New committer?

[Oliver Rossmueller <ol...@tuxerra.com>]

If I got it right Sean is a MyFaces committer now. As Sean is 
contributing a lot of stuff for MyFaces, +1 on that. We had some lively 
discussions in the past, anyway: Sean, welcome on board!

But I've a formal question regarding things like that: who decides about 
new committers? Isn't the policy to have a vote on topics like that? (I 
searched the archives so I suppose I did not miss a vote)

Oliver

-- 
Oliver Rossmueller
Software Engineer and IT-Consultant
Hamburg, Germany
http://www.rossmueller.com

Re: New committer?

[Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>]

I passed through your subscription to the pmc internal list, Oliver. 

The pmc list is not used for development discussions, but only for the
occaisional team management issue, such as nominating a new committer
or PMC member.

Another usage hint is that every committer should setup forwarding for
their Apache account. Occaisionally, an alert is sent to all the
committers. (Such as the one about downtime this weekend.)

To setup forwarding, you just need to ssh to www.apache.org, login
using your apache credentials, then

$ cd ~
$ echo (user@your-mail.com) > .forward

-Ted.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:56:37 +0100, Oliver Rossmueller
<ol...@tuxerra.com> wrote:
> Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> 
> > Oliver,
> >
> > there was a vote on MyFAces-PMC mail list.
> > that is list is *only* for committers.
> > That is a common thing for Apache projects.
> >
> > Are you not subscribed to that list?
> 
> Obviously I'm not subscribed to that list. I even did not know this list
> exists. So thank you for the hint.
> 
> Oliver
> 
> >
> > We voted also Stan Silvert
> > and Heath Borders as MyFaces Committers.
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
> >
> >> If I got it right Sean is a MyFaces committer now. As Sean is
> >> contributing a lot of stuff for MyFaces, +1 on that. We had some
> >> lively discussions in the past, anyway: Sean, welcome on board!
> >>
> >> But I've a formal question regarding things like that: who decides
> >> about new committers? Isn't the policy to have a vote on topics like
> >> that? (I searched the archives so I suppose I did not miss a vote)
> >>
> >> Oliver
> >>
> 
> --
> Oliver Rossmueller
> Software Engineer and IT-Consultant
> Hamburg, Germany
> http://www.rossmueller.com
> 
> 


-- 
HTH, Ted.

Re: New committer?

[Oliver Rossmueller <ol...@tuxerra.com>]

Matthias Wessendorf wrote:

> Oliver,
>
> there was a vote on MyFAces-PMC mail list.
> that is list is *only* for committers.
> That is a common thing for Apache projects.
>
> Are you not subscribed to that list?

Obviously I'm not subscribed to that list. I even did not know this list 
exists. So thank you for the hint.

Oliver

>
> We voted also Stan Silvert
> and Heath Borders as MyFaces Committers.
>
> -Matthias
>
> Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
>
>> If I got it right Sean is a MyFaces committer now. As Sean is 
>> contributing a lot of stuff for MyFaces, +1 on that. We had some 
>> lively discussions in the past, anyway: Sean, welcome on board!
>>
>> But I've a formal question regarding things like that: who decides 
>> about new committers? Isn't the policy to have a vote on topics like 
>> that? (I searched the archives so I suppose I did not miss a vote)
>>
>> Oliver
>>


-- 
Oliver Rossmueller
Software Engineer and IT-Consultant
Hamburg, Germany
http://www.rossmueller.com

Re: New committer?

[Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>]

Oh my,

what a mess - so next time, we will need to do things differently.

Maybe we should reopen the election here on the developer mailing list - 

and we just carry over the votes we have casted so far on the PPMC list?

