Re: Release 2.5 Beta?

[Nicholas Grealy <ni...@gmail.com>]

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think anyone is actively objecting to "not
having docs for macros" for the beta...

Can the release manager please post the VOTE for a "2.5-MUSHROOM" beta
release?


On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 at 06:14 Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, without releases, they won't even try either ;-)
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Cédric Champeau <
> cedric.champeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Of course there are tests, but it's unlikely people will test a feature
>> if they have to look at unit tests to understand what it does.
>>
>> 2016-03-13 18:18 GMT+01:00 Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Aren't there any unit tests to point people to?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Cédric Champeau <
>>> cedric.champeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The problem is how to get feedback if the feature is not documented?
>>>>
>>>> 2016-03-13 18:13 GMT+01:00 Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> For a beta, I think it can be okay, but for the final release of 2.5,
>>>>> documentation will be of course mandatory, and we can't release it without
>>>>> that documentation. As I often say, a feature which is not documented
>>>>> doesn't exist!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Shil Sinha <sh...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's a bit of a problem, still, when it's really that
>>>>>>> particular feature which is in beta, and that we'll want users to test.
>>>>>>> Without knowing it's there and how to use it it's going to be hard to have
>>>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed, it would be strange to not have any documentation for the
>>>>>> focal point of a release. Are there any external references which we could
>>>>>> direct users to? Not from within the repo itself, but when promoting the
>>>>>> release elsewhere e.g. Twitter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Cédric Champeau <
>>>>>> cedric.champeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So does everyone agree that we should release the beta even if it's
>>>>>>> missing docs for macros? I think it's a bit of a problem, still, when it's
>>>>>>> really that particular feature which is in beta, and that we'll want users
>>>>>>> to test. Without knowing it's there and how to use it it's going to be hard
>>>>>>> to have feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2016-03-13 0:56 GMT+01:00 Suderman Keith <su...@cs.vassar.edu>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Guillaume Laforge <gl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's go with mushroom, for a change :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Cédric Champeau <
>>>>>>>> cedric.champeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2016-03-12 0:05 GMT+01:00 Nicholas Grealy <ni...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looks like it's just you and me, Pascal!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just some questions for the broader dev community:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    - Who can perform the release? - Cédric looked like he single
>>>>>>>>>>    handedly pushed out version 2.4.6 - can we ask him to prepare the 2.5 beta
>>>>>>>>>>    release?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Until we've switched to a new release process, it's still easier
>>>>>>>>> if I do it, yes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>    - Is there anything outstanding for a 2.5 beta release? -
>>>>>>>>>>    Whoever's we're waiting on, can we get an update?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are lots of outstanding issues, that's why it's a beta. In
>>>>>>>>> particular, the new (exciting!) macro stuff is not documented, nor the AST
>>>>>>>>> matcher complete. It's a super nice feature that deserves polishing. Plus,
>>>>>>>>> there are some decisions to be made with regards to applying the global
>>>>>>>>> `macro` AST xform globally or not, in particular with groovy-all. We can
>>>>>>>>> solve this after the beta, for sure, but we need to think about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>    - Do we need a VOTE thread for a beta release?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a release. We can call it "beta", "rc" or "mushroom",
>>>>>>>>> it's a release anyway :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 at 22:52 Nicholas Grealy <ni...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:37 Pascal Schumacher <
>>>>>>>>>>> pascalschumacher@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as I remember there was wide support for releasing a 2.5
>>>>>>>>>>>> beta in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the "Release 2.4.6 and 2.5.0-beta?" discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The release announcement for 2.4.6 contained the sentence "...
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared for a 2.5.0-beta release soon!". Tomorrow that will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago, so I think we should make some plans when we start
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> release vote and who will be able to serve as a release manager.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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