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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org> on 2005/08/01 07:59:05 UTC
Re: Geronimo tooling dontation
I think it would be great to have it here.
Question - we would need to have it re-licensed under the Apache
License v2.0. Is that possible?
geir
On Jul 29, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> It seems as if a decision needs to be made to determine the
> appropiate place to host the Eclipse tooling support for Geronimo,
> in particular the Geronimo Server Adapter that is currently in
> development in the Eclipse - WTP project.
>
> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-gerplug/
>
> As I've made enhancements to this Geronimo tooling support, I've
> been forced to pull in Geronimo runtime dependencies, for access
> not only to the Geronimo runtime itself but to JEE spec jars.
>
> Discussions have arose as I've been working with the Eclipse WTP
> team to push these changes in. It is their belief that if this
> server adapter is pulling in third party jars then it falls under
> the category of being a full-fledged adapter that is too large to
> host and be a part of WTP. The existing adapters for the other
> application servers that are included in WTP are lightweight and
> serve primarily as examples for basic support. There has been some
> discussion planning to provide the JMX jars and a set of utilties
> as part of WTP that other server adapters can exploit. However
> this is not expected until WTP 1.5 in June 06 at the earliest.
> This is not good for the Geronimo community. We need an immediate
> place to host this source so the community can have the latest
> source to start using, opening bugs and feature requests, and
> contributing to it. As everyone works hard toward the completion
> of the Geronimo's first release it would be great if we had a good
> start for tooling support to go along with 1.0.
>
> So the first decision we need to come to is where should this be
> hosted? The first option is creating a sourceforge project and
> build a secondary community around it. The other, is to host on
> Apache itself as part of the Geronimo project. The latter I feel
> is a much better option as by simply including it as part of the
> Geronimo project itself, it provides a much stronger integration
> statement to the existing community. So the Apache Geronimo
> project would include not only the development of server itself but
> also the tooling that goes along with it.
>
> So the proposal is that we create a seperate branch for tooling in
> subversion and host the source there. The next step would be to
> provide the build and packaging infrastructure to go around it and
> to be able to pull down dependencies to build which include
> Eclipse, WTP, and of course the Geronimo runtime itself.
>
> Thoughts, objections, comments???
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sachin.
>
>
>
--
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geirm@apache.org
Re: Geronimo tooling dontation
Posted by David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>.
I agree. Thanks for pointing out codehaus in case there are problems
changing the license to ASL2.
david jencks
On Aug 1, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> My preference for the project home is:
>
> eclipse.org
> geronimo.apache.org
> something.codehaus.org
> something.sf.net
>
> Since eclipse.org is not an option, my vote is for geronimo.apache.org.
>
> -dain
>
> On Aug 1, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>
>> Great. I assuming no one else has any strong objections. If not,
>> I'll be glad to start driving this. I'm not sure about the licensing
>> issues... I'll shoot of a note to the eclipse folks.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> I think it would be great to have it here.
>>>
>>> Question - we would need to have it re-licensed under the Apache
>>> License v2.0. Is that possible?
>>>
>>> geir
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> It seems as if a decision needs to be made to determine the
>>>> appropiate place to host the Eclipse tooling support for Geronimo,
>>>> in particular the Geronimo Server Adapter that is currently in
>>>> development in the Eclipse - WTP project.
>>>>
>>>> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-gerplug/
>>>>
>>>> As I've made enhancements to this Geronimo tooling support, I've
>>>> been forced to pull in Geronimo runtime dependencies, for access
>>>> not only to the Geronimo runtime itself but to JEE spec jars.
>>>>
>>>> Discussions have arose as I've been working with the Eclipse WTP
>>>> team to push these changes in. It is their belief that if this
>>>> server adapter is pulling in third party jars then it falls under
>>>> the category of being a full-fledged adapter that is too large to
>>>> host and be a part of WTP. The existing adapters for the other
>>>> application servers that are included in WTP are lightweight and
>>>> serve primarily as examples for basic support. There has been some
>>>> discussion planning to provide the JMX jars and a set of utilties
>>>> as part of WTP that other server adapters can exploit. However
>>>> this is not expected until WTP 1.5 in June 06 at the earliest.
