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Posted to user@velocity.apache.org by Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> on 2007/05/22 23:38:38 UTC
Re: FW: Velocity DBF
Hi,
yes, it is "user@velocity.apache.org", sorry that I sent you the wrong
address.
xi:include is XML Inclusions AFAIK. Is there an official release for
that / do the docbook style sheets support these at all?
I will give docbook 5 a look later this week; however ATM I'm pretty
tight on time so it will not be an in-depth look, sorry.
The latest style sheets are available from the snapshots link below; the
latest released versions (at least for docbook 4) have errors with FOP
which the snapshot does not have.
Best regards
Henning
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 12:10 +0100, Sam Wright wrote:
> Henning,
> Forwarding the mail below to you, as I can an error from the apache
> server about users@velocity.apache.org
>
> S
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Wright
> Sent: 21 May 2007 12:05
> To: 'users@velocity.apache.org'
> Subject: RE: Velocity DBF
>
> Hi Henning,
>
> Thanks for your mail. As you presumably know there are some differences
> in DB5, mainly use of a relaxng schema not a dtd. I think FOP will
> render DB5 output, however I have not managed to get it to do so myself.
>
> The main problems I have is with <xi:include>, which I can't seem to get
> to work with 4.4, OR 5, using dbf or any other method. :-( Should
> xi:xinclude work with dbf?
>
> The latest build you sent me exhibits the following errors:
>
> [java] Class file not found for option -URIResolver
> [java] Class file not found for option -URIResolver
>
> Not sure if you meant I had to wait for the latest xsl snapshot though?
>
> Cheers
> S
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:henning@apache.org]
> Sent: 16 May 2007 20:10
> To: Sam Wright
> Cc: users@velocity.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Velocity DBF
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> I haven't tried Docbook 5 myself and mainly I do not know whether the
> FOP is actually able to render the Docbook 5 output.
>
> If you want to experiment with it, please add the actual Docbook 5 DTD
> to src/resolver/xml-catalox.xml; this should avoid the framework pulling
> the DTD definitions from the Internet.
>
> The error messages you quoted are messages from the PDF renderer (Apache
> FOP), which can not render some of the FOP constructs. I have a more
> recent version in the trunk that does not report these messages.
>
> I've put you a snapshot of this version at
> people.apache.org/~henning/docbook-20070516.tar.gz
>
> I am waiting for a new release of the xsl stylesheets for Docbook 4
> because currently I actually need to use a snapshot from
> http://docbook.sourceforge.net/snapshots/
>
> I've noted that there is also a recent docbook5 snapshot, maybe this
> will help you with Docbook 5.
>
> Lastly: I've copied this message to the velocity users list at
> users@velocity.apache.org. Please send your replies to this list so that
> others can participate and benefit from our discussion. Thanks.
>
> Best regards
> Henning
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 14:30 +0100, Sam Wright wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sam Wright, a tech writer in the UK here. I'm looking at possible
> > docbook solutions, and so far yours looks superior to anything else I
> > have found (looked at aphid, dopus, ede, etc). DBF worked pretty much
> > out of the box on Windows as well. Nice one!
> >
> > Ideally I'd like to be using Docbook5 (I know is it still only a RC)
> > and the xi:include syntax, which of course does not work with the
> > current
> > 4.4 stylesheet in DBF. If I replace the zip files with an equivalent
> > DB5 zip, and change the version number in the properties file is that
> > likely to work?
> >
> > I also get a load of somewhat inelegant error messages when producing
> > pdf (with DB4.4 about properties not yet implemented, not sure if this
>
> > is due to my setup, or windows or what?
> >
> > [java] [ERROR] property - "background-position-horizontal" is not
>
> > implemented yet.
> > [java] [ERROR] property - "background-position-vertical" is not
> > implemented yet.
> > ...
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sam
> >
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Re: FW: Velocity DBF
Posted by "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <hp...@intermeta.de>.
Robert Koberg <ro...@koberg.com> writes:
>If you need to write a highly technical book, sure docbook is fine. For
>most everything else docbook is overkill.
What would you use? I only hear your constant snide remarks but I have
yet to see a single constructive comment. What is 'not overkill' in
your opinion.
Best regards
Henning
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Re: FW: Velocity DBF
Posted by Robert Koberg <ro...@koberg.com>.
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 23:38 +0200, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> yes, it is "user@velocity.apache.org", sorry that I sent you the wrong
> address.
>
> xi:include is XML Inclusions AFAIK. Is there an official release for
> that / do the docbook style sheets support these at all?
its an XML thing. It has nothing to do with docbook. Think of it like an
entity (not really, but close enough). If the parser supports it (most
available ones do) it is fine.
