You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to user@velocity.apache.org by David Rees <dr...@ebetinc.com> on 2001/07/17 03:23:45 UTC
Sick of pointless arguments on this list WAS: template encodings
> -----Original Message-----
> From: revusky@jr.revusky.com [mailto:revusky@jr.revusky.com]On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Revusky
>
> Jon Stevens wrote:
> >
> > on 7/16/01 4:35 PM, "Jonathan Revusky" <jr...@terra.es> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, you do seem argumentative, Geir.
> >
> > He is being argumentative in response to you being a complete asshole.
>
> Not a good strategy. If somebody is being a complete asshole, it's
> better just to say that they have good ideas, and you'll take it into
> account and that you appreciate the feedback...
Ugh,
Why do threads on this list always seem to turn into some sort of ego
bashing nightmare? They seem to turn up every couple days. All it does is
add countless messages for me to delete while trying to sift through the
good stuff.
Why don't you guys take your ego-bashing off list and save the rest of us
from your fights? I want to learn about Velocity, not who's the biggest
asshole.
-Dave
RE: Sick of pointless arguments on this list WAS: template encodings
Posted by Paulo Gaspar <pa...@krankikom.de>.
Cool down Jonathan:
You do not have to agree with "us" and "we" do not have to agree with you.
This list supports multiple opinions!
=;o)
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
> -----Original Message-----
> From: revusky@jr.revusky.com [mailto:revusky@jr.revusky.com]On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Revusky
>
>
> "Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote:
> >
> > Does this mean I can't respond to the last message from Jonathan? :)
>
> You don't need to, Geir. I've slept on it and I've decided that you guys
> are right.
>
> template = Velocity.getTemplate("C:\\mytemplates\\mysillytemplate");
>
> should not work out-of-the-box. People should have to read the
> documentation and figure out how to change the configuration. After all,
> if people could get it working without reading docs at all, then all the
> hard work you put into the documentation would be wasted!
>
> But more importantly, things should not work too easily for people. You
> see, though some people may not realize it, the goal of software
> development is not really to develop software. That is merely a side
> effect. The goal is really to build character. If things work too
> easily, then people get lazy. On the other hand, when things are more
> difficult and they have to figure out configuration files and things to
> get a simple example working, they suffer a little bit, and that's
> character-building.
>
> Also, letting people read a template file from an absolute path is a
> security hole. I am still not sure why, but you've said it enough times,
> and you're really smart guys, so I'm convinced that it must be true. You
> may not see much of me for a while. I will probably be on various
> discussion lists for libraries with API's that can take an absolute
> filename as an argument. I will be spreading the word that this is a
> huge security risk in and of itself and that these libraries should have
> the same defaults as Velocity.
>
> >
> > geir
> >
> > --
> > Geir Magnusson Jr. geirm@optonline.net
> > System and Software Consulting
> > Developing for the web? See http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
> > You have a genius for suggesting things I've come a cropper with!
>
> --
> Jonathan Revusky
> --
> available for Java/Delphi/Internet consulting
> If you want to...
> - make your .class files double-clickable with SmartJ
> - do Delphi/Java mixed programming with easy-to-use JNI wrapper classes
> - build robust web applications with the Niggle Application Framework
> then...
> check out the Revusky Hacks Page: http://www.revusky.com/hacks/
>
Re: Sick of pointless arguments on this list WAS: template encodings
Posted by Jonathan Revusky <jr...@terra.es>.
"Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote:
>
> Does this mean I can't respond to the last message from Jonathan? :)
You don't need to, Geir. I've slept on it and I've decided that you guys
are right.
template = Velocity.getTemplate("C:\\mytemplates\\mysillytemplate");
should not work out-of-the-box. People should have to read the
documentation and figure out how to change the configuration. After all,
if people could get it working without reading docs at all, then all the
hard work you put into the documentation would be wasted!
But more importantly, things should not work too easily for people. You
see, though some people may not realize it, the goal of software
development is not really to develop software. That is merely a side
effect. The goal is really to build character. If things work too
easily, then people get lazy. On the other hand, when things are more
difficult and they have to figure out configuration files and things to
get a simple example working, they suffer a little bit, and that's
character-building.
Also, letting people read a template file from an absolute path is a
security hole. I am still not sure why, but you've said it enough times,
and you're really smart guys, so I'm convinced that it must be true. You
may not see much of me for a while. I will probably be on various
discussion lists for libraries with API's that can take an absolute
filename as an argument. I will be spreading the word that this is a
huge security risk in and of itself and that these libraries should have
the same defaults as Velocity.
>
> geir
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr. geirm@optonline.net
> System and Software Consulting
> Developing for the web? See http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
> You have a genius for suggesting things I've come a cropper with!
--
Jonathan Revusky
--
available for Java/Delphi/Internet consulting
If you want to...
- make your .class files double-clickable with SmartJ
- do Delphi/Java mixed programming with easy-to-use JNI wrapper classes
- build robust web applications with the Niggle Application Framework
then...
check out the Revusky Hacks Page: http://www.revusky.com/hacks/
RE: Sick of pointless arguments on this list WAS: template encodings
Posted by David Rees <dr...@ebetinc.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmj@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [mailto:gmj@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net]On
> Behalf Of Geir Magnusson Jr.
>
> Does this mean I can't respond to the last message from Jonathan? :)
One more message can't hurt. ;-)
-Dave
Re: Sick of pointless arguments on this list WAS: template encodings
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
David Rees wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: revusky@jr.revusky.com [mailto:revusky@jr.revusky.com]On Behalf Of
> > Jonathan Revusky
> >
> > Jon Stevens wrote:
> > >
> > > on 7/16/01 4:35 PM, "Jonathan Revusky" <jr...@terra.es> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, you do seem argumentative, Geir.
> > >
> > > He is being argumentative in response to you being a complete asshole.
> >
> > Not a good strategy. If somebody is being a complete asshole, it's
> > better just to say that they have good ideas, and you'll take it into
> > account and that you appreciate the feedback...
>
> Ugh,
>
> Why do threads on this list always seem to turn into some sort of ego
> bashing nightmare? They seem to turn up every couple days. All it does is
> add countless messages for me to delete while trying to sift through the
> good stuff.
>
> Why don't you guys take your ego-bashing off list and save the rest of us
> from your fights? I want to learn about Velocity, not who's the biggest
> asshole.
>
Does this mean I can't respond to the last message from Jonathan? :)
geir
--
Geir Magnusson Jr. geirm@optonline.net
System and Software Consulting
Developing for the web? See http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
You have a genius for suggesting things I've come a cropper with!