regards,

Martin


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:33:34 +0100, Matthias Wessendorf
<ma...@matthias-wessendorf.de> wrote:
> > Typically what happens is that someone on the PMC will propose someone
> > else as a new committer, on the PMC mailing list. Since this is a
> > private list, the PMC members can feel free to exchange opinions on the
> > proposed person, without fear that their opinion will be made public,
> > and without fear that the proposed nominee might be offended / upset.
> 
> ok, fine :)
> 
> > Once there seems to be concensus that said person would make a good new
> > contributor to the project, someone on the PMC posts a vote on the
> > public developer list, and the real vote takes place there. That is the
> > vote that matters.
> 
> ah! thanks for pointing it out!
> 
> So is the vote "legal" ? Sean, Heath and Stan are selected as new
> committers, and they got their account right now.
> 
> Ok, for next steps we will follow that short guide from you ;)
> 
> -Matthias
> 
> > --
> > Martin Cooper
> >
> >
> >> Matthias
> >>
> >>>> Are you not subscribed to that list?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The PMC list is only for committers who are then elected as PMC members.
> >>>
> >>> I can't get to www.apache.org right at the moment to get you a pointer
> >>> to the processes document (infrastructure remodelling is going on this
> >>> weekend), but you should review those processes carefully.
> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> We voted also Stan Silvert
> >>>> and Heath Borders as MyFaces Committers.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Matthias
> >>>>
> >>>> Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If I got it right Sean is a MyFaces committer now. As Sean is
> >>>>> contributing a lot of stuff for MyFaces, +1 on that. We had some
> >>>>> lively
> >>>>> discussions in the past, anyway: Sean, welcome on board!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I've a formal question regarding things like that: who decides
> >>>>> about
> >>>>> new committers? Isn't the policy to have a vote on topics like
> >>>>> that? (I
> >>>>> searched the archives so I suppose I did not miss a vote)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oliver
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Matthias Weßendorf
> >> Aechterhoek 18
> >> DE-48282 Emsdetten
> >> Germany
> >> phone: +49-2572-9170275
> >> cell phone: +49-179-1118979
> >> email: matzew AT apache DOT org
> >> url: http://www.wessendorf.net
> >> callto://mwessendorf (Skype)
> >> icq: 47016183
> >>
>

Re: New committer?

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@matthias-wessendorf.de>]

> Typically what happens is that someone on the PMC will propose someone 
> else as a new committer, on the PMC mailing list. Since this is a 
> private list, the PMC members can feel free to exchange opinions on the 
> proposed person, without fear that their opinion will be made public, 
> and without fear that the proposed nominee might be offended / upset.

ok, fine :)

> Once there seems to be concensus that said person would make a good new 
> contributor to the project, someone on the PMC posts a vote on the 
> public developer list, and the real vote takes place there. That is the 
> vote that matters.

ah! thanks for pointing it out!

So is the vote "legal" ? Sean, Heath and Stan are selected as new 
committers, and they got their account right now.

Ok, for next steps we will follow that short guide from you ;)

-Matthias

> -- 
> Martin Cooper
> 
> 
>> Matthias
>>
>>>> Are you not subscribed to that list?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The PMC list is only for committers who are then elected as PMC members.
>>>
>>> I can't get to www.apache.org right at the moment to get you a pointer
>>> to the processes document (infrastructure remodelling is going on this
>>> weekend), but you should review those processes carefully.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>> We voted also Stan Silvert
>>>> and Heath Borders as MyFaces Committers.
>>>>
>>>> -Matthias
>>>>
>>>> Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I got it right Sean is a MyFaces committer now. As Sean is
>>>>> contributing a lot of stuff for MyFaces, +1 on that. We had some 
>>>>> lively
>>>>> discussions in the past, anyway: Sean, welcome on board!
>>>>>
>>>>> But I've a formal question regarding things like that: who decides 
>>>>> about
>>>>> new committers? Isn't the policy to have a vote on topics like 
>>>>> that? (I
>>>>> searched the archives so I suppose I did not miss a vote)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Matthias Weßendorf
>> Aechterhoek 18
>> DE-48282 Emsdetten
>> Germany
>> phone: +49-2572-9170275
>> cell phone: +49-179-1118979
>> email: matzew AT apache DOT org
>> url: http://www.wessendorf.net
>> callto://mwessendorf (Skype)
>> icq: 47016183
>>

Re: New committer?

[Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:

>
>> More precisely, those committers that are also PMC members have the
>> only binding votes, but the votes for new committers themselves *must*
>> be held in public, on the developer list.
>
> oh, I have had in mind that it should be a good to do those
> votes on PMC list.
>
> I think we asked that during early incubator times.
>
> I have in mind that some reasons were:
> a) new committer is not selected
> b) new committer is not interessted
>
> that cases are not fine for the PMC/committer
>
> If our thought was wrong, please excuse us!

Typically what happens is that someone on the PMC will propose someone 
else as a new committer, on the PMC mailing list. Since this is a private 
list, the PMC members can feel free to exchange opinions on the proposed 
person, without fear that their opinion will be made public, and without 
fear that the proposed nominee might be offended / upset.

Once there seems to be concensus that said person would make a good new 
contributor to the project, someone on the PMC posts a vote on the public 
developer list, and the real vote takes place there. That is the vote that 
matters.

