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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> on 2018/06/13 13:28:27 UTC
[Mentors] Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
Hi mentors,
Is this page something that we need to maintain or is it replaced by
something else and should be considered obsolete:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
Thanks,
Gj
Re: [Mentors] Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID>.
Probably only having 10 PMC members might be a little low with such a big and (hopefully) diverse project.
But I see you get the point. Those who are active and interested in helping to steer the project will be made PMC members.
Just a few general thoughts: Regardless whether in IT or in management, every decission is a tradeoff.
E.g. when always voting in people to committership + PPMC you will get the benefit that you can pick up those who were active a long time on the project already but missed to be on the initial incubation list. Otoh it might be harder to invite new people because to pass the bar for 'just' committership is easier to reach than for becoming a PPMC member immediately.
Anyway, the project is really doing fine as is and there is no 'perfect' solution anyway ;)
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 17.06.2018 um 11:03 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>:
>
> But, I think, when we become a top level project, we should ask each
> individual person who is a committer/PPMC member about how seriously
> they'll be involved in the top level project -- i.e., it's very clear, for
> example, that there are people who are leading this project right now, and
> there's about 10 of them in total, while there are others who are not
> playing a leading role though they're committing code, and may do so to a
> greater or lesser extent over time. Those who are leading, i.e., making
> decisions, starting discussions, driving a particular part of the project,
> we should invite to be on the PMC, once we're at the stage of becoming a
> top level project, while all the others who have been playing a less
> leading role while being committer we should ask what their intentions are
> and if they're planning to raise their profile and activities or not, in
> which case they wouldn't transfer from PPMC to PMC and remain perfectly
> fine as committers.
>
> Anyway, just my perspective.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the further details on this point. At this stage, when we start
>> a vote thread (i.e., in the private mailing list, so only those who are
>> already voted on get to see and respond to the vote threads), we always
>> start off the thread with "I would like to nominate X to become NetBeans
>> committer and PPMC member". I.e., everyone we vote for we vote to be both
>> PPMC member and committer. One reason for this is simplicity, i.e., voting
>> on people for one role and not the other, while we're essentially voting
>> them on to say to them and the community "look, you're great, you've been
>> great on the Apache NetBeans project, we know you, we trust you, we want
>> you to stick around, and we hope you'll become even more involved thanks to
>> this encouraging fact that we've discussed your greatness and voted on it
>> and agreed on it". To then have two levels and voting into these two
>> categories just seems superfluous and is not something we've done or needed
>> to do so far.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not quite sure if this thread is still active, but depending on project
>>> size it would probably make sense to differentiate already during
>>> incubation.
>>>
>>> As Bertrand already explained, the final PMC of the top level project
>>> (TLP) will be defined by the community voting on the graduation proposal.
>>> But removing someone from the PPMC and not move them over to the final PMC
>>> might create some tensions.
>>>
>>> It's important to understand the role of the PMC of a top level project:
>>> they have a binding legal voice on any release votes of the project.
>>> That means they should really be rather active and understand a bit about
>>> IP, copyright, license, notice, etc.
>>> During incubation it's not really a problem if a PPMC doesn't fully
>>> understand what he does. Because there is guidance around and we also have
>>> the IPMC (Incubator general PMC) which is also kind of a quality gate for a
>>> release.
>>>
>>> Apart from that any good argument or good patch counts the same.
>>> Regardless whether you are a 'just' a contributor, already a committer, or
>>> even director of the ASF ;)
>>>
>>> A good argument is a good argument. A good patch is a good patch.
>>> And of course shipping a few good patches/arguments will likely make you
>>> a committer - and later a PMC member - rather soonish.
>>> But depending on the time one likes to invest it's probably perfectly
>>> fine to NOT be on the PMC.
>>> E.g. when I realised that I do not have enough time to watch the Apache
>>> Maven lists every day I decided to retire as a Maven PMC. Even if I still
>>> use and love Maven and commit to it from time to time!
>>> What I try to express: it's perfectly fine to NOT be on the PMC! It just
>>> shows how much time you can/want to invest ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Training the separated committer/PPMC structure will probably make it
>>> easier to graduate and find the list of initial PMC members for the
>>> graduation itself.
