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Posted to dev@jclouds.apache.org by Everett Toews <ev...@RACKSPACE.COM> on 2014/11/14 00:57:04 UTC
[DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
MoinMoin is antiquated and slow to the point of being unusable. Let’s switch to Confluence [1].
I’ll do the migration manually. Everything linked to from the current front page [2] will get migrated in a similar hierarchy. If it isn’t linked to from the front page, it won’t get migrated.
When the migration is done, we delete the jclouds space in MoinMoin.
Voting ends 3 business days from today on 0000 UTC on 2014-11-18
Regards,
Everett
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/
[2] https://wiki.apache.org/jclouds/
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Andrew Gaul <ga...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:28:04AM +0000, Everett Toews wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Andrew Gaul <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Have we reported an issue with ASF infra about slow wiki speed?
>
> Matt created one over a year ago. Go ahead and reopen it if you like.
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6320
Thanks for the pointer. I did not see similar issues reported and added
my feedback to INFRA-6320. I agree that we should use a performant wiki
and switch if necessary. I would like to give infra a chance to fix
this but otherwise do not have an opinion on which wiki is best for
jclouds.
--
Andrew Gaul
http://gaul.org/
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Everett Toews <ev...@RACKSPACE.COM>.
On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Andrew Gaul <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Have we reported an issue with ASF infra about slow wiki speed?
Matt created one over a year ago. Go ahead and reopen it if you like.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6320
Everett
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Andrew Gaul <ga...@apache.org>.
Have we reported an issue with ASF infra about slow wiki speed?
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:57:04PM +0000, Everett Toews wrote:
> MoinMoin is antiquated and slow to the point of being unusable. Let’s switch to Confluence [1].
>
> I’ll do the migration manually. Everything linked to from the current front page [2] will get migrated in a similar hierarchy. If it isn’t linked to from the front page, it won’t get migrated.
>
> When the migration is done, we delete the jclouds space in MoinMoin.
>
> Voting ends 3 business days from today on 0000 UTC on 2014-11-18
>
> Regards,
> Everett
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/
> [2] https://wiki.apache.org/jclouds/
--
Andrew Gaul
http://gaul.org/
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Everett Toews <ev...@RACKSPACE.COM>.
Thanks for the idea Richard. I chatted with them on HipChat but it wasn’t related to the emergency maintenance.
All I did was delete my current site-content dir, do a checkout, and then commit the changes. It worked. The commit wasn’t even that big [1]. There must have been something awry about my current site-content dir.
Thanks,
Everett
[1] http://svn.apache.org/r1644115
On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Richard Downer <ri...@apache.org> wrote:
> Everett,
>
> I heard recently about a Subversion outage at Apache:
> https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/subversion_master_undergoing_emergency_maintenance
>
> The outcome appears to be that the Subversion infrastructure has been
> significantly rebuilt, while under time pressure. Possibly the new
> implementation missed a fix or particular config from the old host?
> I'd suggest chatting to infra using the HipChat link in that blog
> post, they have been very helpful and quick to respond every time I
> have had cause to contact them there.
>
> Richard.
>
>
> On 8 December 2014 at 14:56, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>> I merged a PR to the jclouds site with updates to the wiki links [1]. But when I try to publish the site I get the error
>>
>> svn: E175002: Server sent unexpected return value (413 Request Entity Too Large) in response to REPORT request for '/repos/asf/!svn/me’
>>
>> The change to the footer causes an update to every page but it’s still not that many files really. Has anyone run into this before?
>>
>> The ticket to remove the MoinMoin wiki has been created [2].
>>
>> Everett
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/jclouds/jclouds-site/pull/148
>> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8816
>>
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The migration is complete.
