Clarification about Tiles

[ma...@merkur.at]

Hi,

I use MyFaces with Tiles in two projects and I'm quite happy with it.
It does what I expect with no troubles!

Recently, I read some statements from members of the MyFaces team (Werner 
Punz, Matthias Wessendorf) which  take the view that using Tiles in 
context of JSF is a bad idea (with no explanation why)

Could  one of the MyFaces comitters give a statement why using of Tiles is 
not recommended? 

What are the drawbacks of Tiles when I only need a templating tool?

Is the Tiles integration in future MyFaces versions guaranteed?

I agree that the facelets framework is more powerful than Tiles but I 
think that the porting of an existing MyFaces Application to facelets is 
not as easy. Isn't it?




TIA

Martin Kuhn

Re: Clarification about Tiles

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

> I use MyFaces with Tiles in two projects and I'm quite happy with it.
> It does what I expect with no troubles!

that's great.

> Recently, I read some statements from members of the MyFaces team (Werner
> Punz, Matthias Wessendorf) which  take the view that using Tiles in context

bad boys ;)

> of JSF is a bad idea (with no explanation why)
>
> Could  one of the MyFaces comitters give a statement why using of Tiles is
> not recommended?

Tiles is a JSP based technology for templating. There is a "mismatch"
between jsf and jsp.
You can still use your Tiles defs with a myfaces app. That's fine!

Facelets is on top of JSF so it is much closer to that spec.
Facelets was created because of the JSF_JSP integration was/is not that well.
(sorta practical work around)


> What are the drawbacks of Tiles when I only need a templating tool?

Faclets is faster for instance. you don't need these *global* navigation rules.
you parameterize Faclets

But... Tiles has still one benefit, you can *navigate* to a "Tiles
definition". In Facelets you navigate to a "template client" which
says "header: page.xhtml; menu: navi.xhtml"...

> Is the Tiles integration in future MyFaces versions guaranteed?

sure! Even the example will be maintained, in case of any issues.

> I agree that the facelets framework is more powerful than Tiles but I think
> that the porting of an existing MyFaces Application to facelets is not as
> easy. Isn't it?

well, I'd never port that much from "technology a" to "technology b"
in a (running) project.
Tiles works! and if it fit's all your needs; that is perfect ! I'd not
recomment to do the porting,
but for new projects I'd look closer to Facelets.


There is a very interesting article from Rick Hightower online (at IBM or so)
If you like, check that out.

(he explains facelets in there and has a demo with Facelets and Tiles)
-M

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Re: Clarification about Tiles

[Gerald Müllan <bi...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

if using tiles, you get some overhead with it. What comes along with
this fact, you have to use jsp in combination with tiles (or better;
tiles in combination with jsp), which seems little bit outfashioned in
comparison to the well-jsf-fitting facelets view technology.

So that`s the main point; Matze and Werner are more fans of the well
with jsf working facelets (which does perform much more than
jsp+tiles).

Apart from this, migrating from jsp to facelets isn`t that extensive.
In the simplest way you only have to replace the doc-headers and do
little config work.

However, future versions of myfaces would support tiles as long as jsp
needs tiles to do templating. And that should meet all your needs.

cheers,

Gerald

On 11/6/06, martin.kuhn@merkur.at <ma...@merkur.at> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I use MyFaces with Tiles in two projects and I'm quite happy with it.
> It does what I expect with no troubles!
>
> Recently, I read some statements from members of the MyFaces team (Werner
> Punz, Matthias Wessendorf) which  take the view that using Tiles in context
> of JSF is a bad idea (with no explanation why)
>
> Could  one of the MyFaces comitters give a statement why using of Tiles is
> not recommended?
>
> What are the drawbacks of Tiles when I only need a templating tool?
>
> Is the Tiles integration in future MyFaces versions guaranteed?
>
> I agree that the facelets framework is more powerful than Tiles but I think
> that the porting of an existing MyFaces Application to facelets is not as
> easy. Isn't it?
>
>
>
>
> TIA
>
> Martin Kuhn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich und ausschließlich für den/die Adressaten
> bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der beabsichtigte Adressat, einer seiner
> Mitarbeiter oder sein Empfangsbevollmächtigter sein, ist jede Form der
> Kenntnisnahme, Veröffentlichung, Vervielfältigung oder Weitergabe des
> Inhalts dieser Nachricht unzulässig. In diesem Fall bitten wir, den Absender
> umgehend zu benachrichtigen und die Nachricht zu vernichten. Elektronisch
> versandte Nachrichten können durch Unberechtigte manipuliert und/oder
> gelesen werden, weshalb jegliche Haftung hierfür ausgeschlossen wird.
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> This communication is confidential and is intended solely for the
> addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), his/her assistant,
> or authorized recipient, any form of disclosure, reproduction, distribution
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