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Posted to xindice-dev@xml.apache.org by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org> on 2001/12/07 10:54:34 UTC
Logo
recently, I had a talk with Giacomo about this project and he thought
about a logo for this project, considering that
XIndice := x + indice;
could be interpreted as
XIndice := x + in + dice;
so he suggested the use of an 'x' included in two dice.
Sounds like a cool idea to me :)
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: Logo
Posted by Tom Bradford <br...@dbxmlgroup.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> recently, I had a talk with Giacomo about this project and he thought
> about a logo for this project, considering that
>
> XIndice := x + indice;
>
> could be interpreted as
>
> XIndice := x + in + dice;
>
> so he suggested the use of an 'x' included in two dice.
>
> Sounds like a cool idea to me :)
See the rough logo I put together in CVS under docs/xindice.jpg... It's
very simple, and helps to avoid any pronounciation confusion :)
--
Tom Bradford - http://www.tbradford.org
Developer - Apache Xindice (formerly dbXML)
Maintainer - jEdit-Syntax Java Editing Bean
Re: Logo
Posted by Niels Peter Strandberg <ni...@npstrandberg.com>.
The world is full of 'X' today: Mac OS X, Win XP. X-Win, Xerces etc.
'X' means different think to different people, and that might be good or
bad!
Since xindice is a 'new' tech, then the name or logo should not scare
people away!
'new' is ok! but only combined with reliability, stability and
'standard'!
So something clean, sober and elegant, would help create 'trust'!
Just a thought!
Niels Peter
On söndag, december 16, 2001, at 12:46 , Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Tom Bradford wrote:
>>
>> "Eric J. Schwarzenbach" wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with the reservations about dice. Especially after my
>>> experiences
>>> with Tamino, I think having and conveying stability comperable to
>>> that of an
>>> established RDBMS is going to be key.
>>>
>>> This may be terribly Engish-centric of me, and I mean no slight to the
>>> Italian language, but from a marketing standpoint I've got some
>>> reservations
>>> about giving this thing a name with an official pronuciation that is
>>> so counter-
>>> intuitive to English speakers. The "Indice" part of the name is
>>> obviously a
>>> lot like the English plural of index (without the s) and it is the
>>> natural
>>> inclination to try to pronounce it that way.
>>>
>>> It's just asking for trouble if proponents of a native xml database
>>> (which is
>>> itself a concept that gets resistance from a lot of rdbms-centric
>>> technologists, in my experience), have to constantly correct people
>>> who
>>> having seen the name in print say "Ex In-di-cee", with a sheepish
>>> "Actually
>>> it's pronounced 'zeen-dee-chay'. I can already see the eye-rolling.
>>
>> Considering that the vast majority of interest in XML databases comes
>> from the European community, I'm not overly concerned with how English
>> speakers pronounce the name. Most of the romance languages will get it
>> right, and English speakers can pronounce it wrong if they want. Just
>> like half the people I meet can't pronounce Linux correctly.
>
> Very good point :)
>
> --
> Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
> able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Re: Logo
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Tom Bradford wrote:
>
> "Eric J. Schwarzenbach" wrote:
> >
> > I agree with the reservations about dice. Especially after my experiences
> > with Tamino, I think having and conveying stability comperable to that of an
> > established RDBMS is going to be key.
> >
> > This may be terribly Engish-centric of me, and I mean no slight to the
> > Italian language, but from a marketing standpoint I've got some reservations
> > about giving this thing a name with an official pronuciation that is so counter-
> > intuitive to English speakers. The "Indice" part of the name is obviously a
> > lot like the English plural of index (without the s) and it is the natural
> > inclination to try to pronounce it that way.
> >
> > It's just asking for trouble if proponents of a native xml database (which is
> > itself a concept that gets resistance from a lot of rdbms-centric
> > technologists, in my experience), have to constantly correct people who
> > having seen the name in print say "Ex In-di-cee", with a sheepish "Actually
> > it's pronounced 'zeen-dee-chay'. I can already see the eye-rolling.
>
> Considering that the vast majority of interest in XML databases comes
> from the European community, I'm not overly concerned with how English
> speakers pronounce the name. Most of the romance languages will get it
> right, and English speakers can pronounce it wrong if they want. Just
> like half the people I meet can't pronounce Linux correctly.
Very good point :)
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: Logo
Posted by Tom Bradford <br...@dbxmlgroup.com>.
"Eric J. Schwarzenbach" wrote:
>
> I agree with the reservations about dice. Especially after my experiences
> with Tamino, I think having and conveying stability comperable to that of an
> established RDBMS is going to be key.
>
> This may be terribly Engish-centric of me, and I mean no slight to the
> Italian language, but from a marketing standpoint I've got some reservations
> about giving this thing a name with an official pronuciation that is so counter-
> intuitive to English speakers. The "Indice" part of the name is obviously a
> lot like the English plural of index (without the s) and it is the natural
> inclination to try to pronounce it that way.
>
> It's just asking for trouble if proponents of a native xml database (which is
> itself a concept that gets resistance from a lot of rdbms-centric
> technologists, in my experience), have to constantly correct people who
> having seen the name in print say "Ex In-di-cee", with a sheepish "Actually
> it's pronounced 'zeen-dee-chay'. I can already see the eye-rolling.