>>>
>>> I tried to clean up some pages here and there while I was doing the migration. Some notes:
>>>
>>> 1. Moved the Annotations page under Writing jclouds Code
>>> 2. Removed the Templating page under Writing jclouds Code as it’s been superseded by AutoValue
>>> 3. Removed the Eclipse and Tools pages under Development Environment as they were empty
>>> 4. Created a Roadmap page and put Release Cadence and Deprecation and Beta Policy under it
>>> 5. Did not move the actual content of the Roadmap page itself as it is no longer realistic
>>>
>>> Go to the sign up page [1] to get an account. Let us know your username (maybe try to keep the same as you JIRA username?) and we’ll set you up with the proper permissions.
>>>
>>> Can someone look over it and check the work?
>>>
>>> I’ll create the INFRA ticket to delete the MoinMoin wiki on Friday.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Everett
>>>
>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/signup.action
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My MoinMoin account was disabled because I hadn’t made any recent changes. Apparently 2014-11-13 isn’t recent enough. I expect some of your accounts have been disabled too. Yet another barrier to working with MoinMoin.
>>>>
>>>> More timings:
>>>>
>>>> 33.3s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>>>> 32.5s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>>>> 31.0s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>>>>
>>>> 3.23 for Confluence to save an edit
>>>> 2.17 for Confluence to save an edit
>>>> 2.33 for Confluence to save an edit
>>>>
>>>> 31.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
>>>> 29.2s for MoinMoin to create a page
>>>> 29.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
>>>>
>>>> 3.47s for Confluence to create a page
>>>> 2.92s for Confluence to create a page
>>>> 3.43s for Confluence to create a page
>>>>
>>>> Confluence is roughly 10x faster than MoinMoin
>>>> It’s easier to use with many features for editing pages
>>>> Has broader adoption (220 ASF projects in Confluence vs 77 in MoinMoin)
>>>> Seems to be much more actively developed
>>>>
>>>> I see no reason to stay with MoinMoin. Let’s get back to a place where contributors are actually willing and able to easily write contributor docs.
>>>>
>>>> I’m going to reopen the vote.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Everett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The new space in Confluence has been created [1] and has the current users set to
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew Bayer
>>>>> Adrian Cole
>>>>> Andrew Phillips
>>>>> Chris Custine
>>>>> Everett Toews
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to do some basic timing tests with MoinMoin but apparently I need to reset my password. And that’s not working right now (I’ve opened an INFRA ticket).
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point, here’s what I know:
>>>>>
>>>>> 30.9s for MoinMoin to attempt a login
>>>>> 30.1s for MoinMoin to return from its password reset page
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.94s for Confluence to login
>>>>> 3.56s for Confluence to save a page
>>>>> 1.99s for Confluence to go into edit mode
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone else is able to try it, please do. MoinMoin is so slow it’s unusable. Adrian is sharing info in gists because it’s so slow. I’m not sure why we’re suffering through this when we have a perfectly good alternative with Confluence. It’s quick and usable. Most other ASF projects (220) use it and it’s in use at a multitude of orgs around the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everett
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JCLOUDS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Phillips <ap...@qrmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8622 to get a space added for us. I tried adding Andrew Phillips as another space admin (as PMC Chair) but I couldn’t find his confluence ID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just created user "andrewp". Thanks, Chris!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ap
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Richard Downer <ri...@apache.org>.
Everett,
I heard recently about a Subversion outage at Apache:
https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/subversion_master_undergoing_emergency_maintenance
The outcome appears to be that the Subversion infrastructure has been
significantly rebuilt, while under time pressure. Possibly the new
implementation missed a fix or particular config from the old host?
I'd suggest chatting to infra using the HipChat link in that blog
post, they have been very helpful and quick to respond every time I
have had cause to contact them there.
Richard.
On 8 December 2014 at 14:56, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
> I merged a PR to the jclouds site with updates to the wiki links [1]. But when I try to publish the site I get the error
>
> svn: E175002: Server sent unexpected return value (413 Request Entity Too Large) in response to REPORT request for '/repos/asf/!svn/me’
>
> The change to the footer causes an update to every page but it’s still not that many files really. Has anyone run into this before?
>
> The ticket to remove the MoinMoin wiki has been created [2].
>
> Everett
>
> [1] https://github.com/jclouds/jclouds-site/pull/148
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8816
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>
>> The migration is complete.
