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Posted to dev@devicemap.apache.org by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> on 2013/04/29 18:55:50 UTC
Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Hi,
Let me ask this in a separate thread once more. Do any of you see value in
supporting M2M related solutions like OMA-DM?
Especially things like the "Device Inventory", see
http://download.forge.objectweb.org/sync4j/funambol_dm_server_developer_guide.pdf
but most of the concepts, just take "J2EE" are hopelessly old and outdated
today. Of course, some approaches like Spring while still used a lot may
also be adjusted towards Java EE 6/7, CDI, especially given Apache projects
like DeltaSpike for Java EE we could use at least where Java is applied on
the server side.
WDYT?
Werner
Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Well I don't think any M2M reps except maybe Cinterion whom I discussed
OMA-DM with before would make it to Zurich, but if they do, maybe we could
also briefly speak about that...
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> At a high level, sounds reasonable.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
>
>
>
> Phones not in all cases, but it seems, some operators or especially
> Private Mobile Networks inside companies use it to remotely manage devices.
>
> Does that sound OK?
>
> Werner
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ok, so this is used by phones on the telecom networks...??? If they
> require any amount of pattern based recognition (the more the better), then
> yes, this would be a great fit :]
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> >To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:15 PM
> >Subject: Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
> >
> >
> >
> >Reza,
> >
> >Beside the PDF I mentioned by the most significant profider of a DM server
> >implementation (all others seem to be mostly experimental, even at
> Eclipse)
> >please find this page in the Eclipse M2M IWG:
> >http://m2m.eclipse.org/protocols.html#oma-dm
> >
> >Hope that helps, otherwise I may ask some IWG Members to provide further
> >information, especially IBM and Sierra seem quite convinced, there are M2M
> >Use Cases for it.
> >
> >The recognition and inventory of devices is an area where I would see
> >synergies. While I don't think Oracle Java Embedded SDK used OMA-DM, it
> had
> >a slightly similar purpose for WURFL until 3.0 or 3.1 of its SDK.
> >
> >They then dropped it also for the reasons we all know, but at least where
> >web-apps or a central "repository" of devices are involved, it looks like
> >using a device description repository like what we plan here could benefit
> >a lot.
> >
> >HTH,
> >Wernrer
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> To help me better understand, can you give me a real world example this?
> >> M2M, OMA-DM?
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> >> To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Cc: reza.naghibi@yahoo.com
> >> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:55 PM
> >> Subject: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Let me ask this in a separate thread once more. Do any of you see value
> in
> >> supporting M2M related solutions like OMA-DM?
> >>
> >> Especially things like the "Device Inventory", see
> >>
> >>
> http://download.forge.objectweb.org/sync4j/funambol_dm_server_developer_guide.pdf
> >> but most of the concepts, just take "J2EE" are hopelessly old and
> outdated
> >> today. Of course, some approaches like Spring while still used a lot may
> >> also be adjusted towards Java EE 6/7, CDI, especially given Apache
> projects
> >> like DeltaSpike for Java EE we could use at least where Java is applied
> on
> >> the server side.
> >>
> >> WDYT?
> >> Werner
> >>
>
Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com>.
At a high level, sounds reasonable.
________________________________
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Phones not in all cases, but it seems, some operators or especially Private Mobile Networks inside companies use it to remotely manage devices.
Does that sound OK?
Werner
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
ok, so this is used by phones on the telecom networks...??? If they require any amount of pattern based recognition (the more the better), then yes, this would be a great fit :]
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:15 PM
>Subject: Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
>
>
>
>Reza,
>
>Beside the PDF I mentioned by the most significant profider of a DM server
>implementation (all others seem to be mostly experimental, even at Eclipse)
>please find this page in the Eclipse M2M IWG:
>http://m2m.eclipse.org/protocols.html#oma-dm
>
>Hope that helps, otherwise I may ask some IWG Members to provide further
>information, especially IBM and Sierra seem quite convinced, there are M2M
>Use Cases for it.
>
>The recognition and inventory of devices is an area where I would see
>synergies. While I don't think Oracle Java Embedded SDK used OMA-DM, it had
>a slightly similar purpose for WURFL until 3.0 or 3.1 of its SDK.
>
>They then dropped it also for the reasons we all know, but at least where
>web-apps or a central "repository" of devices are involved, it looks like
>using a device description repository like what we plan here could benefit
>a lot.
>
>HTH,
>Wernrer
>
>On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> To help me better understand, can you give me a real world example this?
>> M2M, OMA-DM?
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>> To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: reza.naghibi@yahoo.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:55 PM
>> Subject: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Let me ask this in a separate thread once more. Do any of you see value in
>> supporting M2M related solutions like OMA-DM?
