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Posted to user@lenya.apache.org by Rolf Kulemann <ma...@rolf-kulemann.com> on 2003/11/26 19:55:31 UTC
Re: Information hiding for URIs
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 17:02, Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 16:01, Tomasz Nowak wrote:
> > Rolf Kulemann <ma...@rolf-kulemann.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > By default the lenya sitetree for example should display URIs like:
> > > >
> > > > lenya/live/
> > > > lenya/live/contact/
> > > > lenya/live/products/
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > and not like this
> > > >
> > > > lenya/live/index.html
> > > > lenya/live/contact.html
> > > > lenya/live/products.html
> >
> > what about:
> >
> > lenya/live
> > lenya/live/contact
> > lenya/live/products
I have again thought about it. And as TBL proposed we should leave the
slash away, which is already supported by the patch.
I only have to change sitetree2nav.xsl to leave out file extensions by default without appending a slash.
A Question to the list:
How is content negotiation possible with Lenya/Cocoon/Tomcat?
Normally you can do it with Apache. But if I use tomcat with apache the
requests are delegated to the servlet engines context, arent't they.
I'm not that familiar with tomcat/cocoons capabilities for content neg.
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Re: Information hiding for URIs
Posted by Christian Egli <ch...@wyona.net>.
Rolf Kulemann <ma...@rolf-kulemann.com> writes:
> On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 10:16, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> > Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > But I see your point with the file header stuff now. One problem when
> > > patching the DocuemntBuilder was the determination of the doctype. It is
> > > bound to the file extension, afaik.
> >
> > Do you mean the doctype as referenced in the page envelope?
> > This is determined by the URIParameterizer (usually using the
> > SourceTypeAction). It is not related to the file extension.
>
> Oh, yes, your are right. Can somebody tell me how the SourceResolver is
> working?
Do you mean the SourceTypeAction?
http://outerthought.net/forrest/cap.html
It is used in the parameter-doctype.xmap to determine the doctype of a
given document (see
http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya/docs/components/uri-handling/URIParametrizer.html).
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Re: Information hiding for URIs
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ma...@rolf-kulemann.com>.
On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 10:16, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Rolf Kulemann wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > But I see your point with the file header stuff now. One problem when
> > patching the DocuemntBuilder was the determination of the doctype. It is
> > bound to the file extension, afaik.
>
> Do you mean the doctype as referenced in the page envelope?
> This is determined by the URIParameterizer (usually using the
> SourceTypeAction). It is not related to the file extension.
Oh, yes, your are right. Can somebody tell me how the SourceResolver is
working?
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Re: Information hiding for URIs
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
[...]
> But I see your point with the file header stuff now. One problem when
> patching the DocuemntBuilder was the determination of the doctype. It is
> bound to the file extension, afaik.
Do you mean the doctype as referenced in the page envelope?
This is determined by the URIParameterizer (usually using the
SourceTypeAction). It is not related to the file extension.
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Re: Information hiding for URIs
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ma...@rolf-kulemann.com>.
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 21:19, Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> Rolf Kulemann wrote:
>
> > What did you mean with "...when it comes to http headers..."?
>
> sorry, was unclear. what i meant is to have different representations
> for the same url. http://norman.walsh.name/2003/07/02/conneg
>
> this particular aspect is not detracting from your concept though, just
> some follow up ideas.
>
> -gregor
Uuh. I think we shoudn't make our hands dirty with (re)implement a
content neg. in lenya. I think it is enough , at the mom, to support
uri's without file extension (simply). The rest should be carried out to
the web server i.e. apache. In lenya authoring/live area one can use the
fallback file extension normally configured within apache when using
content neg. i.e. always using jpg or so.
But I see your point with the file header stuff now. One problem when
patching the DocuemntBuilder was the determination of the doctype. It is
bound to the file extension, afaik.
Of course it would be great, if lenya could simulate content neg., but I
think there are more important thinks to implement like xmldb, asset
store, a site/pub administration module etc....
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Re: Information hiding for URIs
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> What did you mean with "...when it comes to http headers..."?
sorry, was unclear. what i meant is to have different representations
for the same url. http://norman.walsh.name/2003/07/02/conneg
this particular aspect is not detracting from your concept though, just
some follow up ideas.
-gregor
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Re: Information hiding for URIs
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ma...@rolf-kulemann.com>.
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 20:12, Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> > A Question to the list:
> >
> > How is content negotiation possible with Lenya/Cocoon/Tomcat?
> > Normally you can do it with Apache. But if I use tomcat with apache the
> > requests are delegated to the servlet engines context, arent't they.
> >
> > I'm not that familiar with tomcat/cocoons capabilities for content neg.
>
> another side effect just occured to me. if you deliver through static
> html with apache, you'd want to make sure that you have the same
> capabilities in your delivery engine as in the authoring engine when it
> comes to http headers etc. content negotiation is out of band, if that
> makes sense, and replicating those are currently outside the scope of
> lenya. maybe they should be, at some point?
>
> -gregor
Mhh, maybe I got you wrong but, if you use urls like
authoring/contact
authoring/products
It should be easy to configure apache for content neg. The website
developer has to decide for an url scheme, so if he uses .html or not in
sitettree objects for example. If he is not using file extensions he has
to configure apache.
Another solution could be to use a slash at the end, so
authoring/contact/
authoring/products/
apache then looks for a file like
authoring/contact/index.html
authoring/products/index.html
which should be found after an export.
But I think using content neg in apache is the best solution when
serving static pages.
What did you mean with "...when it comes to http headers..."?
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Re: Information hiding for URIs
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
> A Question to the list:
>
> How is content negotiation possible with Lenya/Cocoon/Tomcat?
> Normally you can do it with Apache. But if I use tomcat with apache the
> requests are delegated to the servlet engines context, arent't they.
>
> I'm not that familiar with tomcat/cocoons capabilities for content neg.
another side effect just occured to me. if you deliver through static
html with apache, you'd want to make sure that you have the same
capabilities in your delivery engine as in the authoring engine when it
comes to http headers etc. content negotiation is out of band, if that
makes sense, and replicating those are currently outside the scope of
lenya. maybe they should be, at some point?
-gregor
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