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Posted to dev@jmeter.apache.org by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> on 2017/07/20 05:35:00 UTC
JMeter project analytics
Hello,
I was wondering about how many users / downloads does JMeter have and
I couldn't find such information except indirectly via the usage
statistics from http://www.jmeter-plugins.org/stats/
Just yesterday we were discussing about MongoDB support which is
deprecated since it's not used very much but usage is measured
indirectly from support questions.
Are there any other sources of such info?
I believe it would be healthy for JMeter to actively measure such
usage info in order to better decide the future.
A while back NetBeans measured anonymously various metrics in order to
prioritise work. Information such as this
http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/projecttypes.jsp and
this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/databaseservers.jsp
and this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/technologies.jsp
help determine which plugin deserves extra attention and which is
heading towards deprecation.
So, we should think about how we could implement something like this
while respecting the Apache rules surrounding user data.
--emi
Re: JMeter project analytics
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 20 July 2017 at 06:53, Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Emilian,
> In the past it was possible through Apache to know number of downloads.
Huh?
> With mirrors it appears we lost this precious (IMO) info.
The ASF has used 3rd party mirrors for ages, probably from before
JMeter was started.
There has never been a way to measure what downloads are made through
the 3rd party mirrors, so I'm not sure what information you think has
been lost.
> What you propose is a good idea but there are many issues:
> - privacy if we use something like GA
> - all users behind enterprise proxies or with a bad network
> - plus amount of work
Agreed.
> For now we use:
> - number of issues reported
> - questions on SO and mailing lists
Agreed.
> IMO, we should concentrate our efforts on:
> - http2 support
> - fix on undo/redo . With your experience of Netbeans , would you have an
> idea for that missing and always requested feature
> - fix caching of resources in already cached resources
>
> Thanks for your recent works !
> Regards
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2017, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering about how many users / downloads does JMeter have and
>> I couldn't find such information except indirectly via the usage
>> statistics from http://www.jmeter-plugins.org/stats/
>>
>> Just yesterday we were discussing about MongoDB support which is
>> deprecated since it's not used very much but usage is measured
>> indirectly from support questions.
>>
>> Are there any other sources of such info?
>>
>> I believe it would be healthy for JMeter to actively measure such
>> usage info in order to better decide the future.
>>
>> A while back NetBeans measured anonymously various metrics in order to
>> prioritise work. Information such as this
>> http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/projecttypes.jsp and
>> this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/databaseservers.jsp
>> and this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/technologies.jsp
>> help determine which plugin deserves extra attention and which is
>> heading towards deprecation.
>>
>> So, we should think about how we could implement something like this
>> while respecting the Apache rules surrounding user data.
>>
>> --emi
>>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: JMeter project analytics
Posted by Felix Schumacher <fe...@internetallee.de>.
Am 20.07.2017 um 20:53 schrieb Philippe Mouawad:
> Hello Emilian,
>
> We could possibily use GA with events for that.
> Of course if anybody wants to investigate the legal/privacy part (and all
> the impacts accross all countries which highly differ ) and volunteer code
> why not.
> You should create a bugzilla so that it's in our records.
I think the legal/privacy part is really important as well as the usage
of such a feature behind a firewall. I had software, that started really
slow because of a phone home feature, that had to timeout before the
software started.
Felix
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't discard this because it needs work. There must be some way
>> to get some data and still preserve privacy (see Apple's Differential
>> Privacy and Google's RAPPOR[1] paper).
>>
>> 1. http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/
>> archive/42852.pdf
>>
>> --emi
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Philippe Mouawad
>> <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Emilian,
>>> In the past it was possible through Apache to know number of downloads.
>>> With mirrors it appears we lost this precious (IMO) info.
>>>
>>> What you propose is a good idea but there are many issues:
>>> - privacy if we use something like GA
>>> - all users behind enterprise proxies or with a bad network
>>> - plus amount of work
>>>
>>> For now we use:
>>> - number of issues reported
>>> - questions on SO and mailing lists
>>>
>>> IMO, we should concentrate our efforts on:
>>> - http2 support
>>> - fix on undo/redo . With your experience of Netbeans , would you have an
>>> idea for that missing and always requested feature
>>> - fix caching of resources in already cached resources
>>>
>>> Thanks for your recent works !
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2017, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering about how many users / downloads does JMeter have and
>>>> I couldn't find such information except indirectly via the usage
>>>> statistics from http://www.jmeter-plugins.org/stats/
>>>>
>>>> Just yesterday we were discussing about MongoDB support which is
>>>> deprecated since it's not used very much but usage is measured
>>>> indirectly from support questions.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any other sources of such info?
>>>>
>>>> I believe it would be healthy for JMeter to actively measure such
>>>> usage info in order to better decide the future.
>>>>
>>>> A while back NetBeans measured anonymously various metrics in order to
>>>> prioritise work. Information such as this
>>>> http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/projecttypes.jsp and
>>>> this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/databaseservers.jsp
>>>> and this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/
>> technologies.jsp
>>>> help determine which plugin deserves extra attention and which is
>>>> heading towards deprecation.
>>>>
>>>> So, we should think about how we could implement something like this
>>>> while respecting the Apache rules surrounding user data.
>>>>
>>>> --emi
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cordialement.
>>> Philippe Mouawad.
>
>
Re: JMeter project analytics
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
Hello Emilian,
We could possibily use GA with events for that.
Of course if anybody wants to investigate the legal/privacy part (and all
the impacts accross all countries which highly differ ) and volunteer code
why not.
