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Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for
Non-Portable Computers
Hello AOO Users & Advisors,
For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about
various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down
one's computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed.
I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers and
on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I
attribute that good fortune to three things:
* Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers.
* Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to
their internal batteries.
* Very deliberate shut down processes:
o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my
user data)
o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally
just one)
o Shutdown the computer
I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the
cause of many AOO Problems.
Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of
Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers?
Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small
expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of
profiles.
--
*v/r,
Tom Panfil
eBureaucrat (Ret.)
********************************************
Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR
drivers to identify their corporate sponsors
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Re: Saving documents (was: Perhaps UPSs should be used ...]
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com.INVALID>.
At 16:56 14/07/2020 -0400, Dan Lewis wrote:
>It is also important to save all documents on a regular basis.
True.
>Tools > Options > Load/Save > General has options that will you
>should consider using. Just make sure to limit the number of minutes to 4 of 5.
Useful though this facility is, it is important that readers are not
misled by this suggestion. Like all sensible applications, OpenOffice
saves document files only when the user asks for this to happen -
using Save or Save As or by selecting Save from the options provided
when a modified document is closed without having been saved. This is
important, so that a user may choose, after a period of editing, to
abandon all changes and close the document or session without
modifying the original document.
The option at Tools | Options... | Load/Save | General | Save | Save
AutoRecovery information every ... Minutes has another purpose. If it
is ticked, information about the current editing session is salted
away regularly - but separately from the actual document file. This
information is deleted automatically if a session is terminated
normally. Its purpose is instead to deal with program or system
crashes or power outages. In these circumstances an offer is made,
when OpenOffice is next started, to recover editing changes made in
the aborted session as far as possible.
Brian Barker
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Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO
for Non-Portable Computers
Posted by Dan Lewis <el...@gmail.com>.
It is also important to save all documents on a regular basis. Tools >
Options > Load/Save > General has options that will you should consider
using. Just make sure to limit the number of minutes to 4 of 5.
Dan
On 7/14/20 15:45, Steven Ahlers wrote:
> Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history, cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to easily return to websites on restart.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil <ta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> Hello AOO Users & Advisors,
>>
>> For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed.
>>
>> I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I attribute that good fortune to three things:
>>
>> * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers.
>> * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to
>> their internal batteries.
>> * Very deliberate shut down processes:
>> o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my
>> user data)
>> o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally
>> just one)
>> o Shutdown the computer
>>
>> I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the cause of many AOO Problems.
>>
>> Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers?
>>
>> Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of profiles.
>>
>> --
>> *v/r,
>> Tom Panfil
>> eBureaucrat (Ret.)
>> ********************************************
>> Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR
>> drivers to identify their corporate sponsors
>> ********************************************
>> **m-2015-mbp-15******general_user*******fm** *
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Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for Non-Portable Computers
Posted by Steven Ahlers <sa...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Ron,
Something I neglected in my original response is frequent backups. In OSX there is a built in app, TimeMachine, that regularly (to whatever frequency you want) backs up files to external storage. I use an external 1 TB hard drive for frequent saves (15-30 minute intervals) then a cloud backup for less frequent (daily to weekly).
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 5, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Ron Tanguay <sa...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Leon,
>
> Many thanks for this tip. Reviewing my AutoRecovery setting, I noticed it was set to update every 15 minutes. I have tightened that to every 5 minutes. This may save me some real headaches in the event of a future crash.
>
> Ron Tanguay
>
>> On Sep 5, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Leon Zar <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I believe it is even more important to configure the OO Preferences for
>> "Save AutoRecovery Information". In all the years I've used OO, I've never
>> had a crash where OO was unable to recover up to, or very close to, the
>> point of failure. Since I do have a UPS, the crashes I have experienced
>> are all due to failures of the OS or the application. A UPS will not
>> protect you from these failures, but in my experience the recovery
>> information will.
>>
>> Having said that, I imagine that it *may* be possible for a power outage
>> that occurs while OO is saving the recovery info to corrupt the recovery
>> info and prevent OO from restoring a file. Not a likely event, but
>> something to consider.
>>
>> My $0.02.
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Thomas A. Panfil <ta...@fastmail.fm>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Steven,
>>>
>>> Your advice is perfect for a proper shutdown of a computer, BUT,
>>> those good practices are PRECISELY what do not occur if a power outage
>>> occurs while someone is using a computer which does not have a battery
>>> backup. Laptops have a built-in battery backup. Desktop and tower
>>> machines and workstations do not have integral battery backup so they
>>> are subject to sudden improper shutdown.
>>>
>>> I am convinced that users of AOO should be advised to use an
>>> external battery backup system for computers which do not have integral
>>> battery backup. This advice should be provided along with the
>>> information about how to download and install AOO. Users should be
>>> given this advice BEFORE a catastrophe occurs.