>>>> This is not good for the Geronimo community. We need an immediate
>>>> place to host this source so the community can have the latest
>>>> source to start using, opening bugs and feature requests, and
>>>> contributing to it. As everyone works hard toward the completion
>>>> of the Geronimo's first release it would be great if we had a good
>>>> start for tooling support to go along with 1.0.
>>>>
>>>> So the first decision we need to come to is where should this be
>>>> hosted? The first option is creating a sourceforge project and
>>>> build a secondary community around it. The other, is to host on
>>>> Apache itself as part of the Geronimo project. The latter I feel
>>>> is a much better option as by simply including it as part of the
>>>> Geronimo project itself, it provides a much stronger integration
>>>> statement to the existing community. So the Apache Geronimo
>>>> project would include not only the development of server itself but
>>>> also the tooling that goes along with it.
>>>>
>>>> So the proposal is that we create a seperate branch for tooling in
>>>> subversion and host the source there. The next step would be to
>>>> provide the build and packaging infrastructure to go around it and
>>>> to be able to pull down dependencies to build which include
>>>> Eclipse, WTP, and of course the Geronimo runtime itself.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts, objections, comments???
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Sachin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Geronimo tooling dontation
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
My preference for the project home is:
eclipse.org
geronimo.apache.org
something.codehaus.org
something.sf.net
Since eclipse.org is not an option, my vote is for geronimo.apache.org.
-dain
On Aug 1, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
> Great. I assuming no one else has any strong objections. If not,
> I'll be glad to start driving this. I'm not sure about the
> licensing issues... I'll shoot of a note to the eclipse folks.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>> I think it would be great to have it here.
>>
>> Question - we would need to have it re-licensed under the Apache
>> License v2.0. Is that possible?
>>
>> geir
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> It seems as if a decision needs to be made to determine the
>>> appropiate place to host the Eclipse tooling support for
>>> Geronimo, in particular the Geronimo Server Adapter that is
>>> currently in development in the Eclipse - WTP project.
>>>
>>> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-gerplug/
>>>
>>> As I've made enhancements to this Geronimo tooling support, I've
>>> been forced to pull in Geronimo runtime dependencies, for access
>>> not only to the Geronimo runtime itself but to JEE spec jars.
>>>
>>> Discussions have arose as I've been working with the Eclipse WTP
>>> team to push these changes in. It is their belief that if this
>>> server adapter is pulling in third party jars then it falls
>>> under the category of being a full-fledged adapter that is too
>>> large to host and be a part of WTP. The existing adapters for
>>> the other application servers that are included in WTP are
>>> lightweight and serve primarily as examples for basic support.
>>> There has been some discussion planning to provide the JMX jars
>>> and a set of utilties as part of WTP that other server adapters
>>> can exploit. However this is not expected until WTP 1.5 in June
>>> 06 at the earliest. This is not good for the Geronimo
>>> community. We need an immediate place to host this source so
>>> the community can have the latest source to start using, opening
>>> bugs and feature requests, and contributing to it. As everyone
>>> works hard toward the completion of the Geronimo's first release
>>> it would be great if we had a good start for tooling support to
>>> go along with 1.0.
>>>
>>> So the first decision we need to come to is where should this be
>>> hosted? The first option is creating a sourceforge project and
>>> build a secondary community around it. The other, is to host on
>>> Apache itself as part of the Geronimo project. The latter I
>>> feel is a much better option as by simply including it as part
>>> of the Geronimo project itself, it provides a much stronger
>>> integration statement to the existing community. So the Apache
>>> Geronimo project would include not only the development of
>>> server itself but also the tooling that goes along with it.
>>>
>>> So the proposal is that we create a seperate branch for tooling
>>> in subversion and host the source there. The next step would be
>>> to provide the build and packaging infrastructure to go around
>>> it and to be able to pull down dependencies to build which
>>> include Eclipse, WTP, and of course the Geronimo runtime itself.
>>>
>>> Thoughts, objections, comments???
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Sachin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Geronimo tooling dontation
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Aug 2, 2005, at 8:50 AM, Donald Woods wrote:
> +1 on hosting the Eclipse tooling for Geronimo, but
> wouldn't it be more useful for everyone if its
> integrated into the main trunk, so it can be built and
> shipped with a given server level for runtime
> application deployment and debugging?