>>
>> I tried to clean up some pages here and there while I was doing the migration. Some notes:
>>
>> 1. Moved the Annotations page under Writing jclouds Code
>> 2. Removed the Templating page under Writing jclouds Code as it’s been superseded by AutoValue
>> 3. Removed the Eclipse and Tools pages under Development Environment as they were empty
>> 4. Created a Roadmap page and put Release Cadence and Deprecation and Beta Policy under it
>> 5. Did not move the actual content of the Roadmap page itself as it is no longer realistic
>>
>> Go to the sign up page [1] to get an account. Let us know your username (maybe try to keep the same as you JIRA username?) and we’ll set you up with the proper permissions.
>>
>> Can someone look over it and check the work?
>>
>> I’ll create the INFRA ticket to delete the MoinMoin wiki on Friday.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Everett
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/signup.action
>>
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My MoinMoin account was disabled because I hadn’t made any recent changes. Apparently 2014-11-13 isn’t recent enough. I expect some of your accounts have been disabled too. Yet another barrier to working with MoinMoin.
>>>
>>> More timings:
>>>
>>> 33.3s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>>> 32.5s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>>> 31.0s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>>>
>>> 3.23 for Confluence to save an edit
>>> 2.17 for Confluence to save an edit
>>> 2.33 for Confluence to save an edit
>>>
>>> 31.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
>>> 29.2s for MoinMoin to create a page
>>> 29.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
>>>
>>> 3.47s for Confluence to create a page
>>> 2.92s for Confluence to create a page
>>> 3.43s for Confluence to create a page
>>>
>>> Confluence is roughly 10x faster than MoinMoin
>>> It’s easier to use with many features for editing pages
>>> Has broader adoption (220 ASF projects in Confluence vs 77 in MoinMoin)
>>> Seems to be much more actively developed
>>>
>>> I see no reason to stay with MoinMoin. Let’s get back to a place where contributors are actually willing and able to easily write contributor docs.
>>>
>>> I’m going to reopen the vote.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Everett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The new space in Confluence has been created [1] and has the current users set to
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Bayer
>>>> Adrian Cole
>>>> Andrew Phillips
>>>> Chris Custine
>>>> Everett Toews
>>>>
>>>> I tried to do some basic timing tests with MoinMoin but apparently I need to reset my password. And that’s not working right now (I’ve opened an INFRA ticket).
>>>>
>>>> At this point, here’s what I know:
>>>>
>>>> 30.9s for MoinMoin to attempt a login
>>>> 30.1s for MoinMoin to return from its password reset page
>>>>
>>>> 2.94s for Confluence to login
>>>> 3.56s for Confluence to save a page
>>>> 1.99s for Confluence to go into edit mode
>>>>
>>>> If anyone else is able to try it, please do. MoinMoin is so slow it’s unusable. Adrian is sharing info in gists because it’s so slow. I’m not sure why we’re suffering through this when we have a perfectly good alternative with Confluence. It’s quick and usable. Most other ASF projects (220) use it and it’s in use at a multitude of orgs around the world.
>>>>
>>>> Everett
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JCLOUDS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Phillips <ap...@qrmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8622 to get a space added for us. I tried adding Andrew Phillips as another space admin (as PMC Chair) but I couldn’t find his confluence ID.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just created user "andrewp". Thanks, Chris!
>>>>>
>>>>> ap
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Everett Toews <ev...@RACKSPACE.COM>.
I merged a PR to the jclouds site with updates to the wiki links [1]. But when I try to publish the site I get the error
svn: E175002: Server sent unexpected return value (413 Request Entity Too Large) in response to REPORT request for '/repos/asf/!svn/me’
The change to the footer causes an update to every page but it’s still not that many files really. Has anyone run into this before?
The ticket to remove the MoinMoin wiki has been created [2].
Everett
[1] https://github.com/jclouds/jclouds-site/pull/148
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8816
On Dec 1, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
> The migration is complete.
