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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by Gábor Szabó <sz...@gmail.com> on 2005/07/15 08:09:26 UTC
[PATCH] Add Subversion in Action book
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* www/project_links.html
Add Subversion in Action book to the web site
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Gabor
Re: [PATCH] Add Subversion in Action book
Posted by William Nagel <bi...@stagelogic.com>.
On Jul 24, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Garrett Rooney wrote:
> Max Bowsher wrote:
>
>> On 7/15/05, Gábor Szabó <sz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [[[
>>> * www/project_links.html
>>> Add Subversion in Action book to the web site
>>> ]]]
>>>
>> I have skimmed the two sample chapters available for free.
>> There is some useful explanation there, but much of the condent is
>> already covered in the svnbook.
>>
>
> That seems a bit unreasonable. Every book we list on that page
> covers much of the same core content, plus a bit of their own
> stuff, I don't see why that should exclude this one. I think I've
> speaking with a bit of authority here, considering that I wrote one
> of them and tech reviewed another.
>
As the author of yet another of those books, I have to second Garrett
here. The Subversion project is best served by linking to any and
all reputable books currently available on the topic.
Also, I'd like to add that the sample chapter the publisher chose to
make available for my book is full of information that is already
covered in one form or another in the core book. It would be a
mistake, though, to assume that the whole book is derivative based
solely on that chapter.
>
>> Furthermore, this paragraph...
>> [[[
>> If you find yourself in a live discussion which touches on Subversion
>> you might like to know that those in the know do /not/ pronounce
>> it as a single
>> word, with the accent on the "ver." Instead they say is as if it were
>> two words /Sub
>> version./ Pronounce it as they do and your standing automatically
>> improves.
>> ]]]
>> ... makes me instantly dislike the book.
>> Firstly, being a committer, I would consider myself "in the know",
>> but
>> I pronounce it "Subversion", and think "Sub version" sounds
>> unnaturally awkward.
>> Secondly, I'd like to think that at least a fair proportion of those
>> "in the know" are not so shallow as to pre-judge someone by their
>> pronunciation.
>>
>
> I'm going to have to agree that it seems like a pretty silly
> paragraph, but considering that people learn about projects like
> Subversion largely through plain-text media, differences in
> pronunciation come up in various communities, and I can certainly
> see this being true in the one the author happens to be a part of...
>
> I guess what I'm saying is that yeah, it probably has some
> overlapping content, and that particular paragraph is a bit silly,
> but it is another book from a reasonably well known publisher, so
> adding it to the page adds to our credibility as a project more
> than it detracts from it.
Yup, silly paragraph, but certainly a forgivable one. I'm sure it's
true given the author's experience, and I'm also sure he chose to add
it just to put a little extra tidbit into the book to make it
interesting.
For what it's worth, I pronounce it differently from him with the
emphasis on the 'ver', but I've never met a Subversion developer in
person so I wouldn't claim to have any clue how they pronounce it.
-Bill
>
> -garrett
>
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Re: [PATCH] Add Subversion in Action book
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
Max Bowsher wrote:
> On 7/15/05, Gábor Szabó <sz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>[[[
>>* www/project_links.html
>> Add Subversion in Action book to the web site
>>]]]
>
>
> I have skimmed the two sample chapters available for free.
>
> There is some useful explanation there, but much of the condent is
> already covered in the svnbook.
That seems a bit unreasonable. Every book we list on that page covers
much of the same core content, plus a bit of their own stuff, I don't
see why that should exclude this one. I think I've speaking with a bit
of authority here, considering that I wrote one of them and tech
reviewed another.
> Furthermore, this paragraph...
>
> [[[
> If you find yourself in a live discussion which touches on Subversion
> you might like to know that those in the know do /not/ pronounce it as a single
> word, with the accent on the "ver." Instead they say is as if it were
> two words /Sub
> version./ Pronounce it as they do and your standing automatically improves.
> ]]]
>
> ... makes me instantly dislike the book.
>
> Firstly, being a committer, I would consider myself "in the know", but
> I pronounce it "Subversion", and think "Sub version" sounds
> unnaturally awkward.
>
> Secondly, I'd like to think that at least a fair proportion of those
> "in the know" are not so shallow as to pre-judge someone by their
> pronunciation.
I'm going to have to agree that it seems like a pretty silly paragraph,
but considering that people learn about projects like Subversion largely
through plain-text media, differences in pronunciation come up in
various communities, and I can certainly see this being true in the one
the author happens to be a part of...
I guess what I'm saying is that yeah, it probably has some overlapping
content, and that particular paragraph is a bit silly, but it is another
book from a reasonably well known publisher, so adding it to the page
adds to our credibility as a project more than it detracts from it.
-garrett
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Re: [PATCH] Add Subversion in Action book
Posted by Gábor Szabó <sz...@gmail.com>.
On 7/25/05, Julian Foad <ju...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Julian Foad wrote:
> > A practical but probably short-term objection is that the linked server
> > isn't responding right now. I won't add the link while it's not working.