You should create a bugzilla so that it's in our records.
Regards
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I wouldn't discard this because it needs work. There must be some way
> to get some data and still preserve privacy (see Apple's Differential
> Privacy and Google's RAPPOR[1] paper).
>
> 1. http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/
> archive/42852.pdf
>
> --emi
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Philippe Mouawad
> <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello Emilian,
> > In the past it was possible through Apache to know number of downloads.
> > With mirrors it appears we lost this precious (IMO) info.
> >
> > What you propose is a good idea but there are many issues:
> > - privacy if we use something like GA
> > - all users behind enterprise proxies or with a bad network
> > - plus amount of work
> >
> > For now we use:
> > - number of issues reported
> > - questions on SO and mailing lists
> >
> > IMO, we should concentrate our efforts on:
> > - http2 support
> > - fix on undo/redo . With your experience of Netbeans , would you have an
> > idea for that missing and always requested feature
> > - fix caching of resources in already cached resources
> >
> > Thanks for your recent works !
> > Regards
> >
> > On Thursday, July 20, 2017, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I was wondering about how many users / downloads does JMeter have and
> >> I couldn't find such information except indirectly via the usage
> >> statistics from http://www.jmeter-plugins.org/stats/
> >>
> >> Just yesterday we were discussing about MongoDB support which is
> >> deprecated since it's not used very much but usage is measured
> >> indirectly from support questions.
> >>
> >> Are there any other sources of such info?
> >>
> >> I believe it would be healthy for JMeter to actively measure such
> >> usage info in order to better decide the future.
> >>
> >> A while back NetBeans measured anonymously various metrics in order to
> >> prioritise work. Information such as this
> >> http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/projecttypes.jsp and
> >> this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/databaseservers.jsp
> >> and this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/
> technologies.jsp
> >> help determine which plugin deserves extra attention and which is
> >> heading towards deprecation.
> >>
> >> So, we should think about how we could implement something like this
> >> while respecting the Apache rules surrounding user data.
> >>
> >> --emi
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cordialement.
> > Philippe Mouawad.
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: JMeter project analytics
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
I wouldn't discard this because it needs work. There must be some way
to get some data and still preserve privacy (see Apple's Differential
Privacy and Google's RAPPOR[1] paper).
1. http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/archive/42852.pdf
--emi
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Philippe Mouawad
<ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Emilian,
> In the past it was possible through Apache to know number of downloads.
> With mirrors it appears we lost this precious (IMO) info.
>
> What you propose is a good idea but there are many issues:
> - privacy if we use something like GA
> - all users behind enterprise proxies or with a bad network
> - plus amount of work
>
> For now we use:
> - number of issues reported
> - questions on SO and mailing lists
>
> IMO, we should concentrate our efforts on:
> - http2 support
> - fix on undo/redo . With your experience of Netbeans , would you have an
> idea for that missing and always requested feature
> - fix caching of resources in already cached resources
>
> Thanks for your recent works !
> Regards
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2017, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering about how many users / downloads does JMeter have and
>> I couldn't find such information except indirectly via the usage
>> statistics from http://www.jmeter-plugins.org/stats/
>>
>> Just yesterday we were discussing about MongoDB support which is
>> deprecated since it's not used very much but usage is measured
>> indirectly from support questions.
>>
>> Are there any other sources of such info?
>>
>> I believe it would be healthy for JMeter to actively measure such
>> usage info in order to better decide the future.
>>
>> A while back NetBeans measured anonymously various metrics in order to
>> prioritise work. Information such as this
>> http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/projecttypes.jsp and
>> this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/databaseservers.jsp
>> and this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/technologies.jsp
>> help determine which plugin deserves extra attention and which is
>> heading towards deprecation.
>>
>> So, we should think about how we could implement something like this
>> while respecting the Apache rules surrounding user data.
>>
>> --emi
>>
>
>
> --
> Cordialement.
> Philippe Mouawad.
Re: JMeter project analytics
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
Hello Emilian,
In the past it was possible through Apache to know number of downloads.
With mirrors it appears we lost this precious (IMO) info.
What you propose is a good idea but there are many issues:
- privacy if we use something like GA
- all users behind enterprise proxies or with a bad network
- plus amount of work
For now we use:
- number of issues reported
- questions on SO and mailing lists
IMO, we should concentrate our efforts on:
- http2 support
- fix on undo/redo . With your experience of Netbeans , would you have an
idea for that missing and always requested feature
- fix caching of resources in already cached resources
Thanks for your recent works !
Regards
On Thursday, July 20, 2017, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering about how many users / downloads does JMeter have and
> I couldn't find such information except indirectly via the usage
> statistics from http://www.jmeter-plugins.org/stats/
>
> Just yesterday we were discussing about MongoDB support which is
> deprecated since it's not used very much but usage is measured
> indirectly from support questions.
>
> Are there any other sources of such info?
>
> I believe it would be healthy for JMeter to actively measure such
> usage info in order to better decide the future.
>
> A while back NetBeans measured anonymously various metrics in order to
> prioritise work. Information such as this
> http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/projecttypes.jsp and
> this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/databaseservers.jsp
> and this http://statistics.netbeans.org/analytics/graph/technologies.jsp
> help determine which plugin deserves extra attention and which is
> heading towards deprecation.
>
> So, we should think about how we could implement something like this
> while respecting the Apache rules surrounding user data.
>
> --emi
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.