>
> I tried to clean up some pages here and there while I was doing the migration. Some notes:
>
> 1. Moved the Annotations page under Writing jclouds Code
> 2. Removed the Templating page under Writing jclouds Code as it’s been superseded by AutoValue
> 3. Removed the Eclipse and Tools pages under Development Environment as they were empty
> 4. Created a Roadmap page and put Release Cadence and Deprecation and Beta Policy under it
> 5. Did not move the actual content of the Roadmap page itself as it is no longer realistic
>
> Go to the sign up page [1] to get an account. Let us know your username (maybe try to keep the same as you JIRA username?) and we’ll set you up with the proper permissions.
>
> Can someone look over it and check the work?
>
> I’ll create the INFRA ticket to delete the MoinMoin wiki on Friday.
>
> Thanks,
> Everett
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/signup.action
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>
>> My MoinMoin account was disabled because I hadn’t made any recent changes. Apparently 2014-11-13 isn’t recent enough. I expect some of your accounts have been disabled too. Yet another barrier to working with MoinMoin.
>>
>> More timings:
>>
>> 33.3s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>> 32.5s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>> 31.0s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>>
>> 3.23 for Confluence to save an edit
>> 2.17 for Confluence to save an edit
>> 2.33 for Confluence to save an edit
>>
>> 31.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
>> 29.2s for MoinMoin to create a page
>> 29.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
>>
>> 3.47s for Confluence to create a page
>> 2.92s for Confluence to create a page
>> 3.43s for Confluence to create a page
>>
>> Confluence is roughly 10x faster than MoinMoin
>> It’s easier to use with many features for editing pages
>> Has broader adoption (220 ASF projects in Confluence vs 77 in MoinMoin)
>> Seems to be much more actively developed
>>
>> I see no reason to stay with MoinMoin. Let’s get back to a place where contributors are actually willing and able to easily write contributor docs.
>>
>> I’m going to reopen the vote.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Everett
>>
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The new space in Confluence has been created [1] and has the current users set to
>>>
>>> Andrew Bayer
>>> Adrian Cole
>>> Andrew Phillips
>>> Chris Custine
>>> Everett Toews
>>>
>>> I tried to do some basic timing tests with MoinMoin but apparently I need to reset my password. And that’s not working right now (I’ve opened an INFRA ticket).
>>>
>>> At this point, here’s what I know:
>>>
>>> 30.9s for MoinMoin to attempt a login
>>> 30.1s for MoinMoin to return from its password reset page
>>>
>>> 2.94s for Confluence to login
>>> 3.56s for Confluence to save a page
>>> 1.99s for Confluence to go into edit mode
>>>
>>> If anyone else is able to try it, please do. MoinMoin is so slow it’s unusable. Adrian is sharing info in gists because it’s so slow. I’m not sure why we’re suffering through this when we have a perfectly good alternative with Confluence. It’s quick and usable. Most other ASF projects (220) use it and it’s in use at a multitude of orgs around the world.
>>>
>>> Everett
>>>
>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JCLOUDS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Phillips <ap...@qrmedia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8622 to get a space added for us. I tried adding Andrew Phillips as another space admin (as PMC Chair) but I couldn’t find his confluence ID.
>>>>
>>>> Just created user "andrewp". Thanks, Chris!
>>>>
>>>> ap
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Everett Toews <ev...@RACKSPACE.COM>.
The migration is complete.
I tried to clean up some pages here and there while I was doing the migration. Some notes:
1. Moved the Annotations page under Writing jclouds Code
2. Removed the Templating page under Writing jclouds Code as it’s been superseded by AutoValue
3. Removed the Eclipse and Tools pages under Development Environment as they were empty
4. Created a Roadmap page and put Release Cadence and Deprecation and Beta Policy under it
5. Did not move the actual content of the Roadmap page itself as it is no longer realistic
Go to the sign up page [1] to get an account. Let us know your username (maybe try to keep the same as you JIRA username?) and we’ll set you up with the proper permissions.
Can someone look over it and check the work?
I’ll create the INFRA ticket to delete the MoinMoin wiki on Friday.