>
> The link is working now, so I've added it (in r15410).
thanks
Gabor
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Re: [PATCH] Add Subversion in Action book
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@btopenworld.com>.
Julian Foad wrote:
> A practical but probably short-term objection is that the linked server
> isn't responding right now. I won't add the link while it's not working.
The link is working now, so I've added it (in r15410).
Thanks for the patch, Gábor.
- Julian
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Re: [PATCH] Add Subversion in Action book
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@btopenworld.com>.
Max Bowsher wrote:
> On 7/15/05, Gábor Szabó <sz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>* www/project_links.html
>> Add Subversion in Action book to the web site
[...]
> There is some useful explanation there, but much of the condent is
> already covered in the svnbook.
>
> Furthermore, this paragraph...
>
> [[[
> If you find yourself in a live discussion which touches on Subversion
> you might like to know that those in the know do /not/ pronounce it as a single
> word, with the accent on the "ver." Instead they say is as if it were
> two words /Sub
> version./ Pronounce it as they do and your standing automatically improves.
> ]]]
>
> ... makes me instantly dislike the book.
[...]
> So I am disinclined to add this book to our links page.
Well, I happen to pronounce it the way they say, and that makes me smile, so I
like the book, so I'll add the link. :-)
Sorry Max, that's me being a bit cheeky! But really, neither that nor the fact
that it is similar to other Subversion books seems like a reason not to link to it.
What I will say is that the books are cluttering up that "Documentation and
archives" section, making the other forms of documentation and archives harder
to find. The books should go under a "Books" subsection. Also, the section
"Alternate mailing list archives" only makes sense if the official archive is
mentioned; the section would be better renamed to "Mailing list archives" and
having the official archive mentioned first within it, with appropriate caveats.
A practical but probably short-term objection is that the linked server isn't
responding right now. I won't add the link while it's not working.
- Julian
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How to pronounce "Subversion" [was: [PATCH] Add Subversion in Action
book]
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@btopenworld.com>.
(I'm just re-posting this with an appropriate subject line. Has anybody
noticed that's a pet peeve? :-)
Andrew Thompson wrote:
> kfogel@collab.net wrote:
>
>> And just to settle this question... :-).
>>
>> The man who came up with the name "Subversion", Jim Blandy, pronounces
>> with the accent on the second syllable, just like the standard English
>> word. Every committer I've met in person pronounces it the same way
>> (as far as I can remember).
>>
>> See
>> http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=dev&msgNo=60111
>> for more.
>
> Do we need a recording of Mr. Blandy(or other random collab.net staff)
> pronouncing Subversion?
>
> http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav
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Re: [PATCH] Add Subversion in Action book
Posted by Andrew Thompson <an...@aktzero.com>.
kfogel@collab.net wrote:
> And just to settle this question... :-).
>
> The man who came up with the name "Subversion", Jim Blandy, pronounces
> with the accent on the second syllable, just like the standard English
> word. Every committer I've met in person pronounces it the same way
> (as far as I can remember).
>
> See http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=dev&msgNo=60111
> for more.
Do we need a recording of Mr. Blandy(or other random collab.net staff)
pronouncing Subversion?
http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav
--
Andrew Thompson
http://aktzero.com/
Re: [PATCH] Add Subversion in Action book
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Max Bowsher <ma...@gmail.com> writes:
> [[[
> If you find yourself in a live discussion which touches on Subversion
> you might like to know that those in the know do /not/ pronounce it as a single
> word, with the accent on the "ver." Instead they say is as if it were
> two words /Sub
> version./ Pronounce it as they do and your standing automatically improves.
> ]]]
>
> ... makes me instantly dislike the book.
>
> Firstly, being a committer, I would consider myself "in the know", but
> I pronounce it "Subversion", and think "Sub version" sounds
> unnaturally awkward.
And just to settle this question... :-).
The man who came up with the name "Subversion", Jim Blandy, pronounces
with the accent on the second syllable, just like the standard English
word. Every committer I've met in person pronounces it the same way
(as far as I can remember).
See http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=dev&msgNo=60111
for more.
-Karl
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Re: [PATCH] Add Subversion in Action book
Posted by Max Bowsher <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 7/15/05, Gábor Szabó <sz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [[[
> * www/project_links.html
> Add Subversion in Action book to the web site
> ]]]
I have skimmed the two sample chapters available for free.
There is some useful explanation there, but much of the condent is
already covered in the svnbook.
Furthermore, this paragraph...
[[[
If you find yourself in a live discussion which touches on Subversion
you might like to know that those in the know do /not/ pronounce it as a single
word, with the accent on the "ver." Instead they say is as if it were
two words /Sub
version./ Pronounce it as they do and your standing automatically improves.
]]]
... makes me instantly dislike the book.
Firstly, being a committer, I would consider myself "in the know", but
I pronounce it "Subversion", and think "Sub version" sounds
unnaturally awkward.
Secondly, I'd like to think that at least a fair proportion of those
"in the know" are not so shallow as to pre-judge someone by their
pronunciation.
So I am disinclined to add this book to our links page.
Max.
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