The place in the source tree isn't as important as making sure that
we have it. I'm sure that if we have it here, we'll certainly ensure
that it's part of our distributions - we have a strong interest in
ensuring that Geronimo has the best tooling we can provide.
(And maybe it will inspire IDEA-based tooling as well so I can use it :)
geir
>
> -Donald
>
>
> --- "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>> Does anyone else have any comments or objections
>> before we go down
>> this path?
>>
>> geir
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Great. I assuming no one else has any strong
>>>
>> objections. If not,
>>
>>> I'll be glad to start driving this. I'm not sure
>>>
>> about the
>>
>>> licensing issues... I'll shoot of a note to the
>>>
>> eclipse folks.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think it would be great to have it here.
>>>>
>>>> Question - we would need to have it re-licensed
>>>>
>> under the Apache
>>
>>>> License v2.0. Is that possible?
>>>>
>>>> geir
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems as if a decision needs to be made to
>>>>>
>> determine the
>>
>>>>> appropiate place to host the Eclipse tooling
>>>>>
>> support for
>>
>>>>> Geronimo, in particular the Geronimo Server
>>>>>
>> Adapter that is
>>
>>>>> currently in development in the Eclipse - WTP
>>>>>
>> project.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-gerplug/
>
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've made enhancements to this Geronimo
>>>>>
>> tooling support, I've
>>
>>>>> been forced to pull in Geronimo runtime
>>>>>
>> dependencies, for access
>>
>>>>> not only to the Geronimo runtime itself but to
>>>>>
>> JEE spec jars.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Discussions have arose as I've been working with
>>>>>
>> the Eclipse WTP
>>
>>>>> team to push these changes in. It is their
>>>>>
>> belief that if this
>>
>>>>> server adapter is pulling in third party jars
>>>>>
>> then it falls
>>
>>>>> under the category of being a full-fledged
>>>>>
>> adapter that is too
>>
>>>>> large to host and be a part of WTP. The
>>>>>
>> existing adapters for
>>
>>>>> the other application servers that are included
>>>>>
>> in WTP are
>>
>>>>> lightweight and serve primarily as examples for
>>>>>
>> basic support.
>>
>>>>> There has been some discussion planning to
>>>>>
>> provide the JMX jars
>>
>>>>> and a set of utilties as part of WTP that other
>>>>>
>> server adapters
>>
>>>>> can exploit. However this is not expected
>>>>>
>> until WTP 1.5 in June
>>
>>>>> 06 at the earliest. This is not good for the
>>>>>
>> Geronimo
>>
>>>>> community. We need an immediate place to host
>>>>>
>> this source so
>>
>>>>> the community can have the latest source to
>>>>>
>> start using, opening
>>
>>>>> bugs and feature requests, and contributing to
>>>>>
>> it. As everyone
>>
>>>>> works hard toward the completion of the
>>>>>
>> Geronimo's first release
>>
>>>>> it would be great if we had a good start for
>>>>>
>> tooling support to
>>
>>>>> go along with 1.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the first decision we need to come to is
>>>>>
>> where should this be
>>
>>>>> hosted? The first option is creating a
>>>>>
>> sourceforge project and
>>
>>>>> build a secondary community around it. The
>>>>>
>> other, is to host on
>>
>>>>> Apache itself as part of the Geronimo project.
>>>>>
>> The latter I
>>
>>>>> feel is a much better option as by simply
>>>>>
>> including it as part
>>
>>>>> of the Geronimo project itself, it provides a
>>>>>
>> much stronger
>>
>>>>> integration statement to the existing
>>>>>
>> community. So the Apache
>>
>>>>> Geronimo project would include not only the
>>>>>
>> development of
>>
>>>>> server itself but also the tooling that goes
>>>>>
>> along with it.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So the proposal is that we create a seperate
>>>>>
>> branch for tooling
>>
>>>>> in subversion and host the source there. The
>>>>>
>> next step would be
>>
>>>>> to provide the build and packaging
>>>>>
>> infrastructure to go around
>>
>>>>> it and to be able to pull down dependencies to
>>>>>
>> build which
>>
>>>>> include Eclipse, WTP, and of course the
>>>>>
>> Geronimo runtime itself.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts, objections, comments???
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sachin.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Geir Magnusson Jr
>> +1-203-665-6437
>> geirm@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Geronimo tooling dontation
Posted by Donald Woods <dr...@yahoo.com>.
