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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by Johannes Schaefer <jo...@uidesign.de> on 2005/07/01 10:40:38 UTC
s5 output plugin enhancements
Hi!
Since I'm going to present about Forrest, why not
do it in Forrest itself? So, I had a look at the
s5 slides output plugin.
The documentation is buggy, and some things in the
plugin don't work. I started playing around with
the xsl and css files but before I'm going to change
anything substantial I would like to know if anybody
else is using this plugin and if there are specific
requirements. E.g. presenters at ApacheCon?!
Some questions I have that I still don't know
how to resolve
* Images simply don't show up, might be due to
the s5slides/ additional "directory"
* Also the background image won't show
Then there is (again?!) the question how to
make this plugin configurable, colors etc.
without messing around directly with the CSS.
Cheers
Johannes
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Re: s5 output plugin enhancements
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Ross Gardler wrote:
> Johannes Schaefer wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Since I'm going to present about Forrest, why not
>> do it in Forrest itself? So, I had a look at the
>> s5 slides output plugin.
...
> Yes, we are using it for ApacheCon. Ive made quite a few enhancements
> and fixes but not ound the time to release. I'll upload the new plugin
> now. Download it in 10-15 mins from the time of this mail.
I uploaded now. One more thing to realise, it does not work properly in
a static site, some of the JS files are not copied across. It works fine
if you run dynamically, or if you manually copy the JS files.
See http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR-341
Ross
Re: s5 output plugin enhancements
Posted by Johannes Schaefer <jo...@uidesign.de>.
Ross Gardler schrieb:
<snip/>
>> BTW: nice skin! unfortunately I can't use it :-(
>
>
> Why not?
Corporate Design.
js
>
>
> Ross
>
>
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Re: s5 output plugin enhancements
Posted by Johannes Schaefer <jo...@uidesign.de>.
Hello!
I created a new issue to share my changes.
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR-567
We sure will have to discuss some of them.
I'm still having more things I want to do (time
permitting), e.g. adding (better) handout support.
Please experiment and comment!
Johannes
Johannes Schaefer schrieb:
>
> Ross Gardler schrieb:
> <snip/>
>
>>>I downloaded the updated s5.zip file, extracted it to
>>>FORREST_HOME/plugins and did 'ant' there.
>>
>>
>>No need for the ant. Do "forrest site" to see the docs.
>
>
> if there's already the s5 dir in build/plugins/
> it seems to be necessary.
> js
>
>
>
>>>BTW: nice skin! unfortunately I can't use it :-(
>>
>>
>>Why not?
>>
>>
>>Ross
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: s5 output plugin enhancements
Posted by Johannes Schaefer <jo...@uidesign.de>.
Ross Gardler schrieb:
<snip/>
>> I downloaded the updated s5.zip file, extracted it to
>> FORREST_HOME/plugins and did 'ant' there.
>
>
> No need for the ant. Do "forrest site" to see the docs.
if there's already the s5 dir in build/plugins/
it seems to be necessary.
js
>
>> BTW: nice skin! unfortunately I can't use it :-(
>
>
> Why not?
>
>
> Ross
>
>
--
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Re: s5 output plugin enhancements
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Johannes Schaefer wrote:
> Ross Gardler schrieb:
>
>>Johannes Schaefer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ross Gardler schrieb:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Johannes Schaefer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>>Since I'm going to present about Forrest, why not
>>>>>do it in Forrest itself? So, I had a look at the
>>>>>s5 slides output plugin.
>>
>>
>>...
>>
>>
>>>I'll have a look ... will it show up in svn or
>>>as an update to the official plugin?
>
>
> Is it on purpose that I need to have a s5slides/ folder
> next to the XML source with ui/ and images/ inside?!
> Or am I missing something?
I don't have the time to check in detail right now, but I suspect this
is not on purpose. I think what is happening is this:
The plugin uses the s5sliddes/** URL to identify when something is to be
displayed as a slide (this is bad design I know, it will change to
something like **.s5.html in the future).
As a result if a URL is relative it will become "s5slides/**" which is
not correct.
What needs to be done (and is already done for some image types I think)
is a new pipeline match in resources.xmap (in the plugin) that redirects
the path. Again, this is bad design, and is the kind of use case that I
have been working on the locationmap for.
> I downloaded the updated s5.zip file, extracted it to
> FORREST_HOME/plugins and did 'ant' there.
No need for the ant. Do "forrest site" to see the docs.
> BTW: nice skin! unfortunately I can't use it :-(
Why not?
Ross
Re: s5 output plugin enhancements
Posted by Johannes Schaefer <jo...@uidesign.de>.