Considering that the vast majority of interest in XML databases comes
from the European community, I'm not overly concerned with how English
speakers pronounce the name. Most of the romance languages will get it
right, and English speakers can pronounce it wrong if they want. Just
like half the people I meet can't pronounce Linux correctly.
--
Tom Bradford - http://www.tbradford.org
Developer - Apache Xindice (formerly dbXML)
Maintainer - jEdit-Syntax Java Editing Bean
Re: Logo
Posted by "Eric J. Schwarzenbach" <er...@rcn.com>.
I agree with the reservations about dice. Especially after my experiences
with Tamino, I think having and conveying stability comperable to that of an
established RDBMS is going to be key.
This may be terribly Engish-centric of me, and I mean no slight to the
Italian language, but from a marketing standpoint I've got some reservations
about giving this thing a name with an official pronuciation that is so counter-
intuitive to English speakers. The "Indice" part of the name is obviously a
lot like the English plural of index (without the s) and it is the natural
inclination to try to pronounce it that way.
It's just asking for trouble if proponents of a native xml database (which is
itself a concept that gets resistance from a lot of rdbms-centric
technologists, in my experience), have to constantly correct people who
having seen the name in print say "Ex In-di-cee", with a sheepish "Actually
it's pronounced 'zeen-dee-chay'. I can already see the eye-rolling.
Eric
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> > Yuri Gadow wrote:
> > >
> > > Only partly serious here, but I would feel less comfortable pitching a
> > > database product for a project, if the purchasing manager is looking at
> > > a logo based on dice, or any gambling/risk related graphics. Moreover, I
> > > would be uncomfortable pitching a product (utilising Xindice) as
> > > incorporating "something with dice in it."
> > >
> > > "That one thing with the dice was interesting, but I saw on TV that
> > > Oracle is Unbreakable."
> >
> > Wow, that's a good point I didn't think of.
> >
> > I totally agree, let's forget about the dice logo and let's write it big
> > that X-Indice comes from latin/italian (which is *way* more solid
> > culturally to managers than dice and gambling)
>
> Ok... then how about a Legionnaire's helmet?
>
> Hail Caesar! :-)
>
> --
> Tom Bradford - http://www.tbradford.org
> Developer - Apache Xindice (formerly dbXML)
> Maintainer - jEdit-Syntax Java Editing Bean
Re: Logo
Posted by Tom Bradford <br...@dbxmlgroup.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Yuri Gadow wrote:
> >
> > Only partly serious here, but I would feel less comfortable pitching a
> > database product for a project, if the purchasing manager is looking at
> > a logo based on dice, or any gambling/risk related graphics. Moreover, I
> > would be uncomfortable pitching a product (utilising Xindice) as
> > incorporating "something with dice in it."
> >
> > "That one thing with the dice was interesting, but I saw on TV that
> > Oracle is Unbreakable."
>
> Wow, that's a good point I didn't think of.
>
> I totally agree, let's forget about the dice logo and let's write it big
> that X-Indice comes from latin/italian (which is *way* more solid
> culturally to managers than dice and gambling)
Ok... then how about a Legionnaire's helmet?
Hail Caesar! :-)
--
Tom Bradford - http://www.tbradford.org
Developer - Apache Xindice (formerly dbXML)
Maintainer - jEdit-Syntax Java Editing Bean
Re: Logo
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Yuri Gadow wrote:
>
> Only partly serious here, but I would feel less comfortable pitching a
> database product for a project, if the purchasing manager is looking at
> a logo based on dice, or any gambling/risk related graphics. Moreover, I
> would be uncomfortable pitching a product (utilising Xindice) as
> incorporating "something with dice in it."
>
> "That one thing with the dice was interesting, but I saw on TV that
> Oracle is Unbreakable."
Wow, that's a good point I didn't think of.
I totally agree, let's forget about the dice logo and let's write it big
that X-Indice comes from latin/italian (which is *way* more solid
culturally to managers than dice and gambling)
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: Logo
Posted by Yuri Gadow <yg...@mail.com>.
Only partly serious here, but I would feel less comfortable pitching a
database product for a project, if the purchasing manager is looking at
a logo based on dice, or any gambling/risk related graphics. Moreover, I
would be uncomfortable pitching a product (utilising Xindice) as
incorporating "something with dice in it."
"That one thing with the dice was interesting, but I saw on TV that
Oracle is Unbreakable."
On Fri, 2001-12-14 at 09:25, giacomo wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> > recently, I had a talk with Giacomo about this project and he thought
> > about a logo for this project, considering that
> >
> > XIndice := x + indice;
> >
> > could be interpreted as
> >
> > XIndice := x + in + dice;
> >
> > so he suggested the use of an 'x' included in two dice.
> >
> > Sounds like a cool idea to me :)
>
> :)
>
> Giacomo
>
>
Re: Logo
Posted by giacomo <gi...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> recently, I had a talk with Giacomo about this project and he thought
> about a logo for this project, considering that
>
> XIndice := x + indice;
>
> could be interpreted as
>
> XIndice := x + in + dice;
>
> so he suggested the use of an 'x' included in two dice.
>
> Sounds like a cool idea to me :)
:)
Giacomo