>>> But it's an optional way. The only thing is that the project decides
>>> which organisation form they want to use.
>>> So far I was under the impression that NetBeans did have a PPMC +
>>> committers orga.
>>> Note that in many projects 50%..75% of committers are also on the PMC.
>>> There are a few exceptions. And those are imo the very big projects. E.g.
>>> in Maven we have tons of modules. We vote in people as committers who are
>>> dedicating time even if the just help with a single module. But we only
>>> make them PMC members if they really want to also help govern the project.
>>> Hope that makes sense.
>>>
>>> But again: what model the NetBeans project wants to use for itself is up
>>> to the NetBeans community.
>>> The only thing we mentors require is that the rules should be rather
>>> clear and consistently applied.
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 14.06.2018 um 12:05 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
>>> <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>:
>>>>
>>>> Everyone listed as 'committer' should imho be listed as 'PPMC member and
>>>> committer', unless I am mistaken, here:
>>>>
>>>> http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> web's PR#50 [1] is about updating the who-is-who webpage [2].
>>>>>
>>>>> This will be live within a few days. Maybe people want to verify that
>>> the
>>>>> information in the pull request is correct, or otherwise request
>>> changes to
>>>>> the PR.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pull/50
>>>>>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13/06/18 18:18, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, talking to Bertrand about this, it is the fact that
>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html is part of the
>>>>>> Incubator
>>>>>> process but is fine to have links in it instead of hard coded text,
>>> e.g.,
>>>>>> we can remove the committers list from there and have it on
>>>>>> netbeans.apache.org instead, where we can more easily manage it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The canonical place is, restricted to Apache committers, here:
>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi mentors,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this page something that we need to maintain or is it replaced by
>>>>>>> something else and should be considered obsolete:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
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Adjusting the PMC members list before graduation (was: [Mentors]
Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html)
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:03 AM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> ...when we become a top level project, we should ask each
> individual person who is a committer/PPMC member about how seriously
> they'll be involved in the top level project...
One thing that worked well for other podlings is to make a call, when
graduation is about to happen, about who wants to stay on the top
level project's PMC.
Make a call on this list (Bcc to the private list), indicate that
whoever's on the PPMC is invited to be on the PMC (if that's the idea)
and wait about a week for answers.
Add to the new PMC roster *only* the people who reply, indicating by
that that they are following the action and plan to stay involved.
If other PPMC members show up later, during or after graduation, it's
easy to add them to the PMC.
-Bertrand
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Re: [Mentors] Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
But, I think, when we become a top level project, we should ask each
individual person who is a committer/PPMC member about how seriously
they'll be involved in the top level project -- i.e., it's very clear, for
example, that there are people who are leading this project right now, and
there's about 10 of them in total, while there are others who are not
playing a leading role though they're committing code, and may do so to a
greater or lesser extent over time. Those who are leading, i.e., making
decisions, starting discussions, driving a particular part of the project,
we should invite to be on the PMC, once we're at the stage of becoming a
top level project, while all the others who have been playing a less
leading role while being committer we should ask what their intentions are
and if they're planning to raise their profile and activities or not, in
which case they wouldn't transfer from PPMC to PMC and remain perfectly
fine as committers.
Anyway, just my perspective.
Gj
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the further details on this point. At this stage, when we start
> a vote thread (i.e., in the private mailing list, so only those who are
> already voted on get to see and respond to the vote threads), we always
> start off the thread with "I would like to nominate X to become NetBeans
> committer and PPMC member". I.e., everyone we vote for we vote to be both
> PPMC member and committer. One reason for this is simplicity, i.e., voting
> on people for one role and not the other, while we're essentially voting
> them on to say to them and the community "look, you're great, you've been
> great on the Apache NetBeans project, we know you, we trust you, we want
> you to stick around, and we hope you'll become even more involved thanks to
> this encouraging fact that we've discussed your greatness and voted on it
> and agreed on it". To then have two levels and voting into these two
> categories just seems superfluous and is not something we've done or needed
> to do so far.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Not quite sure if this thread is still active, but depending on project
>> size it would probably make sense to differentiate already during
>> incubation.
>>
>> As Bertrand already explained, the final PMC of the top level project
>> (TLP) will be defined by the community voting on the graduation proposal.