Thanks,
Everett
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/signup.action
On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
> My MoinMoin account was disabled because I hadn’t made any recent changes. Apparently 2014-11-13 isn’t recent enough. I expect some of your accounts have been disabled too. Yet another barrier to working with MoinMoin.
>
> More timings:
>
> 33.3s for MoinMoin to save an edit
> 32.5s for MoinMoin to save an edit
> 31.0s for MoinMoin to save an edit
>
> 3.23 for Confluence to save an edit
> 2.17 for Confluence to save an edit
> 2.33 for Confluence to save an edit
>
> 31.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
> 29.2s for MoinMoin to create a page
> 29.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
>
> 3.47s for Confluence to create a page
> 2.92s for Confluence to create a page
> 3.43s for Confluence to create a page
>
> Confluence is roughly 10x faster than MoinMoin
> It’s easier to use with many features for editing pages
> Has broader adoption (220 ASF projects in Confluence vs 77 in MoinMoin)
> Seems to be much more actively developed
>
> I see no reason to stay with MoinMoin. Let’s get back to a place where contributors are actually willing and able to easily write contributor docs.
>
> I’m going to reopen the vote.
>
> Regards,
> Everett
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
>
>> The new space in Confluence has been created [1] and has the current users set to
>>
>> Andrew Bayer
>> Adrian Cole
>> Andrew Phillips
>> Chris Custine
>> Everett Toews
>>
>> I tried to do some basic timing tests with MoinMoin but apparently I need to reset my password. And that’s not working right now (I’ve opened an INFRA ticket).
>>
>> At this point, here’s what I know:
>>
>> 30.9s for MoinMoin to attempt a login
>> 30.1s for MoinMoin to return from its password reset page
>>
>> 2.94s for Confluence to login
>> 3.56s for Confluence to save a page
>> 1.99s for Confluence to go into edit mode
>>
>> If anyone else is able to try it, please do. MoinMoin is so slow it’s unusable. Adrian is sharing info in gists because it’s so slow. I’m not sure why we’re suffering through this when we have a perfectly good alternative with Confluence. It’s quick and usable. Most other ASF projects (220) use it and it’s in use at a multitude of orgs around the world.
>>
>> Everett
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JCLOUDS
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Phillips <ap...@qrmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8622 to get a space added for us. I tried adding Andrew Phillips as another space admin (as PMC Chair) but I couldn’t find his confluence ID.
>>>
>>> Just created user "andrewp". Thanks, Chris!
>>>
>>> ap
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Everett Toews <ev...@RACKSPACE.COM>.
My MoinMoin account was disabled because I hadn’t made any recent changes. Apparently 2014-11-13 isn’t recent enough. I expect some of your accounts have been disabled too. Yet another barrier to working with MoinMoin.
More timings:
33.3s for MoinMoin to save an edit
32.5s for MoinMoin to save an edit
31.0s for MoinMoin to save an edit
3.23 for Confluence to save an edit
2.17 for Confluence to save an edit
2.33 for Confluence to save an edit
31.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
29.2s for MoinMoin to create a page
29.4s for MoinMoin to create a page
3.47s for Confluence to create a page
2.92s for Confluence to create a page
3.43s for Confluence to create a page
Confluence is roughly 10x faster than MoinMoin
It’s easier to use with many features for editing pages
Has broader adoption (220 ASF projects in Confluence vs 77 in MoinMoin)
Seems to be much more actively developed
I see no reason to stay with MoinMoin. Let’s get back to a place where contributors are actually willing and able to easily write contributor docs.
I’m going to reopen the vote.
Regards,
Everett
On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com> wrote:
> The new space in Confluence has been created [1] and has the current users set to
>
> Andrew Bayer
> Adrian Cole
> Andrew Phillips
> Chris Custine
> Everett Toews
>
> I tried to do some basic timing tests with MoinMoin but apparently I need to reset my password. And that’s not working right now (I’ve opened an INFRA ticket).