>>>
>>> I've been reading essentially all of the OpenOffice, now Apache
>>> Open Office, Users E-Mail. It seems that a large proportion of serious
>>> problems, from which recovery might be very difficult or impossible, are
>>> attributed to improper, i.e. hasty, shut down. That is exactly what
>>> happens when AC Line power to a vulnerable computer is lost.
>>>
>>> -- Tom Panfil
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/20 3:45 PM, Steven Ahlers wrote:
>>>> Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important
>>> concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer
>>> save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power
>>> failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history,
>>> cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to
>>> easily return to websites on restart.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil <ta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello AOO Users & Advisors,
>>>>>
>>>>> For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about
>>> various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's
>>> computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers
>>> and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I
>>> attribute that good fortune to three things:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers.
>>>>> * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to
>>>>> their internal batteries.
>>>>> * Very deliberate shut down processes:
>>>>> o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my
>>>>> user data)
>>>>> o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally
>>>>> just one)
>>>>> o Shutdown the computer
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the
>>> cause of many AOO Problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of
>>> Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small
>>> expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of
>>> profiles.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *v/r,
>>>>> Tom Panfil
>>>>> eBureaucrat (Ret.)
>>>>> ********************************************
>>>>> Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR
>>>>> drivers to identify their corporate sponsors
>>>>> ********************************************
>>>>> **m-2015-mbp-15******general_user*******fm** *
>>>>
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Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO
for Non-Portable Computers
Posted by Ron Tanguay <sa...@shaw.ca>.
Leon,
Many thanks for this tip. Reviewing my AutoRecovery setting, I noticed it was set to update every 15 minutes. I have tightened that to every 5 minutes. This may save me some real headaches in the event of a future crash.
Ron Tanguay
> On Sep 5, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Leon Zar <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I believe it is even more important to configure the OO Preferences for
> "Save AutoRecovery Information". In all the years I've used OO, I've never
> had a crash where OO was unable to recover up to, or very close to, the
> point of failure. Since I do have a UPS, the crashes I have experienced
> are all due to failures of the OS or the application. A UPS will not
> protect you from these failures, but in my experience the recovery
> information will.
>
> Having said that, I imagine that it *may* be possible for a power outage
> that occurs while OO is saving the recovery info to corrupt the recovery
> info and prevent OO from restoring a file. Not a likely event, but
> something to consider.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Thomas A. Panfil <ta...@fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
>> Steven,
>>
>> Your advice is perfect for a proper shutdown of a computer, BUT,
>> those good practices are PRECISELY what do not occur if a power outage
>> occurs while someone is using a computer which does not have a battery
>> backup. Laptops have a built-in battery backup. Desktop and tower
>> machines and workstations do not have integral battery backup so they
>> are subject to sudden improper shutdown.
>>
>> I am convinced that users of AOO should be advised to use an
>> external battery backup system for computers which do not have integral
>> battery backup. This advice should be provided along with the
>> information about how to download and install AOO. Users should be
>> given this advice BEFORE a catastrophe occurs.
>>
>> I've been reading essentially all of the OpenOffice, now Apache
>> Open Office, Users E-Mail. It seems that a large proportion of serious
>> problems, from which recovery might be very difficult or impossible, are
>> attributed to improper, i.e. hasty, shut down. That is exactly what
>> happens when AC Line power to a vulnerable computer is lost.
>>
>> -- Tom Panfil
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/20 3:45 PM, Steven Ahlers wrote:
>>> Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important
>> concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer
>> save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power
>> failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history,
>> cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to
>> easily return to websites on restart.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil <ta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello AOO Users & Advisors,
>>>>
>>>> For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about
>> various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's
>> computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed.
>>>>
>>>> I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers
>> and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I
>> attribute that good fortune to three things:
>>>>
>>>> * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers.
>>>> * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to
>>>> their internal batteries.
>>>> * Very deliberate shut down processes:
>>>> o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my
>>>> user data)
>>>> o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally
>>>> just one)
>>>> o Shutdown the computer
>>>>
>>>> I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the
>> cause of many AOO Problems.
>>>>
>>>> Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of
>> Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers?
>>>>
>>>> Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small
>> expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of
>> profiles.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *v/r,
>>>> Tom Panfil
>>>> eBureaucrat (Ret.)
>>>> ********************************************
>>>> Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR
>>>> drivers to identify their corporate sponsors
>>>> ********************************************
>>>> **m-2015-mbp-15******general_user*******fm** *
>>>
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Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO
for Non-Portable Computers
Posted by Leon Zar <le...@gmail.com>.
I believe it is even more important to configure the OO Preferences for
"Save AutoRecovery Information". In all the years I've used OO, I've never
had a crash where OO was unable to recover up to, or very close to, the
point of failure. Since I do have a UPS, the crashes I have experienced
are all due to failures of the OS or the application. A UPS will not
protect you from these failures, but in my experience the recovery
information will.