>> But removing someone from the PPMC and not move them over to the final PMC
>> might create some tensions.
>>
>> It's important to understand the role of the PMC of a top level project:
>> they have a binding legal voice on any release votes of the project.
>> That means they should really be rather active and understand a bit about
>> IP, copyright, license, notice, etc.
>> During incubation it's not really a problem if a PPMC doesn't fully
>> understand what he does. Because there is guidance around and we also have
>> the IPMC (Incubator general PMC) which is also kind of a quality gate for a
>> release.
>>
>> Apart from that any good argument or good patch counts the same.
>> Regardless whether you are a 'just' a contributor, already a committer, or
>> even director of the ASF ;)
>>
>> A good argument is a good argument. A good patch is a good patch.
>> And of course shipping a few good patches/arguments will likely make you
>> a committer - and later a PMC member - rather soonish.
>> But depending on the time one likes to invest it's probably perfectly
>> fine to NOT be on the PMC.
>> E.g. when I realised that I do not have enough time to watch the Apache
>> Maven lists every day I decided to retire as a Maven PMC. Even if I still
>> use and love Maven and commit to it from time to time!
>> What I try to express: it's perfectly fine to NOT be on the PMC! It just
>> shows how much time you can/want to invest ;)
>>
>>
>> Training the separated committer/PPMC structure will probably make it
>> easier to graduate and find the list of initial PMC members for the
>> graduation itself.
>> But it's an optional way. The only thing is that the project decides
>> which organisation form they want to use.
>> So far I was under the impression that NetBeans did have a PPMC +
>> committers orga.
>> Note that in many projects 50%..75% of committers are also on the PMC.
>> There are a few exceptions. And those are imo the very big projects. E.g.
>> in Maven we have tons of modules. We vote in people as committers who are
>> dedicating time even if the just help with a single module. But we only
>> make them PMC members if they really want to also help govern the project.
>> Hope that makes sense.
>>
>> But again: what model the NetBeans project wants to use for itself is up
>> to the NetBeans community.
>> The only thing we mentors require is that the rules should be rather
>> clear and consistently applied.
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>> > Am 14.06.2018 um 12:05 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
>> <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>:
>> >
>> > Everyone listed as 'committer' should imho be listed as 'PPMC member and
>> > committer', unless I am mistaken, here:
>> >
>> > http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Gj
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> web's PR#50 [1] is about updating the who-is-who webpage [2].
>> >>
>> >> This will be live within a few days. Maybe people want to verify that
>> the
>> >> information in the pull request is correct, or otherwise request
>> changes to
>> >> the PR.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Antonio
>> >>
>> >> [1]
>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pull/50
>> >>
>> >> [2]
>> >> http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 13/06/18 18:18, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> So, talking to Bertrand about this, it is the fact that
>> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html is part of the
>> >>> Incubator
>> >>> process but is fine to have links in it instead of hard coded text,
>> e.g.,
>> >>> we can remove the committers list from there and have it on
>> >>> netbeans.apache.org instead, where we can more easily manage it.
>> >>>
>> >>> The canonical place is, restricted to Apache committers, here:
>> >>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>> >>>
>> >>> Gj
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> >>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi mentors,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Is this page something that we need to maintain or is it replaced by
>> >>>> something else and should be considered obsolete:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Gj
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.ap
>> ache.org
>> >>
>> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [Mentors] Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Thanks for the further details on this point. At this stage, when we start
a vote thread (i.e., in the private mailing list, so only those who are
already voted on get to see and respond to the vote threads), we always
start off the thread with "I would like to nominate X to become NetBeans
committer and PPMC member". I.e., everyone we vote for we vote to be both
PPMC member and committer. One reason for this is simplicity, i.e., voting
on people for one role and not the other, while we're essentially voting
them on to say to them and the community "look, you're great, you've been
great on the Apache NetBeans project, we know you, we trust you, we want
you to stick around, and we hope you'll become even more involved thanks to
this encouraging fact that we've discussed your greatness and voted on it
and agreed on it". To then have two levels and voting into these two
categories just seems superfluous and is not something we've done or needed
to do so far.