--
Martin Cooper


> Matthias
>
>>> Are you not subscribed to that list?
>> 
>> 
>> The PMC list is only for committers who are then elected as PMC members.
>> 
>> I can't get to www.apache.org right at the moment to get you a pointer
>> to the processes document (infrastructure remodelling is going on this
>> weekend), but you should review those processes carefully.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>>> We voted also Stan Silvert
>>> and Heath Borders as MyFaces Committers.
>>> 
>>> -Matthias
>>> 
>>> Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If I got it right Sean is a MyFaces committer now. As Sean is
>>>> contributing a lot of stuff for MyFaces, +1 on that. We had some lively
>>>> discussions in the past, anyway: Sean, welcome on board!
>>>> 
>>>> But I've a formal question regarding things like that: who decides about
>>>> new committers? Isn't the policy to have a vote on topics like that? (I
>>>> searched the archives so I suppose I did not miss a vote)
>>>> 
>>>> Oliver
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>
> -- 
> Matthias Weßendorf
> Aechterhoek 18
> DE-48282 Emsdetten
> Germany
> phone: +49-2572-9170275
> cell phone: +49-179-1118979
> email: matzew AT apache DOT org
> url: http://www.wessendorf.net
> callto://mwessendorf (Skype)
> icq: 47016183
>

Re: New committer?

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@matthias-wessendorf.de>]

> More precisely, those committers that are also PMC members have the
> only binding votes, but the votes for new committers themselves *must*
> be held in public, on the developer list.

oh, I have had in mind that it should be a good to do those
votes on PMC list.

I think we asked that during early incubator times.

I have in mind that some reasons were:
a) new committer is not selected
b) new committer is not interessted

that cases are not fine for the PMC/committer

If our thought was wrong, please excuse us!

Matthias

>>Are you not subscribed to that list?
> 
> 
> The PMC list is only for committers who are then elected as PMC members.
> 
> I can't get to www.apache.org right at the moment to get you a pointer
> to the processes document (infrastructure remodelling is going on this
> weekend), but you should review those processes carefully.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>>We voted also Stan Silvert
>>and Heath Borders as MyFaces Committers.
>>
>>-Matthias
>>
>>Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
>>
>>>If I got it right Sean is a MyFaces committer now. As Sean is
>>>contributing a lot of stuff for MyFaces, +1 on that. We had some lively
>>>discussions in the past, anyway: Sean, welcome on board!
>>>
>>>But I've a formal question regarding things like that: who decides about
>>>new committers? Isn't the policy to have a vote on topics like that? (I
>>>searched the archives so I suppose I did not miss a vote)
>>>
>>>Oliver
>>>
>>
> 

-- 
Matthias Weßendorf
Aechterhoek 18
DE-48282 Emsdetten
Germany
phone: +49-2572-9170275
cell phone: +49-179-1118979
email: matzew AT apache DOT org
url: http://www.wessendorf.net
callto://mwessendorf (Skype)
icq: 47016183

Re: New committer?

[Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com>]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:20:26 +0100, Matthias Wessendorf
<ma...@matthias-wessendorf.de> wrote:
> Oliver,
> 
> there was a vote on MyFAces-PMC mail list.
> that is list is *only* for committers.
> That is a common thing for Apache projects.
> 

More precisely, those committers that are also PMC members have the
only binding votes, but the votes for new committers themselves *must*
be held in public, on the developer list.

> Are you not subscribed to that list?

The PMC list is only for committers who are then elected as PMC members.

I can't get to www.apache.org right at the moment to get you a pointer
to the processes document (infrastructure remodelling is going on this
weekend), but you should review those processes carefully.

Craig

> 
> We voted also Stan Silvert
> and Heath Borders as MyFaces Committers.
> 
> -Matthias
> 
> Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
> > If I got it right Sean is a MyFaces committer now. As Sean is
> > contributing a lot of stuff for MyFaces, +1 on that. We had some lively
> > discussions in the past, anyway: Sean, welcome on board!
> >
> > But I've a formal question regarding things like that: who decides about
> > new committers? Isn't the policy to have a vote on topics like that? (I
> > searched the archives so I suppose I did not miss a vote)
> >
> > Oliver
> >
>

Re: New committer?

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@matthias-wessendorf.de>]

Oliver,

there was a vote on MyFAces-PMC mail list.
that is list is *only* for committers.
That is a common thing for Apache projects.

Are you not subscribed to that list?

We voted also Stan Silvert
and Heath Borders as MyFaces Committers.

-Matthias

Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
> If I got it right Sean is a MyFaces committer now. As Sean is 
> contributing a lot of stuff for MyFaces, +1 on that. We had some lively 
> discussions in the past, anyway: Sean, welcome on board!
> 
> But I've a formal question regarding things like that: who decides about 
> new committers? Isn't the policy to have a vote on topics like that? (I 
> searched the archives so I suppose I did not miss a vote)
> 
> Oliver
>