Having said that, I imagine that it *may* be possible for a power outage
that occurs while OO is saving the recovery info to corrupt the recovery
info and prevent OO from restoring a file. Not a likely event, but
something to consider.
My $0.02.
On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Thomas A. Panfil <ta...@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
> Steven,
>
> Your advice is perfect for a proper shutdown of a computer, BUT,
> those good practices are PRECISELY what do not occur if a power outage
> occurs while someone is using a computer which does not have a battery
> backup. Laptops have a built-in battery backup. Desktop and tower
> machines and workstations do not have integral battery backup so they
> are subject to sudden improper shutdown.
>
> I am convinced that users of AOO should be advised to use an
> external battery backup system for computers which do not have integral
> battery backup. This advice should be provided along with the
> information about how to download and install AOO. Users should be
> given this advice BEFORE a catastrophe occurs.
>
> I've been reading essentially all of the OpenOffice, now Apache
> Open Office, Users E-Mail. It seems that a large proportion of serious
> problems, from which recovery might be very difficult or impossible, are
> attributed to improper, i.e. hasty, shut down. That is exactly what
> happens when AC Line power to a vulnerable computer is lost.
>
> -- Tom Panfil
>
>
> On 7/14/20 3:45 PM, Steven Ahlers wrote:
> > Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important
> concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer
> save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power
> failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history,
> cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to
> easily return to websites on restart.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil <ta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello AOO Users & Advisors,
> >>
> >> For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about
> various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's
> computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed.
> >>
> >> I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers
> and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I
> attribute that good fortune to three things:
> >>
> >> * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers.
> >> * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to
> >> their internal batteries.
> >> * Very deliberate shut down processes:
> >> o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my
> >> user data)
> >> o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally
> >> just one)
> >> o Shutdown the computer
> >>
> >> I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the
> cause of many AOO Problems.
> >>
> >> Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of
> Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers?
> >>
> >> Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small
> expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of
> profiles.
> >>
> >> --
> >> *v/r,
> >> Tom Panfil
> >> eBureaucrat (Ret.)
> >> ********************************************
> >> Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR
> >> drivers to identify their corporate sponsors
> >> ********************************************
> >> **m-2015-mbp-15******general_user*******fm** *
> >
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Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO
for Non-Portable Computers
Posted by "Thomas A. Panfil" <ta...@fastmail.fm>.
Steven,
Your advice is perfect for a proper shutdown of a computer, BUT,
those good practices are PRECISELY what do not occur if a power outage
occurs while someone is using a computer which does not have a battery
backup. Laptops have a built-in battery backup. Desktop and tower
machines and workstations do not have integral battery backup so they
are subject to sudden improper shutdown.
I am convinced that users of AOO should be advised to use an
external battery backup system for computers which do not have integral
battery backup. This advice should be provided along with the
information about how to download and install AOO. Users should be
given this advice BEFORE a catastrophe occurs.
I've been reading essentially all of the OpenOffice, now Apache
Open Office, Users E-Mail. It seems that a large proportion of serious
problems, from which recovery might be very difficult or impossible, are
attributed to improper, i.e. hasty, shut down. That is exactly what
happens when AC Line power to a vulnerable computer is lost.
-- Tom Panfil
On 7/14/20 3:45 PM, Steven Ahlers wrote:
> Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history, cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to easily return to websites on restart.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil <ta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> Hello AOO Users & Advisors,
>>
>> For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed.
>>
>> I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I attribute that good fortune to three things:
>>
>> * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers.
>> * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to
>> their internal batteries.
>> * Very deliberate shut down processes:
>> o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my
>> user data)
>> o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally
>> just one)
>> o Shutdown the computer
>>
>> I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the cause of many AOO Problems.
>>
>> Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers?
>>
>> Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of profiles.
>>
>> --
>> *v/r,
>> Tom Panfil
>> eBureaucrat (Ret.)
>> ********************************************
>> Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR
>> drivers to identify their corporate sponsors
>> ********************************************
>> **m-2015-mbp-15******general_user*******fm** *
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Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for Non-Portable Computers
Posted by Steven Ahlers <sa...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history, cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to easily return to websites on restart.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil <ta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> Hello AOO Users & Advisors,
>
> For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed.
>
> I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I attribute that good fortune to three things:
>
> * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers.
> * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to
> their internal batteries.
> * Very deliberate shut down processes:
> o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my
> user data)
> o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally
> just one)
> o Shutdown the computer
>
> I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the cause of many AOO Problems.
>
> Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers?
>
> Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of profiles.
>
> --
> *v/r,
> Tom Panfil
> eBureaucrat (Ret.)
> ********************************************
> Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR
> drivers to identify their corporate sponsors
> ********************************************
> **m-2015-mbp-15******general_user*******fm** *
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