+1 on hosting the Eclipse tooling for Geronimo, but
wouldn't it be more useful for everyone if its
integrated into the main trunk, so it can be built and
shipped with a given server level for runtime
application deployment and debugging?
-Donald
--- "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> Does anyone else have any comments or objections
> before we go down
> this path?
>
> geir
>
> On Aug 1, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>
> > Great. I assuming no one else has any strong
> objections. If not,
> > I'll be glad to start driving this. I'm not sure
> about the
> > licensing issues... I'll shoot of a note to the
> eclipse folks.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >
> >> I think it would be great to have it here.
> >>
> >> Question - we would need to have it re-licensed
> under the Apache
> >> License v2.0. Is that possible?
> >>
> >> geir
> >>
> >> On Jul 29, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> It seems as if a decision needs to be made to
> determine the
> >>> appropiate place to host the Eclipse tooling
> support for
> >>> Geronimo, in particular the Geronimo Server
> Adapter that is
> >>> currently in development in the Eclipse - WTP
> project.
> >>>
> >>>
>
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-gerplug/
> >>>
> >>> As I've made enhancements to this Geronimo
> tooling support, I've
> >>> been forced to pull in Geronimo runtime
> dependencies, for access
> >>> not only to the Geronimo runtime itself but to
> JEE spec jars.
> >>>
> >>> Discussions have arose as I've been working with
> the Eclipse WTP
> >>> team to push these changes in. It is their
> belief that if this
> >>> server adapter is pulling in third party jars
> then it falls
> >>> under the category of being a full-fledged
> adapter that is too
> >>> large to host and be a part of WTP. The
> existing adapters for
> >>> the other application servers that are included
> in WTP are
> >>> lightweight and serve primarily as examples for
> basic support.
> >>> There has been some discussion planning to
> provide the JMX jars
> >>> and a set of utilties as part of WTP that other
> server adapters
> >>> can exploit. However this is not expected
> until WTP 1.5 in June
> >>> 06 at the earliest. This is not good for the
> Geronimo
> >>> community. We need an immediate place to host
> this source so
> >>> the community can have the latest source to
> start using, opening
> >>> bugs and feature requests, and contributing to
> it. As everyone
> >>> works hard toward the completion of the
> Geronimo's first release
> >>> it would be great if we had a good start for
> tooling support to
> >>> go along with 1.0.
> >>>
> >>> So the first decision we need to come to is
> where should this be
> >>> hosted? The first option is creating a
> sourceforge project and
> >>> build a secondary community around it. The
> other, is to host on
> >>> Apache itself as part of the Geronimo project.
> The latter I
> >>> feel is a much better option as by simply
> including it as part
> >>> of the Geronimo project itself, it provides a
> much stronger
> >>> integration statement to the existing
> community. So the Apache
> >>> Geronimo project would include not only the
> development of
> >>> server itself but also the tooling that goes
> along with it.
> >>>
> >>> So the proposal is that we create a seperate
> branch for tooling
> >>> in subversion and host the source there. The
> next step would be
> >>> to provide the build and packaging
> infrastructure to go around
> >>> it and to be able to pull down dependencies to
> build which
> >>> include Eclipse, WTP, and of course the
> Geronimo runtime itself.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts, objections, comments???
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>>
> >>> Sachin.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr
> +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>
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Re: Geronimo tooling dontation
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
Does anyone else have any comments or objections before we go down
this path?
geir
On Aug 1, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
> Great. I assuming no one else has any strong objections. If not,
> I'll be glad to start driving this. I'm not sure about the
> licensing issues... I'll shoot of a note to the eclipse folks.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>> I think it would be great to have it here.
>>
>> Question - we would need to have it re-licensed under the Apache
>> License v2.0. Is that possible?
>>
>> geir
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> It seems as if a decision needs to be made to determine the
>>> appropiate place to host the Eclipse tooling support for
>>> Geronimo, in particular the Geronimo Server Adapter that is
>>> currently in development in the Eclipse - WTP project.
>>>
>>> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-gerplug/
>>>
>>> As I've made enhancements to this Geronimo tooling support, I've
>>> been forced to pull in Geronimo runtime dependencies, for access
>>> not only to the Geronimo runtime itself but to JEE spec jars.
