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Posted to dev@jspwiki.apache.org by Ichiro Furusato <ic...@gmail.com> on 2014/01/04 14:17:45 UTC
Tagging pages on the Apache JSPWiki public site
I note as the new wiki is up and running: before everyone goes through and
adds all the category
links, is there any desire to instead use the TagPlugin we have as part of
the Neocortext Wiki
Plugins? This provides a means of tagging pages, with querying on tags
available via the
HasTagOf plugin. There's also a tag cloud plugin.
Just thought before everyone puts a ton of effort in to categorising the
wiki using normal links,
tags might be preferred.
If so, I could probably release just the tagging features as a separate
jar, apart from the bulk of the
rest of the Neocortext plugins.
Let me know what you all think, if the Apache site needs to be entirely
Apache-only or if it could
use a contributed plugin. (we don't plan to release our plugins into the
Apache project but plan
to distribute them ourselves via an Apache license)
Cheers,
Ichiro
Re: Tagging pages on the Apache JSPWiki public site
Posted by Ichiro Furusato <ic...@gmail.com>.
Hi Peter,
Yes, I have the sources. They were originally written by Murray Altheim and
I am now maintaining them. We will be releasing the TagPlugin and other
plugins (including source code) as part of the Neocortext Wiki Plugin suite
after they have been tested for compatibility with the new release of
JSPWiki 2.10.x, i.e., after things have settled down a bit.
Thanks for the link to your wiki, as this shows the tag plugin and tag cloud
in action. As I've mentioned previously, the look and feel of both is
dictated
by CSS.
Ichiro
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Peter Hormanns <pe...@jalin.de>wrote:
> Hi Ichiro,
>
> Am 04.01.2014 21:27, schrieb Ichiro Furusato:
> >
> > [{Tag Actor Person Male French }]
>
> do you have the source code for these plugins ?
>
> I'm using this Plugins in a public wiki:
> http://www.lug-kr.de (Sorry, it's only in german)
>
> I didn't archive the sources. And they are no longer available on the
> Internet.
>
> Regards, Peter
>
> --
> Peter Hormanns - Informatikbüro Hormanns & Wenz
> Ostwall 195, 47798 Krefeld - Tel. 02151 3274911
> http://www.hormanns-wenz.de
>
>
Re: Tagging pages on the Apache JSPWiki public site
Posted by Peter Hormanns <pe...@jalin.de>.
Hi Ichiro,
Am 04.01.2014 21:27, schrieb Ichiro Furusato:
>
> [{Tag Actor Person Male French }]
do you have the source code for these plugins ?
I'm using this Plugins in a public wiki:
http://www.lug-kr.de (Sorry, it's only in german)
I didn't archive the sources. And they are no longer available on the
Internet.
Regards, Peter
--
Peter Hormanns - Informatikbüro Hormanns & Wenz
Ostwall 195, 47798 Krefeld - Tel. 02151 3274911
http://www.hormanns-wenz.de
Re: Tagging pages on the Apache JSPWiki public site
Posted by Ichiro Furusato <ic...@gmail.com>.
Sorry, it's currently installed only on some intranet wikis, nothing
public.
Basically, the advantages are:
* tags are not simply links and mixed in with the semantics and processing
of normal links, so they don't have use funky names (such as starting
with "Category*". I think this allows users to understand the difference
between a link and a tag as being different things.
* The tag syntax is relatively simple:
[{Tag Actor Person Male French }]
* Tags are required to be wiki pages so that the meaning
of each tag is documented. This keeps people from creating bad tags,
misspelled tags, etc. (a common problem in tagging systems)
* there is a TagManager that can be queried for the existence of tags,
either across the wiki or for a specific page. This is used in listing
all
of the tags for a page (TagsPlugin, alias "Tags"), or all the pages that
contain a specific tag (HasTagOfPlugin, alias "HasTagOf").
* The HasTagOf plugin permits simple logic to query tags, e.g.,
[{HasTagOf ( ( tag1 AND tag2 ) NOT ( tag3 OR tag4 ) ) }]
This includes an "exclude" parameter to exclude pages from the final
result.
* The display of the plugins is dictated by CSS, so they look as different
as one likes (e.g., with or without borders, colours, etc.)
* The tagging feature has been in production use for over eight years.
* A plugin akin to the IfPlugin could be written to actually operate upon
the results of a tag query. We've been thinking about this one for
awhile,
just haven't had the requirement. But hooking it into Javascript/JQuery
could produce some cool tag-based features.
