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[fx] test specifications

Have we decided which specs we're going to use to test FX support?
Geertjan went through the existing ones and recommended that most of
them be considered obsolete.

On the Synergy home page, we see a new spec "JavaFX - JDK 13 / 8
Projects and Deployments", updated by Scott Palmer. Is this ready for
testing, or does it need more updates? Considering the radical changes
FX has been through, are this one and the existing Scene Builder spec
enough for testing FX support in 12.0?

-- 
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

Re: [fx] test specifications

Posted by Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com>.
I agree that Ant support is less important, but I also think Gradle JavaFX projects should be covered. The OpenJFX project does supply a Gradle plugin after all.

I also agree with simplifying the tests to have less tasks. 

I did begin editing the test specs, then work got busy again and I’m only a few days from an upcoming vacation. I don’t know if I will have time to complete them. 

(As I was working in them I did notice that things did not go smoothly with 11.3. I didn’t have time to dig in.)

Scott

> On Mar 6, 2020, at 5:46 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> I think the focus in the JavaFX area should be very narrowly on Maven
> support.
> 
> Maybe there should only be three tasks in the spec, i.e., I think we should
> focus as narrowly as possible on exactly what we want people to test -- and
> not have lots of tasks that may be less relevant:
> 
> 1. Using the Gluon OpenJFX project templates to set up a project.
> 
> 2. Defining run, debug, etc -- we should provide a tutorial for this,
> though once this is complete, that won't be needed since nbactions will be
> generated by the templates:
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3104
> 
> 3. Integration with JavaFX Scene Builder, if any.
> 
> Gj
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 4:21 PM Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Have we decided which specs we're going to use to test FX support?
>> Geertjan went through the existing ones and recommended that most of
>> them be considered obsolete.
>> 
>> On the Synergy home page, we see a new spec "JavaFX - JDK 13 / 8
>> Projects and Deployments", updated by Scott Palmer. Is this ready for
>> testing, or does it need more updates? Considering the radical changes
>> FX has been through, are this one and the existing Scene Builder spec
>> enough for testing FX support in 12.0?
>> 
>> --
>> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
>> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>> 
>> 
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Re: [fx] test specifications

Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Here, what needs to be done is documented:
https://openjfx.io/openjfx-docs/#IDE-NetBeans

Gj

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:50 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
wrote:

> He’s just following the documentation on openjfx.io.
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 18:44, Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/6/20 10:51 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> > Yes, 0.0.5 is the current release, since a day or two.
>> >
>> > I would recommend to not go with Ernie's work but instead with the
>> official
>> > 0.0.5 and the nbactions that will be generated automatically once the
>> API
>> > is updated to enable an nbactions file to be added when the Maven
>> > co-ordinates are registered:
>> >
>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3104
>> >
>> > Not sure why you're flummoxed by Johan from Gluon being happy with the
>> > Gluon OpenJFX integration in NetBeans. :-)
>>
>> "Flummoxed" in the sense of "confused": he's saying it works great with
>> NetBeans... but how should that be set up?
>>
>> Is the takeaway here that we should wait for the API to be updated
>> (that's on the NetBeans side?) and the coordinates to be registered
>> (that's on the Gluon side)? I'm really looking forward to seeing this
>> all come together!
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
>> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>>
>>
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Re: [fx] test specifications

Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
He’s just following the documentation on openjfx.io.

Gj

On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 18:44, Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
wrote:

> On 3/6/20 10:51 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > Yes, 0.0.5 is the current release, since a day or two.
> >
> > I would recommend to not go with Ernie's work but instead with the
> official
> > 0.0.5 and the nbactions that will be generated automatically once the API
> > is updated to enable an nbactions file to be added when the Maven
> > co-ordinates are registered:
> >
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3104
> >
> > Not sure why you're flummoxed by Johan from Gluon being happy with the
> > Gluon OpenJFX integration in NetBeans. :-)
>
> "Flummoxed" in the sense of "confused": he's saying it works great with
> NetBeans... but how should that be set up?
>
> Is the takeaway here that we should wait for the API to be updated
> (that's on the NetBeans side?) and the coordinates to be registered
> (that's on the Gluon side)? I'm really looking forward to seeing this
> all come together!
>
> --
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
>
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Re: [fx] test specifications

Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.INVALID>.
On 3/6/20 10:51 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Yes, 0.0.5 is the current release, since a day or two.
> 
> I would recommend to not go with Ernie's work but instead with the official
> 0.0.5 and the nbactions that will be generated automatically once the API
> is updated to enable an nbactions file to be added when the Maven
> co-ordinates are registered:
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3104
> 
> Not sure why you're flummoxed by Johan from Gluon being happy with the
> Gluon OpenJFX integration in NetBeans. :-)

"Flummoxed" in the sense of "confused": he's saying it works great with
NetBeans... but how should that be set up?

Is the takeaway here that we should wait for the API to be updated
(that's on the NetBeans side?) and the coordinates to be registered
(that's on the Gluon side)? I'm really looking forward to seeing this
all come together!

-- 
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

Re: [fx] test specifications

Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Yes, 0.0.5 is the current release, since a day or two.