>>>
>>> Discussions have arose as I've been working with the Eclipse WTP
>>> team to push these changes in. It is their belief that if this
>>> server adapter is pulling in third party jars then it falls
>>> under the category of being a full-fledged adapter that is too
>>> large to host and be a part of WTP. The existing adapters for
>>> the other application servers that are included in WTP are
>>> lightweight and serve primarily as examples for basic support.
>>> There has been some discussion planning to provide the JMX jars
>>> and a set of utilties as part of WTP that other server adapters
>>> can exploit. However this is not expected until WTP 1.5 in June
>>> 06 at the earliest. This is not good for the Geronimo
>>> community. We need an immediate place to host this source so
>>> the community can have the latest source to start using, opening
>>> bugs and feature requests, and contributing to it. As everyone
>>> works hard toward the completion of the Geronimo's first release
>>> it would be great if we had a good start for tooling support to
>>> go along with 1.0.
>>>
>>> So the first decision we need to come to is where should this be
>>> hosted? The first option is creating a sourceforge project and
>>> build a secondary community around it. The other, is to host on
>>> Apache itself as part of the Geronimo project. The latter I
>>> feel is a much better option as by simply including it as part
>>> of the Geronimo project itself, it provides a much stronger
>>> integration statement to the existing community. So the Apache
>>> Geronimo project would include not only the development of
>>> server itself but also the tooling that goes along with it.
>>>
>>> So the proposal is that we create a seperate branch for tooling
>>> in subversion and host the source there. The next step would be
>>> to provide the build and packaging infrastructure to go around
>>> it and to be able to pull down dependencies to build which
>>> include Eclipse, WTP, and of course the Geronimo runtime itself.
>>>
>>> Thoughts, objections, comments???
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Sachin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: Geronimo tooling dontation
Posted by Sachin Patel <sp...@gmail.com>.
Great. I assuming no one else has any strong objections. If not, I'll
be glad to start driving this. I'm not sure about the licensing
issues... I'll shoot of a note to the eclipse folks.
Thanks.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> I think it would be great to have it here.
>
> Question - we would need to have it re-licensed under the Apache
> License v2.0. Is that possible?
>
> geir
>
> On Jul 29, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> It seems as if a decision needs to be made to determine the
>> appropiate place to host the Eclipse tooling support for Geronimo,
>> in particular the Geronimo Server Adapter that is currently in
>> development in the Eclipse - WTP project.
>>
>> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-gerplug/
>>
>> As I've made enhancements to this Geronimo tooling support, I've
>> been forced to pull in Geronimo runtime dependencies, for access not
>> only to the Geronimo runtime itself but to JEE spec jars.
>>
>> Discussions have arose as I've been working with the Eclipse WTP
>> team to push these changes in. It is their belief that if this
>> server adapter is pulling in third party jars then it falls under
>> the category of being a full-fledged adapter that is too large to
>> host and be a part of WTP. The existing adapters for the other
>> application servers that are included in WTP are lightweight and
>> serve primarily as examples for basic support. There has been some
>> discussion planning to provide the JMX jars and a set of utilties as
>> part of WTP that other server adapters can exploit. However this is
>> not expected until WTP 1.5 in June 06 at the earliest. This is not
>> good for the Geronimo community. We need an immediate place to host
>> this source so the community can have the latest source to start
>> using, opening bugs and feature requests, and contributing to it.
>> As everyone works hard toward the completion of the Geronimo's first
>> release it would be great if we had a good start for tooling support
>> to go along with 1.0.
>>
>> So the first decision we need to come to is where should this be
>> hosted? The first option is creating a sourceforge project and build
>> a secondary community around it. The other, is to host on Apache
>> itself as part of the Geronimo project. The latter I feel is a much
>> better option as by simply including it as part of the Geronimo
>> project itself, it provides a much stronger integration statement to
>> the existing community. So the Apache Geronimo project would
>> include not only the development of server itself but also the
>> tooling that goes along with it.
>>
>> So the proposal is that we create a seperate branch for tooling in
>> subversion and host the source there. The next step would be to
>> provide the build and packaging infrastructure to go around it and
>> to be able to pull down dependencies to build which include Eclipse,
>> WTP, and of course the Geronimo runtime itself.
>>
>> Thoughts, objections, comments???
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Sachin.
>>
>>
>>
>