Ross Gardler schrieb:
> Johannes Schaefer wrote:
>
>> Ross Gardler schrieb:
>>
>>> Johannes Schaefer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Since I'm going to present about Forrest, why not
>>>> do it in Forrest itself? So, I had a look at the
>>>> s5 slides output plugin.
>
>
> ...
>
>> I'll have a look ... will it show up in svn or
>> as an update to the official plugin?
Is it on purpose that I need to have a s5slides/ folder
next to the XML source with ui/ and images/ inside?!
Or am I missing something?
I downloaded the updated s5.zip file, extracted it to
FORREST_HOME/plugins and did 'ant' there.
BTW: nice skin! unfortunately I can't use it :-(
Johannes
>
>
> Can't put it in SVN as the s5 stuff is GPL. So it is on the plugin
> download site.
>
> Ross
>
>
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Re: s5 output plugin enhancements
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Johannes Schaefer wrote:
> Ross Gardler schrieb:
>
>>Johannes Schaefer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>Since I'm going to present about Forrest, why not
>>>do it in Forrest itself? So, I had a look at the
>>>s5 slides output plugin.
...
> I'll have a look ... will it show up in svn or
> as an update to the official plugin?
Can't put it in SVN as the s5 stuff is GPL. So it is on the plugin
download site.
Ross
Re: s5 output plugin enhancements
Posted by Johannes Schaefer <jo...@uidesign.de>.
Ross Gardler schrieb:
> Johannes Schaefer wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Since I'm going to present about Forrest, why not
>> do it in Forrest itself? So, I had a look at the
>> s5 slides output plugin.
>>
>> The documentation is buggy, and some things in the
>> plugin don't work. I started playing around with
>> the xsl and css files but before I'm going to change
>> anything substantial I would like to know if anybody
>> else is using this plugin and if there are specific
>> requirements. E.g. presenters at ApacheCon?!
>
>
> Yes, we are using it for ApacheCon. Ive made quite a few enhancements
> and fixes but not ound the time to release. I'll upload the new plugin
> now. Download it in 10-15 mins from the time of this mail.
I'll have a look ... will it show up in svn or
as an update to the official plugin?
>
>> Some questions I have that I still don't know
>> how to resolve
>> * Images simply don't show up, might be due to
>> the s5slides/ additional "directory"
>
>
> They do in the zip I'm going to send you.
>
>> * Also the background image won't show
>
>
> Not played with this one. There are background images in ours too. I
found the place to put it (for now):
s5slides/ui/bodybg.gif from where the XML file lives
But I'll see your changes first.
> suggest you ask Ferdinand to send you a copy of our Apachecon
> presentation. I don't want to send it without his permission as it is
> his content too, but you have mine now (please don'r reuse any content
> other than the s5 stuff, we have to assign copyright to ApacheCon).
Don't worry.
>
>> Then there is (again?!) the question how to
>> make this plugin configurable, colors etc.
>> without messing around directly with the CSS.
>
>
> With the S5 plugin you have no choice I'm afraid as the CSS is provided
> by s5 itself and I have not played with extending it yet. The zip I am
> going to send you has a totally different skin to the one in the
> download zip, and there are more skins to download from the s5 project
> site (linked from the plugins home page).
I saw them. Started to get some ornage into it
(see www.uidesign.de ;-)
Thanks for the fast response!
Johannes
>
> Ross
>
>
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Re: s5 output plugin enhancements
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Johannes Schaefer wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Since I'm going to present about Forrest, why not
> do it in Forrest itself? So, I had a look at the
> s5 slides output plugin.
>
> The documentation is buggy, and some things in the
> plugin don't work. I started playing around with
> the xsl and css files but before I'm going to change
> anything substantial I would like to know if anybody
> else is using this plugin and if there are specific
> requirements. E.g. presenters at ApacheCon?!
Yes, we are using it for ApacheCon. Ive made quite a few enhancements
and fixes but not ound the time to release. I'll upload the new plugin
now. Download it in 10-15 mins from the time of this mail.
> Some questions I have that I still don't know
> how to resolve
> * Images simply don't show up, might be due to
> the s5slides/ additional "directory"
They do in the zip I'm going to send you.
> * Also the background image won't show
Not played with this one. There are background images in ours too. I
suggest you ask Ferdinand to send you a copy of our Apachecon
presentation. I don't want to send it without his permission as it is
his content too, but you have mine now (please don'r reuse any content
other than the s5 stuff, we have to assign copyright to ApacheCon).
> Then there is (again?!) the question how to
> make this plugin configurable, colors etc.
> without messing around directly with the CSS.
With the S5 plugin you have no choice I'm afraid as the CSS is provided
by s5 itself and I have not played with extending it yet. The zip I am
going to send you has a totally different skin to the one in the
download zip, and there are more skins to download from the s5 project
site (linked from the plugins home page).
Ross