I would recommend to not go with Ernie's work but instead with the official
0.0.5 and the nbactions that will be generated automatically once the API
is updated to enable an nbactions file to be added when the Maven
co-ordinates are registered:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3104

Not sure why you're flummoxed by Johan from Gluon being happy with the
Gluon OpenJFX integration in NetBeans. :-)

Gj

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
wrote:

> On 3/6/20 4:46 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > Maybe there should only be three tasks in the spec, i.e., I think we
> should
> > focus as narrowly as possible on exactly what we want people to test --
> and
> > not have lots of tasks that may be less relevant:
> >
> > 1. Using the Gluon OpenJFX project templates to set up a project.
> >
> > 2. Defining run, debug, etc -- we should provide a tutorial for this,
> > though once this is complete, that won't be needed since nbactions will
> be
> > generated by the templates:
> >
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3104
> >
> > 3. Integration with JavaFX Scene Builder, if any.
>
> I agree. In my opinion, the most important thing is that users should be
> able to create an FX project that will run, debug, profile, and show
> Javadoc without manual intervention (i.e. without editing pom.xml and
> nbactions.xml).
>
> But I'm quite confused as to the current situation.
>
> re. 2), what's the current state of javafx-maven-plugin? It looks from
> bug reports like it's been updated to 0.0.4, but I'm not finding that
> when I search in "Project from Archetype". However, I even see an 0.0.5
> here:
>
> https://search.maven.org/artifact/org.openjfx/javafx-archetype-simple
>
> Then there are Ernie Rael's patches:
>
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202002.mbox/%3C53d5b577-0cce-17c7-72e8-0f5e36435f35%40raelity.com%3E
>
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202002.mbox/%3c4603a0a1-9c8e-2972-42a2-556c4af15499@kolabnow.com%3e
>
> The archetype search in the New Project dialog itself seems confusing,
> since if I search on "Simple JavaFX", I get "Simple JavaFX Maven
> Archetype", versions 0.0.3 and 0.0.1, from org.openjfx (but only if I
> select "Show Older"), and if I search on "rael", I also see a "Simple
> JavaFX Maven Archetype", version 0.0.1, from com.raelity.jfx. All this
> was after a Maven download and index.
>
> See also this, which totally flummoxes me:
>
> https://twitter.com/johanvos/status/1235879784825184258
>
> --
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
>
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Re: [fx] test specifications

Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.INVALID>.
On 3/6/20 4:46 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Maybe there should only be three tasks in the spec, i.e., I think we should
> focus as narrowly as possible on exactly what we want people to test -- and
> not have lots of tasks that may be less relevant:
> 
> 1. Using the Gluon OpenJFX project templates to set up a project.
> 
> 2. Defining run, debug, etc -- we should provide a tutorial for this,
> though once this is complete, that won't be needed since nbactions will be
> generated by the templates:
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3104
> 
> 3. Integration with JavaFX Scene Builder, if any.

I agree. In my opinion, the most important thing is that users should be
able to create an FX project that will run, debug, profile, and show
Javadoc without manual intervention (i.e. without editing pom.xml and
nbactions.xml).

But I'm quite confused as to the current situation.

re. 2), what's the current state of javafx-maven-plugin? It looks from
bug reports like it's been updated to 0.0.4, but I'm not finding that
when I search in "Project from Archetype". However, I even see an 0.0.5
here:

https://search.maven.org/artifact/org.openjfx/javafx-archetype-simple

Then there are Ernie Rael's patches:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202002.mbox/%3C53d5b577-0cce-17c7-72e8-0f5e36435f35%40raelity.com%3E

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/202002.mbox/%3c4603a0a1-9c8e-2972-42a2-556c4af15499@kolabnow.com%3e

The archetype search in the New Project dialog itself seems confusing,
since if I search on "Simple JavaFX", I get "Simple JavaFX Maven
Archetype", versions 0.0.3 and 0.0.1, from org.openjfx (but only if I
select "Show Older"), and if I search on "rael", I also see a "Simple
JavaFX Maven Archetype", version 0.0.1, from com.raelity.jfx. All this
was after a Maven download and index.

See also this, which totally flummoxes me:

https://twitter.com/johanvos/status/1235879784825184258

-- 
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

Re: [fx] test specifications

Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
I think the focus in the JavaFX area should be very narrowly on Maven
support.

Maybe there should only be three tasks in the spec, i.e., I think we should
focus as narrowly as possible on exactly what we want people to test -- and
not have lots of tasks that may be less relevant:

1. Using the Gluon OpenJFX project templates to set up a project.

2. Defining run, debug, etc -- we should provide a tutorial for this,
though once this is complete, that won't be needed since nbactions will be
generated by the templates:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3104

3. Integration with JavaFX Scene Builder, if any.

Gj

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 4:21 PM Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
wrote:

> Have we decided which specs we're going to use to test FX support?
> Geertjan went through the existing ones and recommended that most of
> them be considered obsolete.
>
> On the Synergy home page, we see a new spec "JavaFX - JDK 13 / 8
> Projects and Deployments", updated by Scott Palmer. Is this ready for
> testing, or does it need more updates? Considering the radical changes
> FX has been through, are this one and the existing Scene Builder spec
> enough for testing FX support in 12.0?
>
> --
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
>
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