>
> At this point, here’s what I know:
>
> 30.9s for MoinMoin to attempt a login
> 30.1s for MoinMoin to return from its password reset page
>
> 2.94s for Confluence to login
> 3.56s for Confluence to save a page
> 1.99s for Confluence to go into edit mode
>
> If anyone else is able to try it, please do. MoinMoin is so slow it’s unusable. Adrian is sharing info in gists because it’s so slow. I’m not sure why we’re suffering through this when we have a perfectly good alternative with Confluence. It’s quick and usable. Most other ASF projects (220) use it and it’s in use at a multitude of orgs around the world.
>
> Everett
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JCLOUDS
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Phillips <ap...@qrmedia.com> wrote:
>
>>> I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8622 to get a space added for us. I tried adding Andrew Phillips as another space admin (as PMC Chair) but I couldn’t find his confluence ID.
>>
>> Just created user "andrewp". Thanks, Chris!
>>
>> ap
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Everett Toews <ev...@RACKSPACE.COM>.
The new space in Confluence has been created [1] and has the current users set to
Andrew Bayer
Adrian Cole
Andrew Phillips
Chris Custine
Everett Toews
I tried to do some basic timing tests with MoinMoin but apparently I need to reset my password. And that’s not working right now (I’ve opened an INFRA ticket).
At this point, here’s what I know:
30.9s for MoinMoin to attempt a login
30.1s for MoinMoin to return from its password reset page
2.94s for Confluence to login
3.56s for Confluence to save a page
1.99s for Confluence to go into edit mode
If anyone else is able to try it, please do. MoinMoin is so slow it’s unusable. Adrian is sharing info in gists because it’s so slow. I’m not sure why we’re suffering through this when we have a perfectly good alternative with Confluence. It’s quick and usable. Most other ASF projects (220) use it and it’s in use at a multitude of orgs around the world.
Everett
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JCLOUDS
On Nov 13, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Phillips <ap...@qrmedia.com> wrote:
>> I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8622 to get a space added for us. I tried adding Andrew Phillips as another space admin (as PMC Chair) but I couldn’t find his confluence ID.
>
> Just created user "andrewp". Thanks, Chris!
>
> ap
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Andrew Phillips <ap...@qrmedia.com>.
> I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8622 to get a
> space added for us. I tried adding Andrew Phillips as another space
> admin (as PMC Chair) but I couldn’t find his confluence ID.
Just created user "andrewp". Thanks, Chris!
ap
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Chris Custine <ch...@gmail.com>.
I created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8622 to get a space added for us. I tried adding Andrew Phillips as another space admin (as PMC Chair) but I couldn’t find his confluence ID. If he creates one and lets me know before they add it I will edit the request.
Obviously I am +1 for at least trying it out. I’m not sure it could possibly be worse than the performance of Moin Moin, but it has definitely had issues in the past. Seemed fairly quick for me tonight editing some other project wiki pages.
Thanks,
Chris
--
Chris Custine
On November 13, 2014 at 6:39:29 PM, Adrian Cole (adrian.f.cole@gmail.com) wrote:
FYI I'm not sure who has Karma to add a space (Maybe David Nalley?).
If someone gets karma to add a space, please add adriancole to it, as
right now I have zero access.
-A
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Matt Stephenson <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Can we setup a confluence site space and try to see how hard it is to edit
> wiki pages? I'm pretty pessimistic about the grass being greener...
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com>
> wrote:
>
>> MoinMoin is antiquated and slow to the point of being unusable. Let’s
>> switch to Confluence [1].
>>
>> I’ll do the migration manually. Everything linked to from the current
>> front page [2] will get migrated in a similar hierarchy. If it isn’t linked
>> to from the front page, it won’t get migrated.
>>
>> When the migration is done, we delete the jclouds space in MoinMoin.
>>
>> Voting ends 3 business days from today on 0000 UTC on 2014-11-18
>>
>> Regards,
>> Everett
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/
>> [2] https://wiki.apache.org/jclouds/
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>.
FYI I'm not sure who has Karma to add a space (Maybe David Nalley?).
