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[jira] Created: (JSPWIKI-89) Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
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Key: JSPWIKI-89
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
Project: JSPWiki
Issue Type: Wish
Components: Default template
Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
Priority: Minor
As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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[jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-89) Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
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Janne Jalkanen commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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Google drops IE6 support: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/01/145231&from=rss
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
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> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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[jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-89) Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
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Andrew Jaquith commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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+1. Let's drop IE6 support.
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
> ------------------------------------
>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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Janne Jalkanen commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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Just noticed that Facebook is ditching IE6... That should drive adoption ;-)
http://billpstudios.blogspot.com/2007/11/facebook-recommends-ie7.html
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
> ------------------------------------
>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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[jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-89) Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
Posted by "Bruno Peeters (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Bruno Peeters commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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At my employer we are still using IE6 and I am not aware of any plans to migrate to IE7. Individual users of JSPWIKI will probably all have switched to IE7 (or FF). Corporate uses often do not have the choice. If IE6 support will be dropped, corporate users of JSPWIKI risk to be stucked in an older version of JSPWIKI.
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
> ------------------------------------
>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
> Original Estimate: 0h
> Remaining Estimate: 0h
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> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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Janne Jalkanen commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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Except for JSPWIKI-88... ;-)
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
> ------------------------------------
>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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[jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-89) Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
Posted by "Dirk Frederickx (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Dirk Frederickx commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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thank you, you're so kind ... just now that our baby runs so smooth on ie6 :-D
dirk
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
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> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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Dirk Frederickx commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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Yep, plse close.
It just means that we will not test anymore on IE6. Testing will occur on IE7 and IE8.
Anyway, our policy is to avoid or reduce as much as possible browser specific tricks.
dirk
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
> ------------------------------------
>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
> Original Estimate: 0h
> Remaining Estimate: 0h
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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Janne Jalkanen commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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MS is apparently forcing everyone to update to IE7: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/21/0652248&from=rss
That should drive adoption...
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
> ------------------------------------
>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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[jira] Updated: (JSPWIKI-89) Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
Posted by "Janne Jalkanen (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Janne Jalkanen updated JSPWIKI-89:
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Incidentally, others want this too: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/20/214210&from=rss
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
> ------------------------------------
>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
> Original Estimate: 0h
> Remaining Estimate: 0h
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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Janne Jalkanen commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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Can this issue be closed? It's really just an action we choose to take.
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
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>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
> Original Estimate: 0h
> Remaining Estimate: 0h
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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[jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-89) Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
Posted by "Harry Metske (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Harry Metske commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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Here's some more wood for the fire:
"IE6 adds about 50% more development work" , Kill IE6 :
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136286/_Kill_IE6_campaign_gains_force_30M_Web_users_get_switch_pitch
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
> ------------------------------------
>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
> Original Estimate: 0h
> Remaining Estimate: 0h
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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[jira] Resolved: (JSPWIKI-89) Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
Posted by "Janne Jalkanen (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Janne Jalkanen resolved JSPWIKI-89.
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Resolution: Fixed
Alright, as of now we no longer test the trunk with IE6.
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
> ------------------------------------
>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
> Original Estimate: 0h
> Remaining Estimate: 0h
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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Janne Jalkanen commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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No, what it means that the burden of supporting IE6 moves from us to the IT departments of the companies who are not willing to make the switch. There is always a cost involved in sticking with ancient versions; and this is just one of them.
One can still install new versions of JSPWiki, it's just that they may have to tweak the CSS to work for you. Since these companies probably already have a custom CSS skin for the intranet (logos and whatnot), I don't see that as a very big problem.
Heck, even Microsoft's own pages don't always render correctly with IE6 these days :-).
Point being, it's simply too expensive in time and effort to support anymore for us, since we have to do it for every single template/CSS file that we ship with, and it's likely that the few companies still stuck with IE6 will rewrite portions of the stuff anyway.
But hey, if someone *wants* to start supporting IE6, then we'll gladly accept patches. But ATM the consensus seems to be that we don't really want to delay another release because of IE6 bugs (which has happened a few times before).
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
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>
> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 3.0
>
> Original Estimate: 0h
> Remaining Estimate: 0h
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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Andrew Jaquith commented on JSPWIKI-89:
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We should deprecate IE6 support after 2.8, methinks. For JSPWiki 3.0, we should require IE7, or a more standards-compliant browser.
> Drop support for Internet Explorer 6
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> Key: JSPWIKI-89
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-89
> Project: JSPWiki
> Issue Type: Wish
> Components: Default template
> Reporter: Janne Jalkanen
> Priority: Minor
>
> As Microsoft is pushing IE 7 to almost all desktops out there, the question is, how much longer do we need to keep supporting IE6? I understand Dirk has had many issues with IE support, so how long do we want to keep it on our support list for the default template? There is a certain point during which the effort brings no significant gain.
> I'm opening this item here so we can keep track of it here, but I'm not yet assigning a version before we've discussed this thoroughly. If JSPWiki was consumer software, then the decision would be easy, but there are loads of companies out there who're still standardized on IE6.
> IE6 still has a ~30% market share, but it's waning. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> Of course, it took about four years for IE5 to drop from 30% to 5%, so this Issue might be here for a long time...
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