Gj
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>
wrote:
> Not quite sure if this thread is still active, but depending on project
> size it would probably make sense to differentiate already during
> incubation.
>
> As Bertrand already explained, the final PMC of the top level project
> (TLP) will be defined by the community voting on the graduation proposal.
> But removing someone from the PPMC and not move them over to the final PMC
> might create some tensions.
>
> It's important to understand the role of the PMC of a top level project:
> they have a binding legal voice on any release votes of the project.
> That means they should really be rather active and understand a bit about
> IP, copyright, license, notice, etc.
> During incubation it's not really a problem if a PPMC doesn't fully
> understand what he does. Because there is guidance around and we also have
> the IPMC (Incubator general PMC) which is also kind of a quality gate for a
> release.
>
> Apart from that any good argument or good patch counts the same.
> Regardless whether you are a 'just' a contributor, already a committer, or
> even director of the ASF ;)
>
> A good argument is a good argument. A good patch is a good patch.
> And of course shipping a few good patches/arguments will likely make you a
> committer - and later a PMC member - rather soonish.
> But depending on the time one likes to invest it's probably perfectly fine
> to NOT be on the PMC.
> E.g. when I realised that I do not have enough time to watch the Apache
> Maven lists every day I decided to retire as a Maven PMC. Even if I still
> use and love Maven and commit to it from time to time!
> What I try to express: it's perfectly fine to NOT be on the PMC! It just
> shows how much time you can/want to invest ;)
>
>
> Training the separated committer/PPMC structure will probably make it
> easier to graduate and find the list of initial PMC members for the
> graduation itself.
> But it's an optional way. The only thing is that the project decides which
> organisation form they want to use.
> So far I was under the impression that NetBeans did have a PPMC +
> committers orga.
> Note that in many projects 50%..75% of committers are also on the PMC.
> There are a few exceptions. And those are imo the very big projects. E.g.
> in Maven we have tons of modules. We vote in people as committers who are
> dedicating time even if the just help with a single module. But we only
> make them PMC members if they really want to also help govern the project.
> Hope that makes sense.
>
> But again: what model the NetBeans project wants to use for itself is up
> to the NetBeans community.
> The only thing we mentors require is that the rules should be rather clear
> and consistently applied.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 14.06.2018 um 12:05 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>:
> >
> > Everyone listed as 'committer' should imho be listed as 'PPMC member and
> > committer', unless I am mistaken, here:
> >
> > http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> web's PR#50 [1] is about updating the who-is-who webpage [2].
> >>
> >> This will be live within a few days. Maybe people want to verify that
> the
> >> information in the pull request is correct, or otherwise request
> changes to
> >> the PR.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Antonio
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pull/50
> >>
> >> [2]
> >> http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
> >>
> >>
> >> On 13/06/18 18:18, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>
> >>> So, talking to Bertrand about this, it is the fact that
> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html is part of the
> >>> Incubator
> >>> process but is fine to have links in it instead of hard coded text,
> e.g.,
> >>> we can remove the committers list from there and have it on
> >>> netbeans.apache.org instead, where we can more easily manage it.
> >>>
> >>> The canonical place is, restricted to Apache committers, here:
> >>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi mentors,
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this page something that we need to maintain or is it replaced by
> >>>> something else and should be considered obsolete:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Gj
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>
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> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
Re: [Mentors] Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID>.
Not quite sure if this thread is still active, but depending on project size it would probably make sense to differentiate already during incubation.
As Bertrand already explained, the final PMC of the top level project (TLP) will be defined by the community voting on the graduation proposal. But removing someone from the PPMC and not move them over to the final PMC might create some tensions.
It's important to understand the role of the PMC of a top level project: they have a binding legal voice on any release votes of the project.
That means they should really be rather active and understand a bit about IP, copyright, license, notice, etc.
During incubation it's not really a problem if a PPMC doesn't fully understand what he does. Because there is guidance around and we also have the IPMC (Incubator general PMC) which is also kind of a quality gate for a release.
Apart from that any good argument or good patch counts the same. Regardless whether you are a 'just' a contributor, already a committer, or even director of the ASF ;)
A good argument is a good argument. A good patch is a good patch.
And of course shipping a few good patches/arguments will likely make you a committer - and later a PMC member - rather soonish.