If someone gets karma to add a space, please add adriancole to it, as
right now I have zero access.
-A
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Matt Stephenson <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Can we setup a confluence site space and try to see how hard it is to edit
> wiki pages? I'm pretty pessimistic about the grass being greener...
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com>
> wrote:
>
>> MoinMoin is antiquated and slow to the point of being unusable. Let’s
>> switch to Confluence [1].
>>
>> I’ll do the migration manually. Everything linked to from the current
>> front page [2] will get migrated in a similar hierarchy. If it isn’t linked
>> to from the front page, it won’t get migrated.
>>
>> When the migration is done, we delete the jclouds space in MoinMoin.
>>
>> Voting ends 3 business days from today on 0000 UTC on 2014-11-18
>>
>> Regards,
>> Everett
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/
>> [2] https://wiki.apache.org/jclouds/
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>.
Confluence skills seem to be needed wherever I go, so I'm pretty ok
with using it and will probably +1.
That said, I won't be able to muck with my login till tonight, but if
someone doesn't mind making a space, I'll do a doc experiment there.
Most of the work I've been doing in GCE is see how we can refine our
use of jclouds until we can do major core changes (which I have ideas
for, but don't want to side-track this further). Most, but not all of
the code slaying revolves around value types. I can experiment on
cwiki with autovalue including protips.
Will vote following that, suffice to say that if it sucks more than
normal confluence I won't +1 :)
-A
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agree with matt. I'm ok with a rush proposal/vote if we put an example
> up of the difference?
>
> /me looks for his login
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Matt Stephenson <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Can we setup a confluence site space and try to see how hard it is to edit
>> wiki pages? I'm pretty pessimistic about the grass being greener...
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> MoinMoin is antiquated and slow to the point of being unusable. Let’s
>>> switch to Confluence [1].
>>>
>>> I’ll do the migration manually. Everything linked to from the current
>>> front page [2] will get migrated in a similar hierarchy. If it isn’t linked
>>> to from the front page, it won’t get migrated.
>>>
>>> When the migration is done, we delete the jclouds space in MoinMoin.
>>>
>>> Voting ends 3 business days from today on 0000 UTC on 2014-11-18
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Everett
>>>
>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/
>>> [2] https://wiki.apache.org/jclouds/
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Adrian Cole <ad...@gmail.com>.
Agree with matt. I'm ok with a rush proposal/vote if we put an example
up of the difference?
/me looks for his login
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Matt Stephenson <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Can we setup a confluence site space and try to see how hard it is to edit
> wiki pages? I'm pretty pessimistic about the grass being greener...
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com>
> wrote:
>
>> MoinMoin is antiquated and slow to the point of being unusable. Let’s
>> switch to Confluence [1].
>>
>> I’ll do the migration manually. Everything linked to from the current
>> front page [2] will get migrated in a similar hierarchy. If it isn’t linked
>> to from the front page, it won’t get migrated.
>>
>> When the migration is done, we delete the jclouds space in MoinMoin.
>>
>> Voting ends 3 business days from today on 0000 UTC on 2014-11-18
>>
>> Regards,
>> Everett
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/
>> [2] https://wiki.apache.org/jclouds/
Re: [DISCUSS] Switch the wiki to Confluence
Posted by Matt Stephenson <ma...@apache.org>.
Can we setup a confluence site space and try to see how hard it is to edit
wiki pages? I'm pretty pessimistic about the grass being greener...
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Everett Toews <ev...@rackspace.com>
wrote:
> MoinMoin is antiquated and slow to the point of being unusable. Let’s
> switch to Confluence [1].
>
> I’ll do the migration manually. Everything linked to from the current
> front page [2] will get migrated in a similar hierarchy. If it isn’t linked
> to from the front page, it won’t get migrated.
>
> When the migration is done, we delete the jclouds space in MoinMoin.
>
> Voting ends 3 business days from today on 0000 UTC on 2014-11-18
>
> Regards,
> Everett
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/
> [2] https://wiki.apache.org/jclouds/