It is most disconcerting that people who don't know what they are doing
choose a framework like docbook for a project like velocity (and
everyone goes along). It is ridiculous, in fact. I suppose it is like
buying a hummer when all you need is to go to the store.
If you need to write a highly technical book, sure docbook is fine. For
most everything else docbook is overkill.
-Rob
-
>
> I will give docbook 5 a look later this week; however ATM I'm pretty
> tight on time so it will not be an in-depth look, sorry.
>
> The latest style sheets are available from the snapshots link below; the
> latest released versions (at least for docbook 4) have errors with FOP
> which the snapshot does not have.
>
> Best regards
> Henning
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 12:10 +0100, Sam Wright wrote:
> > Henning,
> > Forwarding the mail below to you, as I can an error from the apache
> > server about users@velocity.apache.org
> >
> > S
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sam Wright
> > Sent: 21 May 2007 12:05
> > To: 'users@velocity.apache.org'
> > Subject: RE: Velocity DBF
> >
> > Hi Henning,
> >
> > Thanks for your mail. As you presumably know there are some differences
> > in DB5, mainly use of a relaxng schema not a dtd. I think FOP will
> > render DB5 output, however I have not managed to get it to do so myself.
> >
> > The main problems I have is with <xi:include>, which I can't seem to get
> > to work with 4.4, OR 5, using dbf or any other method. :-( Should
> > xi:xinclude work with dbf?
> >
> > The latest build you sent me exhibits the following errors:
> >
> > [java] Class file not found for option -URIResolver
> > [java] Class file not found for option -URIResolver
> >
> > Not sure if you meant I had to wait for the latest xsl snapshot though?
> >
> > Cheers
> > S
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:henning@apache.org]
> > Sent: 16 May 2007 20:10
> > To: Sam Wright
> > Cc: users@velocity.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Velocity DBF
> >
> > Hi Sam,
> >
> > I haven't tried Docbook 5 myself and mainly I do not know whether the
> > FOP is actually able to render the Docbook 5 output.
> >
> > If you want to experiment with it, please add the actual Docbook 5 DTD
> > to src/resolver/xml-catalox.xml; this should avoid the framework pulling
> > the DTD definitions from the Internet.
> >
> > The error messages you quoted are messages from the PDF renderer (Apache
> > FOP), which can not render some of the FOP constructs. I have a more
> > recent version in the trunk that does not report these messages.
> >
> > I've put you a snapshot of this version at
> > people.apache.org/~henning/docbook-20070516.tar.gz
> >
> > I am waiting for a new release of the xsl stylesheets for Docbook 4
> > because currently I actually need to use a snapshot from
> > http://docbook.sourceforge.net/snapshots/
> >
> > I've noted that there is also a recent docbook5 snapshot, maybe this
> > will help you with Docbook 5.
> >
> > Lastly: I've copied this message to the velocity users list at
> > users@velocity.apache.org. Please send your replies to this list so that
> > others can participate and benefit from our discussion. Thanks.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Henning
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 14:30 +0100, Sam Wright wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Sam Wright, a tech writer in the UK here. I'm looking at possible
> > > docbook solutions, and so far yours looks superior to anything else I
> > > have found (looked at aphid, dopus, ede, etc). DBF worked pretty much
> > > out of the box on Windows as well. Nice one!
> > >
> > > Ideally I'd like to be using Docbook5 (I know is it still only a RC)
> > > and the xi:include syntax, which of course does not work with the
> > > current
> > > 4.4 stylesheet in DBF. If I replace the zip files with an equivalent
> > > DB5 zip, and change the version number in the properties file is that
> > > likely to work?
> > >
> > > I also get a load of somewhat inelegant error messages when producing
> > > pdf (with DB4.4 about properties not yet implemented, not sure if this
> >
> > > is due to my setup, or windows or what?
> > >
> > > [java] [ERROR] property - "background-position-horizontal" is not
> >
> > > implemented yet.
> > > [java] [ERROR] property - "background-position-vertical" is not
> > > implemented yet.
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sam
> > >
> > > _____________________________________________________________________
> > > This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs
> > Virus Scanning Service, on behalf of Celoxica Ltd.
> > >
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> > > individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received
> > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
> > > immediately. Whilst this email has been swept for viruses, you should
> > > carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment. Celoxica
> >
> > > Ltd accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by
> >
> > > software viruses or interception or interruption of this email.
> >
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________________
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> >
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