon.
>
> >From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al
> Schlessinger,
> the top lawyer in the field), the copyright is only as good
> as its enforcement. I personally do not have a problem with
> sharing the information, and donating it to the ASF where it
> is free to be distributed at will. I do have a problem when
> someone without talent rips off work and passes it off as
> their own. To this kind of person, I can tell them to grow
> some balls and learn how to write for themselves.
>
> --
>
> "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> - Benjamin Franklin
>
>
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RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce copyright?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Further followup with the gentleman showed that the document was
internal to the company he works for. I let him know that if he
restored the "by-line" for the proper credit, then it was perfectly
fine for him to distribute the document in his company.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:bloritsch@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:04 AM
> To: 'Jakarta General List'
> Cc: 'Avalon Developer's List'
> Subject: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce
> copyright?
>
>
> I have been informed by someone who felt it was very
> necessary for them to act (they called my home, they sent a
> message to webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
> etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
>
> The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I
> think he was referring to the "Developing with Avalon"
> documentation), the actual specifics I am trying to get from
> the person.
>
> Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation
> verbatim, ripped my name off, and put his own. The
> documentation is specifically released under the ASL 1.1
> (modified only to say documentation instead of software). The
> documentation has been donated to the ASF, Jakarta, and
> specifically Avalon.
>
> >From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al
> Schlessinger,
> the top lawyer in the field), the copyright is only as good
> as its enforcement. I personally do not have a problem with
> sharing the information, and donating it to the ASF where it
> is free to be distributed at will. I do have a problem when
> someone without talent rips off work and passes it off as
> their own. To this kind of person, I can tell them to grow
> some balls and learn how to write for themselves.
>
> --
>
> "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> - Benjamin Franklin
>
>
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Re: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce
copyright?
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Berin, do you have any pointer/URL for the "stolen" bits? Both ours and the
"illegal" copy... I believe that we can have someone to write to the
offending party and maybe reason with them?
Pier
"Berin Loritsch" <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
> I have been informed by someone who felt it was very necessary for them to act
> (they called my home, they sent a message to webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
> etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
>
> The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I think he was
> referring to the "Developing with Avalon" documentation), the actual specifics
> I am trying to get from the person.
>
> Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation verbatim, ripped
> my name off, and put his own. The documentation is specifically released
> under the ASL 1.1 (modified only to say documentation instead of software).
> The documentation has been donated to the ASF, Jakarta, and specifically
> Avalon.
>
> From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al Schlessinger,
> the top lawyer in the field), the copyright is only as good as its
> enforcement. I personally do not have a problem with sharing the information,
> and donating it to the ASF where it is free to be distributed at will. I do
> have a problem when someone without talent rips off work and passes it off as
> their own. To this kind of person, I can tell them to grow some balls and
> learn how to write for themselves.
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