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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> on 2014/04/15 13:01:55 UTC
[PROPOSAL]: drop tar.gz source release, 1 of 3 formats
Hi,
currently we are preparing 3 src releases packages with the same content.
For example:
apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.bz2 -> size 217635696
apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.gz -> size 287122205
apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.zip -> size 335796134
The first 2 are common in the unix world and the third one in the
windows world. To reduce the used disk space on mirrors and to reduce
uploads etc. I would like to propose that we drop the .tar.gz version
starting with AOO 4.2 or whatever version comes next after AOO 4.1.
If nobody complains I will execute according the proposal for future
releases.
Juergen
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Re: [PROPOSAL]: drop tar.gz source release, 1 of 3 formats
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 04/15/2014 01:01 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> currently we are preparing 3 src releases packages with the same content.
>
> For example:
>
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.bz2 -> size 217635696
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.gz -> size 287122205
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.zip -> size 335796134
>
> The first 2 are common in the unix world and the third one in the
> windows world. To reduce the used disk space on mirrors and to reduce
> uploads etc. I would like to propose that we drop the .tar.gz version
> starting with AOO 4.2 or whatever version comes next after AOO 4.1.
>
> If nobody complains I will execute according the proposal for future
> releases.
+1
I don't know which one but maybe someone knows a survey where .tar.gz or
.tar.bz2 is the favorite. Or we can just decide from download numbers.
Marcus
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Re: [PROPOSAL]: drop tar.gz source release, 1 of 3 formats
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> currently we are preparing 3 src releases packages with the same content.
>
> For example:
>
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.bz2 -> size 217635696
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.gz -> size 287122205
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.zip -> size 335796134
>
> The first 2 are common in the unix world and the third one in the
> windows world. To reduce the used disk space on mirrors and to reduce
> uploads etc. I would like to propose that we drop the .tar.gz version
> starting with AOO 4.2 or whatever version comes next after AOO 4.1.
>
> If nobody complains I will execute according the proposal for future
> releases.
>
> Juergen
>
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As this will only apply to source release packages, I think your proposal
is fine.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]: drop tar.gz source release, 1 of 3 formats
Posted by Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn <ch...@gentoo.org>.
Jürgen Schmidt schrieb:
> On 4/15/14 1:57 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
>> Both gzip and bzip2 are rather inefficient. I suggest to replace gzip
>> with xz for the next release after 4.1 and drop bzip2 for the release
>> after that. See also
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122819
> xz compression is better but not so common, I am not sure. At Apache
> tar.gz is most common and tar.bz2 as well. But I have not seen tar.xz
xz is present in all modern Linux distributions and FreeBSD. It is also
available on Solaris 5.11 as pkg://solaris/compress/xz (but not
installed by default I think).
> And I want drop one and don't replace one.
Going from zip+gzip+bzip2 to zip+xz will drop two and add one. And it
will reduce download size for users who build from source by several
dozen MB.
Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
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Re: [PROPOSAL]: drop tar.gz source release, 1 of 3 formats
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 4/15/14 1:57 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Jürgen Schmidt schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> currently we are preparing 3 src releases packages with the same content.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.bz2 -> size 217635696
>> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.gz -> size 287122205
>> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.zip -> size 335796134
>
> xz -9e (maximum compression)
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.xz -> size 155463144
>
> xz -6 (default)
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.xz -> size 189140196
>
>> The first 2 are common in the unix world and the third one in the
>> windows world. To reduce the used disk space on mirrors and to reduce
>> uploads etc. I would like to propose that we drop the .tar.gz version
>> starting with AOO 4.2 or whatever version comes next after AOO 4.1.
>>
>> If nobody complains I will execute according the proposal for future
>> releases.
>
> Both gzip and bzip2 are rather inefficient. I suggest to replace gzip
> with xz for the next release after 4.1 and drop bzip2 for the release
> after that.
>
> See also https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122819
>
xz compression is better but not so common, I am not sure. At Apache
tar.gz is most common and tar.bz2 as well. But I have not seen tar.xz
And I want drop one and don't replace one.
Juergen
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Re: [PROPOSAL]: drop tar.gz source release, 1 of 3 formats
Posted by Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn <ch...@gentoo.org>.
Jürgen Schmidt schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> currently we are preparing 3 src releases packages with the same content.
>
> For example:
>
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.bz2 -> size 217635696
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.gz -> size 287122205
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.zip -> size 335796134
xz -9e (maximum compression)
apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.xz -> size 155463144
xz -6 (default)
apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.xz -> size 189140196
> The first 2 are common in the unix world and the third one in the
> windows world. To reduce the used disk space on mirrors and to reduce
> uploads etc. I would like to propose that we drop the .tar.gz version
> starting with AOO 4.2 or whatever version comes next after AOO 4.1.
>
> If nobody complains I will execute according the proposal for future
> releases.
Both gzip and bzip2 are rather inefficient. I suggest to replace gzip
with xz for the next release after 4.1 and drop bzip2 for the release
after that.
See also https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122819
Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
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Re: [PROPOSAL]: drop tar.gz source release, 1 of 3 formats
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
> On 15.04.2014 13:01, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> To reduce the used disk space on mirrors and to reduce
>> uploads etc. I would like to propose that we drop the .tar.gz version
>> starting with AOO 4.2 or whatever version comes next after AOO 4.1.
> +1 for dropping one of two packages.
I agree. The size reduction is not so important here (the sources are a
tiny part of our offerings and our downloads anyway, even though Apache
Infra will be happy since we host these on the Apache servers), but it's
useless duplication.
> I am not sure, if the dropped one should be the *.tar.gz one as our
> current full installation packages for Linux provided for the
> convenience of our users are *.tar.gz files.
This shouldn't be an issue. Developers who wish to work on OpenOffice on
Linux are able to use bzip2 anyway (while other more exotic formats may
still pose difficulties). On the other hand, users can continue to
download the .tar.gz package with RPMs/DEBs, but in that case we don't
use it for compressing since RPMs/DEBs are already compressed, we could
even use plain tar (for RC3: .tar.gz 156M, .tar 159M)! gzip is faster to
compress/decompress and there would be no benefits in the case of binary
packages, so this can stay as it is.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: [PROPOSAL]: drop tar.gz source release, 1 of 3 formats
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 15.04.2014 13:01, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> currently we are preparing 3 src releases packages with the same content.
>
> For example:
>
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.bz2 -> size 217635696
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.tar.gz -> size 287122205
> apache-openoffice-4.1.0-r1586584-src.zip -> size 335796134
>
> The first 2 are common in the unix world and the third one in the
> windows world. To reduce the used disk space on mirrors and to reduce
> uploads etc. I would like to propose that we drop the .tar.gz version
> starting with AOO 4.2 or whatever version comes next after AOO 4.1.
>
> If nobody complains I will execute according the proposal for future
> releases.
>
+1 for dropping one of two packages.
I am not sure, if the dropped one should be the *.tar.gz one as our
current full installation packages for Linux provided for the
convenience of our users are *.tar.gz files.
But may be this is not relevant as the target audience for the source
release and full installation packages are different.
Best regards, Oliver.
> Juergen
>
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