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Posted to legal-discuss@apache.org by Henning Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de> on 2006/05/26 11:49:35 UTC
Question about SUN JAI Jars
Hi,
some time ago, I've asked about including Sun Jars into binary
distributions (as e.g. Tomcat 4.1 does). The discussion did somehow went
nowhere, so I'd like to raise (yes, I know, no one really wants to hear
about that again anymore) the question for the following situation:
There is a framework for rendering DocBook documentation in SVN at
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jakarta/velocity/docbook/trunk/
This is not something that should be distributed in a formal way, it
just sits there and gets checked out and occasionally "ant" is called in
its base directory to render docbook source files.
Its end-users could hugely benefit from the inclusion of the
jai_core.jar and jai_codec.jars which currently must be downloaded from
https://jai.dev.java.net/binary-builds.html#Stable_builds_1.1.3 (note
that there is no "click through" license agreement) and put into the lib
subdirectory to get the PDF rendering to work, as described in
README.FIRST.
I've checked the LICENSE-JDL.txt file included with the stable release
(http://download.java.net/media/jai/builds/stable/1_1_3-dr-b01/jai-1_1_3-dr-b01-lib-linux-i586.zip) but IANAL. What I'd like to know is whether there is some way to include these two jars into the repository (because, as I said, the whole framework will probably not be distributed, it is just the environment to build the stuff that is distributed (the documentation).
Help :-)
Best regards
Henning
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Re: Question about SUN JAI Jars
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
On Fri, 26 May 2006, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> On May 26, 2006, at 2:49 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
>
>> I've checked the LICENSE-JDL.txt file included with the stable release
>> (http://download.java.net/media/jai/builds/stable/1_1_3-dr-b01/
>> jai-1_1_3-dr-b01-lib-linux-i586.zip) but IANAL. What I'd like to know is
>> whether there is some way to include these two jars into the repository
>> (because, as I said, the whole framework will probably not be distributed,
>> it is just the environment to build the stuff that is distributed (the
>> documentation).
>
> No, the repository does not fulfill the terms of that license. They
> require the agreement to be made via click-through terms. You should
> distribute a build script instead that downloads the jars from Sun.
Anyone have any thoughts on whether this is worth asking them to consider
CDDL for the next release? It mentions TCK a lot, does that make it less
likely for them to want to CDDL?
Hen
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Re: Question about SUN JAI Jars
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>.
On May 26, 2006, at 2:49 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> I've checked the LICENSE-JDL.txt file included with the stable release
> (http://download.java.net/media/jai/builds/stable/1_1_3-dr-b01/
> jai-1_1_3-dr-b01-lib-linux-i586.zip) but IANAL. What I'd like to
> know is whether there is some way to include these two jars into
> the repository (because, as I said, the whole framework will
> probably not be distributed, it is just the environment to build
> the stuff that is distributed (the documentation).
No, the repository does not fulfill the terms of that license. They
require the agreement to be made via click-through terms. You should
distribute a build script instead that downloads the jars from Sun.
....Roy
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Re: Question about SUN JAI Jars
Posted by Henning Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de>.
The license for every release of the JAI libs is different (current
release is different from 1.1.3-stable, is different from 1.1.3-beta).
I've attached the license file from the zip.
Best regards
Henning
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 11:32 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:
> Looks like you're in moderation on legal-discuss.
>
> Probably speed things up there if you can post a url to the
> LICENSE-JDL.txt, or attach it. Or if you can tell the type of license it
> is (BCL, SISSL, CDDL, etc), then that can turn it into a pretty easy
> answer (no, no, yes, depends).
>
> Have you seen this?
>
> http://people.apache.org/~cliffs/3party.html
>
> Hen
>
> On Fri, 26 May 2006, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > some time ago, I've asked about including Sun Jars into binary
> > distributions (as e.g. Tomcat 4.1 does). The discussion did somehow went
> > nowhere, so I'd like to raise (yes, I know, no one really wants to hear
> > about that again anymore) the question for the following situation:
> >
> > There is a framework for rendering DocBook documentation in SVN at
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jakarta/velocity/docbook/trunk/
> >
> > This is not something that should be distributed in a formal way, it
> > just sits there and gets checked out and occasionally "ant" is called in
> > its base directory to render docbook source files.
> >
> > Its end-users could hugely benefit from the inclusion of the
> > jai_core.jar and jai_codec.jars which currently must be downloaded from
> > https://jai.dev.java.net/binary-builds.html#Stable_builds_1.1.3 (note
> > that there is no "click through" license agreement) and put into the lib
> > subdirectory to get the PDF rendering to work, as described in
> > README.FIRST.
> >
> > I've checked the LICENSE-JDL.txt file included with the stable release
> > (http://download.java.net/media/jai/builds/stable/1_1_3-dr-b01/jai-1_1_3-dr-b01-lib-linux-i586.zip) but IANAL. What I'd like to know is whether there is some way to include these two jars into the repository (because, as I said, the whole framework will probably not be distributed, it is just the environment to build the stuff that is distributed (the documentation).
> >
> > Help :-)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Henning
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH
> > hps@intermeta.de +49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/
> >
> > RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development
> > Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Engineering
> >
> > Social behaviour: Bavarians can be extremely egalitarian and folksy.
> > -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria
> > Most Franconians do not like to be called Bavarians.
> > -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franconia
> >
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Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH
hps@intermeta.de +49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/
RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development
Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Engineering
Social behaviour: Bavarians can be extremely egalitarian and folksy.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria
Most Franconians do not like to be called Bavarians.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franconia