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Posted to users@cocoon.apache.org by Sridhar Gopaluni <sm...@yahoo.com> on 2001/07/24 06:23:07 UTC
URGENT help needed:from all Cocoonites
I am delivering a seminar on Cocoon to some 50-70
audience on (July 25th morning)which include CEOs,CTOs
and developers in USA...which means if people like it
some 10-20companies would use Cocoon.I will do my best
to explain the advantages of Cocoon and try to
convince people that Cocoon is "THE FUTURE".I am
expecting some questions, for which I dont know the
answer: please help
You dont need to waste your time writing....you can
reference me to URLs where i can get the info.
1)Can I bundle Cocoon with our company product and
sell it ?
2)Can I develop applications using Cocoon and make
money ?
3)How can I be assured that I"ll get support if I get
into some problem while working with Cocoon ?
MY ANSWER: there is this mailing list which helps you
24hrs a day unlike those companies which charge you
HUGE amounts,this is free peer-peer support.
AM I RIGHT ?DOES THIS SOUND OK? ANY SUGGESTIONS ?
4)Which version of Cocoon should i use in my company ?
MY ANSWER:Use Cocoon 1.8.2 bcoz there are many who
have used this and people have exhausted all the
possible problems with 1.8.2 and so quick help is
easily available from the cocoon-archives.
AM I RIGHT ?DOES THIS SOUND OK ?ANY SUGGESTIONS ?
5)Can anyone suggest other possible questions?Some of
you might have already delivered seminars on Cocoon.
6)Where is Cocoon heading towards ?Does such
technologies get recognition from the W3c.org and be
declared as Standards ?Can I say that Cocoon would
soon be declared a Standard?
7)Did anyone do any work using Cocoon+VoiceXml ?
8)Are there any competing frameworks to Cocoon ?I
couldnt find any on Google.
9)Does anyone of you have slides which I can use as
reference,apart from the slides that I make ?
Thanks to all for your time and help in advancing the
Cocoon Technology.OpenSource will be "The Future".I
will get back to you all with feedback after the
seminar.
I love Cocoon.
Gops
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Re: URGENT help needed:from all Cocoonites
Posted by Ulrich Mayring <ul...@denic.de>.
Sridhar Gopaluni wrote:
>
> 2)Can I develop applications using Cocoon and make
> money ?
Why not? I mean, if your applications are good, why shouldn't you be
able to sell them?
> 3)How can I be assured that I"ll get support if I get
> into some problem while working with Cocoon ?
> MY ANSWER: there is this mailing list which helps you
> 24hrs a day unlike those companies which charge you
> HUGE amounts,this is free peer-peer support.
The mailing list is not a support forum, it's a user group's forum. The
difference is that no-one here is paid to answer questions and thus will
only do so if time permits. It is entirely possible to not receive an
answer, especially to very easy and very hard questions. I would
definitely not recommend this mailing list as a support option. If
people are generally comfortable to use OpenSource software, then
they'll have no problems using this list, but if Cocoon is their first
step into OpenSource territory, then I think the whole OpenSource idea
should be explained in more detail.
> 4)Which version of Cocoon should i use in my company ?
> MY ANSWER:Use Cocoon 1.8.2 bcoz there are many who
> have used this and people have exhausted all the
> possible problems with 1.8.2 and so quick help is
> easily available from the cocoon-archives.
There's already 1.8.3, so use that instead.
> 6)Where is Cocoon heading towards ?Does such
> technologies get recognition from the W3c.org and be
> declared as Standards ?Can I say that Cocoon would
> soon be declared a Standard?
I highly doubt it, Cocoon2 is not a generic technology, it's a specific
application. XSP as in Cocoon1 had some hope, but in its incarnation in
Cocoon2 I think it is too limited to be accepted as a standard. Things
like the Sitemap or Actions don't have a chance, they are much too
specific to Cocoon.
cheers,
Ulrich
--
Ulrich Mayring
DENIC eG, Systementwicklung
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RE: URGENT help needed:from all Cocoonites
Posted by Paul Nock <pn...@medicineplanet.com>.
>3)How can I be assured that I"ll get support if I get
>into some problem while working with Cocoon ?
>MY ANSWER: there is this mailing list which helps you
>24hrs a day unlike those companies which charge you
>HUGE amounts,this is free peer-peer support.
Well, you can't. This is always Big Software's argument against open source.
The thing is though you do have the source code. This isn't necessarily for
everyone, but it's a very good advantage for a competent IT department.
We've had at least 2 cases where we've been able to fix things to work how
we wanted to without:
1. waiting weeks or months for Big Software Corp. to agree that it's a
problem
2. waiting weeks or months for Big Software Corp. to fix the problem
So, in our case actually paying money for the support would actually have
been worse than just fixing the problem.
>4)Which version of Cocoon should i use in my company ?
>MY ANSWER:Use Cocoon 1.8.2 bcoz there are many who
>have used this and people have exhausted all the
>possible problems with 1.8.2 and so quick help is
>easily available from the cocoon-archives.
We use 1.8.3.
>7)Did anyone do any work using Cocoon+VoiceXml ?
Yes. Works very well.
Paul
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Re: URGENT help needed:from all Cocoonites
Posted by Peter Royal <pr...@managingpartners.com>.
At 09:23 PM 7/23/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>1)Can I bundle Cocoon with our company product and
>sell it ?
Yes. Be sure to read http://xml.apache.org/dist/LICENSE.txt though.
>2)Can I develop applications using Cocoon and make
>money ?
I don't know, can you? :) If you make a good application that people want
to buy, cocoon won't stop you!
>3)How can I be assured that I"ll get support if I get
>into some problem while working with Cocoon ?
>MY ANSWER: there is this mailing list which helps you
>24hrs a day unlike those companies which charge you
>HUGE amounts,this is free peer-peer support.
As it was mentioned before, you aren't guaranteed anything from this list.
If you have a problem on a weekend for instance, you are probably less
likely to get an immediate response as i'm sure some folks only read the
list at the office.
>4)Which version of Cocoon should i use in my company ?
>MY ANSWER:Use Cocoon 1.8.2 bcoz there are many who
>have used this and people have exhausted all the
>possible problems with 1.8.2 and so quick help is
>easily available from the cocoon-archives.
I'd recommend cocoon2. That is where all the development effort is going
and some really interesting work is being done there. Depends on the
projected lifetime of your project.
>5)Can anyone suggest other possible questions?Some of
>you might have already delivered seminars on Cocoon.
the "Why use cocoon" question. I got that here from the phb's.
>6)Where is Cocoon heading towards ?Does such
>technologies get recognition from the W3c.org and be
>declared as Standards ?Can I say that Cocoon would
>soon be declared a Standard?
probably not. I think cocoon lets you easily operate on your
standards-compliant-xml data, and makes its pretty easy to inter operate
with other systems via xml, but it isn't really a standard in and of itself.
>7)Did anyone do any work using Cocoon+VoiceXml ?
I have not, but it is on the board as something to do down the road.
>8)Are there any competing frameworks to Cocoon ?I
>couldnt find any on Google.
There is AxKit (http://axkit.org) which is similar to cocoon1 but in perl.
I believe somebody posted about a similar java toolkit here in the past,
check the archives.
>9)Does anyone of you have slides which I can use as
>reference,apart from the slides that I make ?
There are some slides on the cocoon2 site that a developer from HP made
that gives a high level overview of cocoon2.
hope this helps :)
-peter
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