* I'll provide documentation for all of the tags and how to use them on
the j-wiki.a.o wiki.
We would of course be releasing not only the jar but the source as well.
Ichiro
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <
juanpablo.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ichiro,
>
> asking the same question as Harry, but putting it on another way: do you
> have a public wiki with the tag plugin? looking how it looks/behaves would
> help me seeing the differences
>
> (as a side note, there is no need nor obligation to have j-wiki.a.o to be
> Apache only, although it would be nice to have a "plain" JSPWiki, to show
> off it's capabilities; that would also help when upgrading the wiki)
>
>
> thanks & br,
> juan pablo
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ichiro,
> >
> > how would we tag pages in that case?
> > And what would be the advantage of tagging pages this way versus
> "tagging"
> > them with a link to Category.documentation ?
> >
> > regards,
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4 January 2014 14:17, Ichiro Furusato <ic...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I note as the new wiki is up and running: before everyone goes through
> > and
> > > adds all the category
> > > links, is there any desire to instead use the TagPlugin we have as part
> > of
> > > the Neocortext Wiki
> > > Plugins? This provides a means of tagging pages, with querying on tags
> > > available via the
> > > HasTagOf plugin. There's also a tag cloud plugin.
> > >
> > > Just thought before everyone puts a ton of effort in to categorising
> the
> > > wiki using normal links,
> > > tags might be preferred.
> > >
> > > If so, I could probably release just the tagging features as a separate
> > > jar, apart from the bulk of the
> > > rest of the Neocortext plugins.
> > >
> > > Let me know what you all think, if the Apache site needs to be entirely
> > > Apache-only or if it could
> > > use a contributed plugin. (we don't plan to release our plugins into
> the
> > > Apache project but plan
> > > to distribute them ourselves via an Apache license)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Ichiro
> > >
> >
>
Re: Tagging pages on the Apache JSPWiki public site
Posted by Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ichiro,
asking the same question as Harry, but putting it on another way: do you
have a public wiki with the tag plugin? looking how it looks/behaves would
help me seeing the differences
(as a side note, there is no need nor obligation to have j-wiki.a.o to be
Apache only, although it would be nice to have a "plain" JSPWiki, to show
off it's capabilities; that would also help when upgrading the wiki)
thanks & br,
juan pablo
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ichiro,
>
> how would we tag pages in that case?
> And what would be the advantage of tagging pages this way versus "tagging"
> them with a link to Category.documentation ?
>
> regards,
> Harry
>
>
>
> On 4 January 2014 14:17, Ichiro Furusato <ic...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I note as the new wiki is up and running: before everyone goes through
> and
> > adds all the category
> > links, is there any desire to instead use the TagPlugin we have as part
> of
> > the Neocortext Wiki
> > Plugins? This provides a means of tagging pages, with querying on tags
> > available via the
> > HasTagOf plugin. There's also a tag cloud plugin.
> >
> > Just thought before everyone puts a ton of effort in to categorising the
> > wiki using normal links,
> > tags might be preferred.
> >
> > If so, I could probably release just the tagging features as a separate
> > jar, apart from the bulk of the
> > rest of the Neocortext plugins.
> >
> > Let me know what you all think, if the Apache site needs to be entirely
> > Apache-only or if it could
> > use a contributed plugin. (we don't plan to release our plugins into the
> > Apache project but plan
> > to distribute them ourselves via an Apache license)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ichiro
> >
>
Re: Tagging pages on the Apache JSPWiki public site
Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
Ichiro,
how would we tag pages in that case?
And what would be the advantage of tagging pages this way versus "tagging"
them with a link to Category.documentation ?
regards,
Harry
On 4 January 2014 14:17, Ichiro Furusato <ic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I note as the new wiki is up and running: before everyone goes through and
> adds all the category
> links, is there any desire to instead use the TagPlugin we have as part of
> the Neocortext Wiki
> Plugins? This provides a means of tagging pages, with querying on tags
> available via the
> HasTagOf plugin. There's also a tag cloud plugin.
>
> Just thought before everyone puts a ton of effort in to categorising the
> wiki using normal links,
> tags might be preferred.
>
> If so, I could probably release just the tagging features as a separate
> jar, apart from the bulk of the
> rest of the Neocortext plugins.
>
> Let me know what you all think, if the Apache site needs to be entirely
> Apache-only or if it could
> use a contributed plugin. (we don't plan to release our plugins into the
> Apache project but plan
> to distribute them ourselves via an Apache license)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ichiro
>