[DISCUSS] Design by committee

[Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>]

On 25 November 2014 at 14:31, Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

> -1 - only because a) I don’t understand the purpose of what is going on on
> the bird’s chest and


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmbWMy3KPTNcnuorFhjAJABm6Al8mGBu8pMsxf8mmljydrIR4O

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT24xwn6POkIGDYTCiTQV-Mplu-S7Cd1tRtgiraaZb9VutICnW1

just two photos of owls that a quick GIS revealed where the feathers on the
owls belly are typically a lighter colour or a different pattern from the
rest of the owl.

Originally this was a white patch... people objected...

The scalloping is to give the feather effect... and there are two sets of
scalloping because any single sold colour results in the shotgun effect

Some people go extra cute and make the center section a "heart"

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlwk2CQuHz9q9alG8iY5BDiC0mqWOpJBdIMmxXO7nZpN7xhWP1LA

Others go for a different colour with more explicit feather imagery

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVOyxAkja3O_JbGfsKAhwAVFHS1fNUblq3NiT8IxAgE6waH-ARcA

We want something different from others... and I like this end result...


> b) I love the idea of putting the bird in a sweater with the letter “M” on
> it.
>
>
My skills of an artist did not give a good rendition... I did try though.
If my skills were better perhaps I could have delivered such an owl...
maybe somebody will contribute a version where CK removes his glasses and
turns into super-owl




> Ralph
>
> > On Nov 25, 2014, at 5:05 AM, Andreas Gudian <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 25. November 2014 schrieb Stephen Connolly :
> >
> >> For anyone who has been living under a rock, here is the background
> >>
> >> Background
> >> =========
> >>
> >> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorganisation and a
> >> rewrite. Users cannot find what they need, and the end result is that
> >> people keep on abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
> >>
> >> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the
> >> reorganisation with the current dated look and feel of the site... I am
> not
> >> saying that picking a new logo and selecting a mascot will result in
> making
> >> progress, but it can't hurt and I believe it will help
> >>
> >> Proposed changes
> >> ===============
> >>
> >> 1. Change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk Bold with italics applied
> by
> >> Inkscape
> >> 2. Change the highlighted letter from 'a' to 'v' and replace the v with
> two
> >> Apache Feathers
> >> 3. Adopt the (currently unnamed) owl as our mascot
> >>
> >> Here is a link to the font:
> >>
> >> http://www.dafont.com/alte-haas-grotesk.font
> >>
> >> Here is a large version of the owl and the logo:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-final-large.png
> >>
> >> A regular version of the own and the logo, e.g. a size suitable for use
> in
> >> the top of the standard maven sites:
> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-final.png
> >>
> >> (Note that in all likelihood, the mascot would probably end up on the
> other
> >> side of the title bar from the logo... and that is IF the mascot ends
> up on
> >> the title bar)
> >>
> >> Here is both of those rendered in a site (as it can be helpful to see
> the
> >> graphics adjacent to text)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-final-context.png
> >>
> >>
> >> Logo Rational
> >> ===========
> >>
> >> If we do some searches for the Maven logo:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp&tbm=isch&q=maven+logo&oq=maven+logo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=maven+logo&go=Submit&qs=n&form=QBLH&scope=images&pq=maven+logo
> >>
> >> Our current logo, with a single highlighted letter stands out quite well
> >> from the other "maven" logos, so keeping a highlighted letter and an
> italic
> >> rendered font maintains continuity with our current logo.
> >>
> >> By changing the highlighted letter to the `v` and by using two Apache
> >> feathers to create the `v`, we connect our logo back to Apache... we are
> >> Apache Maven after all.
> >>
> >> The `v` is also the common short term for version (e.g.v3 is short for
> >> version 3). Apache Maven puts a lot of emphasis on versions of
> dependencies
> >> and plugins... you could say that versions are very important to Maven.
> >>
> >> The colours of the feather were changed to solid colours to match the
> owl
> >> mascot's scarf, beak and eyebrows
> >>
> >> Voting rules
> >> =========
> >>
> >> Anyone who is subscribed to the dev or users list is eligible to vote.
> >>
> >> If you vote multiple times, only your final vote will be counted.
> >>
> >> The vote will be open until 1:00pm GMT on Wed 3rd Dec 2014
> >>
> >> The vote is for all three changes as one single change. Partial votes
> (e.g.
> >> for the logo but not the mascot, or vice-versa) will not be counted.
> >>
> >> I, as the caller of the vote, reserve the right to cancel the vote if
> this
> >> vote is putting the harmony of the community at risk.
> >>
> >> If a majority of the PMC believe that this vote is putting the harmony
> of
> >> the community at risk, then the PMC may cancel this vote (though if
> even a
> >> small minority of the PMC were of that belief, I will more than likely
> have
> >> cancelled the vote before the PMC would need to decide... I'm just
> stating
> >> this FTR)
> >>
> >> The decision will be a simple majority, there will be no special veto
> >> powers.
> >>
> >> +1: [ ] Change the logo to the proposed logo and adopt the owl as
> project
> >> mascot
> >> 0: [ ] No opinion
> >> -1: [ ] No change
> >>
> >> Please only respond with +1, 0 or -1. If you want to discuss the
> proposed
> >> changes please use a different thread. This thread is for voting only.
> >>
> >> -Stephen
> >>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Design by committee

[Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>]

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 25 November 2014 at 14:31, Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> -1 - only because a) I don’t understand the purpose of what is going on on
>> the bird’s chest and
> 
> 
> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmbWMy3KPTNcnuorFhjAJABm6Al8mGBu8pMsxf8mmljydrIR4O
> 
> https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT24xwn6POkIGDYTCiTQV-Mplu-S7Cd1tRtgiraaZb9VutICnW1 <https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT24xwn6POkIGDYTCiTQV-Mplu-S7Cd1tRtgiraaZb9VutICnW1>

Nice photos!