But depending on the time one likes to invest it's probably perfectly fine to NOT be on the PMC.
E.g. when I realised that I do not have enough time to watch the Apache Maven lists every day I decided to retire as a Maven PMC. Even if I still use and love Maven and commit to it from time to time!
What I try to express: it's perfectly fine to NOT be on the PMC! It just shows how much time you can/want to invest ;)
Training the separated committer/PPMC structure will probably make it easier to graduate and find the list of initial PMC members for the graduation itself.
But it's an optional way. The only thing is that the project decides which organisation form they want to use.
So far I was under the impression that NetBeans did have a PPMC + committers orga.
Note that in many projects 50%..75% of committers are also on the PMC.
There are a few exceptions. And those are imo the very big projects. E.g. in Maven we have tons of modules. We vote in people as committers who are dedicating time even if the just help with a single module. But we only make them PMC members if they really want to also help govern the project.
Hope that makes sense.
But again: what model the NetBeans project wants to use for itself is up to the NetBeans community.
The only thing we mentors require is that the rules should be rather clear and consistently applied.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 14.06.2018 um 12:05 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>:
>
> Everyone listed as 'committer' should imho be listed as 'PPMC member and
> committer', unless I am mistaken, here:
>
> http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> web's PR#50 [1] is about updating the who-is-who webpage [2].
>>
>> This will be live within a few days. Maybe people want to verify that the
>> information in the pull request is correct, or otherwise request changes to
>> the PR.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Antonio
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pull/50
>>
>> [2]
>> http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
>>
>>
>> On 13/06/18 18:18, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>
>>> So, talking to Bertrand about this, it is the fact that
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html is part of the
>>> Incubator
>>> process but is fine to have links in it instead of hard coded text, e.g.,
>>> we can remove the committers list from there and have it on
>>> netbeans.apache.org instead, where we can more easily manage it.
>>>
>>> The canonical place is, restricted to Apache committers, here:
>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi mentors,
>>>>
>>>> Is this page something that we need to maintain or is it replaced by
>>>> something else and should be considered obsolete:
>>>>
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [Mentors] Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Everyone listed as 'committer' should imho be listed as 'PPMC member and
committer', unless I am mistaken, here:
http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
Thanks,
Gj
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> web's PR#50 [1] is about updating the who-is-who webpage [2].
>
> This will be live within a few days. Maybe people want to verify that the
> information in the pull request is correct, or otherwise request changes to
> the PR.
>
> Thanks,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pull/50
>
> [2]
> http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
>
>
> On 13/06/18 18:18, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
>> So, talking to Bertrand about this, it is the fact that
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html is part of the
>> Incubator
>> process but is fine to have links in it instead of hard coded text, e.g.,
>> we can remove the committers list from there and have it on
>> netbeans.apache.org instead, where we can more easily manage it.
>>
>> The canonical place is, restricted to Apache committers, here:
>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi mentors,
>>>
>>> Is this page something that we need to maintain or is it replaced by
>>> something else and should be considered obsolete:
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [Mentors] Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi,
web's PR#50 [1] is about updating the who-is-who webpage [2].
This will be live within a few days. Maybe people want to verify that
the information in the pull request is correct, or otherwise request
changes to the PR.
Thanks,
Antonio
[1]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pull/50
[2]
http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
On 13/06/18 18:18, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> So, talking to Bertrand about this, it is the fact that
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html is part of the Incubator
> process but is fine to have links in it instead of hard coded text, e.g.,
> we can remove the committers list from there and have it on
> netbeans.apache.org instead, where we can more easily manage it.
>
> The canonical place is, restricted to Apache committers, here:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi mentors,
>>
>> Is this page something that we need to maintain or is it replaced by
>> something else and should be considered obsolete:
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gj
>>
>
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Re: [Mentors] Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
So, talking to Bertrand about this, it is the fact that
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html is part of the Incubator
process but is fine to have links in it instead of hard coded text, e.g.,
we can remove the committers list from there and have it on
netbeans.apache.org instead, where we can more easily manage it.
The canonical place is, restricted to Apache committers, here:
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
Gj
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi mentors,
>
> Is this page something that we need to maintain or is it replaced by
> something else and should be considered obsolete:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>