> 
> just two photos of owls that a quick GIS revealed where the feathers on the
> owls belly are typically a lighter colour or a different pattern from the
> rest of the owl.
> 
> Originally this was a white patch... people objected...
> 
> The scalloping is to give the feather effect... and there are two sets of
> scalloping because any single sold colour results in the shotgun effect
> 
> Some people go extra cute and make the center section a "heart"
> 
> https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlwk2CQuHz9q9alG8iY5BDiC0mqWOpJBdIMmxXO7nZpN7xhWP1LA <https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlwk2CQuHz9q9alG8iY5BDiC0mqWOpJBdIMmxXO7nZpN7xhWP1LA>

This one actually looks like an owl to me.

> 
> Others go for a different colour with more explicit feather imagery
> 
> https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVOyxAkja3O_JbGfsKAhwAVFHS1fNUblq3NiT8IxAgE6waH-ARcA <https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVOyxAkja3O_JbGfsKAhwAVFHS1fNUblq3NiT8IxAgE6waH-ARcA>

Hmm. Looks like an owl wearing “old man” pants to me. ;-)

> 
> We want something different from others... and I like this end result...
> 
> 
>> b) I love the idea of putting the bird in a sweater with the letter “M” on
>> it.
>> 
>> 
> My skills of an artist did not give a good rendition... I did try though.
> If my skills were better perhaps I could have delivered such an owl...
> maybe somebody will contribute a version where CK removes his glasses and
> turns into super-owl
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 5:05 AM, Andreas Gudian <an...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> Am Dienstag, 25. November 2014 schrieb Stephen Connolly :
>>> 
>>>> For anyone who has been living under a rock, here is the background
>>>> 
>>>> Background
>>>> =========
>>>> 
>>>> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorganisation and a
>>>> rewrite. Users cannot find what they need, and the end result is that
>>>> people keep on abusing maven rather than having maven help them.
>>>> 
>>>> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the
>>>> reorganisation with the current dated look and feel of the site... I am
>> not
>>>> saying that picking a new logo and selecting a mascot will result in
>> making
>>>> progress, but it can't hurt and I believe it will help
>>>> 
>>>> Proposed changes
>>>> ===============
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Change the logo font to Alte Haas Grotesk Bold with italics applied
>> by
>>>> Inkscape
>>>> 2. Change the highlighted letter from 'a' to 'v' and replace the v with
>> two
>>>> Apache Feathers
>>>> 3. Adopt the (currently unnamed) owl as our mascot
>>>> 
>>>> Here is a link to the font:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.dafont.com/alte-haas-grotesk.font
>>>> 
>>>> Here is a large version of the owl and the logo:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-final-large.png
>>>> 
>>>> A regular version of the own and the logo, e.g. a size suitable for use
>> in
>>>> the top of the standard maven sites:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-final.png
>>>> 
>>>> (Note that in all likelihood, the mascot would probably end up on the
>> other
>>>> side of the title bar from the logo... and that is IF the mascot ends
>> up on
>>>> the title bar)
>>>> 
>>>> Here is both of those rendered in a site (as it can be helpful to see
>> the
>>>> graphics adjacent to text)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-final-context.png
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Logo Rational
>>>> ===========
>>>> 
>>>> If we do some searches for the Maven logo:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp&tbm=isch&q=maven+logo&oq=maven+logo
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=maven+logo&go=Submit&qs=n&form=QBLH&scope=images&pq=maven+logo
>>>> 
>>>> Our current logo, with a single highlighted letter stands out quite well
>>>> from the other "maven" logos, so keeping a highlighted letter and an
>> italic
>>>> rendered font maintains continuity with our current logo.
>>>> 
>>>> By changing the highlighted letter to the `v` and by using two Apache
>>>> feathers to create the `v`, we connect our logo back to Apache... we are
>>>> Apache Maven after all.
>>>> 
>>>> The `v` is also the common short term for version (e.g.v3 is short for
>>>> version 3). Apache Maven puts a lot of emphasis on versions of
>> dependencies
>>>> and plugins... you could say that versions are very important to Maven.
>>>> 
>>>> The colours of the feather were changed to solid colours to match the
>> owl
>>>> mascot's scarf, beak and eyebrows
>>>> 
>>>> Voting rules
>>>> =========
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone who is subscribed to the dev or users list is eligible to vote.
>>>> 
>>>> If you vote multiple times, only your final vote will be counted.
>>>> 
>>>> The vote will be open until 1:00pm GMT on Wed 3rd Dec 2014
>>>> 
>>>> The vote is for all three changes as one single change. Partial votes
>> (e.g.
>>>> for the logo but not the mascot, or vice-versa) will not be counted.
>>>> 
>>>> I, as the caller of the vote, reserve the right to cancel the vote if
>> this
>>>> vote is putting the harmony of the community at risk.
>>>> 
>>>> If a majority of the PMC believe that this vote is putting the harmony
>> of
>>>> the community at risk, then the PMC may cancel this vote (though if
>> even a
>>>> small minority of the PMC were of that belief, I will more than likely
>> have
>>>> cancelled the vote before the PMC would need to decide... I'm just
>> stating
>>>> this FTR)
>>>> 
>>>> The decision will be a simple majority, there will be no special veto
>>>> powers.
>>>> 
>>>> +1: [ ] Change the logo to the proposed logo and adopt the owl as
>> project
>>>> mascot
>>>> 0: [ ] No opinion
>>>> -1: [ ] No change
>>>> 
>>>> Please only respond with +1, 0 or -1. If you want to discuss the
>> proposed
>>>> changes please use a different thread. This thread is for voting only.
>>>> 
>>>> -Stephen
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
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