>>
>> Especially things like the "Device Inventory", see
>>
>> http://download.forge.objectweb.org/sync4j/funambol_dm_server_developer_guide.pdf
>> but most of the concepts, just take "J2EE" are hopelessly old and outdated
>> today. Of course, some approaches like Spring while still used a lot may
>> also be adjusted towards Java EE 6/7, CDI, especially given Apache projects
>> like DeltaSpike for Java EE we could use at least where Java is applied on
>> the server side.
>>
>> WDYT?
>> Werner
>>
Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Phones not in all cases, but it seems, some operators or especially Private
Mobile Networks inside companies use it to remotely manage devices.
Does that sound OK?
Werner
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ok, so this is used by phones on the telecom networks...??? If they
> require any amount of pattern based recognition (the more the better), then
> yes, this would be a great fit :]
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
>
>
> Reza,
>
> Beside the PDF I mentioned by the most significant profider of a DM server
> implementation (all others seem to be mostly experimental, even at Eclipse)
> please find this page in the Eclipse M2M IWG:
> http://m2m.eclipse.org/protocols.html#oma-dm
>
> Hope that helps, otherwise I may ask some IWG Members to provide further
> information, especially IBM and Sierra seem quite convinced, there are M2M
> Use Cases for it.
>
> The recognition and inventory of devices is an area where I would see
> synergies. While I don't think Oracle Java Embedded SDK used OMA-DM, it had
> a slightly similar purpose for WURFL until 3.0 or 3.1 of its SDK.
>
> They then dropped it also for the reasons we all know, but at least where
> web-apps or a central "repository" of devices are involved, it looks like
> using a device description repository like what we plan here could benefit
> a lot.
>
> HTH,
> Wernrer
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > To help me better understand, can you give me a real world example this?
> > M2M, OMA-DM?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Cc: reza.naghibi@yahoo.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:55 PM
> > Subject: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Let me ask this in a separate thread once more. Do any of you see value
> in
> > supporting M2M related solutions like OMA-DM?
> >
> > Especially things like the "Device Inventory", see
> >
> >
> http://download.forge.objectweb.org/sync4j/funambol_dm_server_developer_guide.pdf
> > but most of the concepts, just take "J2EE" are hopelessly old and
> outdated
> > today. Of course, some approaches like Spring while still used a lot may
> > also be adjusted towards Java EE 6/7, CDI, especially given Apache
> projects
> > like DeltaSpike for Java EE we could use at least where Java is applied
> on
> > the server side.
> >
> > WDYT?
> > Werner
> >
>
Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com>.
ok, so this is used by phones on the telecom networks...??? If they require any amount of pattern based recognition (the more the better), then yes, this would be a great fit :]
________________________________
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Reza,
Beside the PDF I mentioned by the most significant profider of a DM server
implementation (all others seem to be mostly experimental, even at Eclipse)
please find this page in the Eclipse M2M IWG:
http://m2m.eclipse.org/protocols.html#oma-dm
Hope that helps, otherwise I may ask some IWG Members to provide further
information, especially IBM and Sierra seem quite convinced, there are M2M
Use Cases for it.
The recognition and inventory of devices is an area where I would see
synergies. While I don't think Oracle Java Embedded SDK used OMA-DM, it had
a slightly similar purpose for WURFL until 3.0 or 3.1 of its SDK.
They then dropped it also for the reasons we all know, but at least where
web-apps or a central "repository" of devices are involved, it looks like
using a device description repository like what we plan here could benefit
a lot.
HTH,
Wernrer
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To help me better understand, can you give me a real world example this?
> M2M, OMA-DM?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: reza.naghibi@yahoo.com
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:55 PM
> Subject: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Let me ask this in a separate thread once more. Do any of you see value in
> supporting M2M related solutions like OMA-DM?
>
> Especially things like the "Device Inventory", see
>
> http://download.forge.objectweb.org/sync4j/funambol_dm_server_developer_guide.pdf
> but most of the concepts, just take "J2EE" are hopelessly old and outdated
> today. Of course, some approaches like Spring while still used a lot may
> also be adjusted towards Java EE 6/7, CDI, especially given Apache projects
> like DeltaSpike for Java EE we could use at least where Java is applied on
> the server side.
>
> WDYT?
> Werner
>
Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Reza,
Beside the PDF I mentioned by the most significant profider of a DM server
implementation (all others seem to be mostly experimental, even at Eclipse)
please find this page in the Eclipse M2M IWG:
http://m2m.eclipse.org/protocols.html#oma-dm
Hope that helps, otherwise I may ask some IWG Members to provide further
information, especially IBM and Sierra seem quite convinced, there are M2M
Use Cases for it.
The recognition and inventory of devices is an area where I would see
synergies. While I don't think Oracle Java Embedded SDK used OMA-DM, it had
a slightly similar purpose for WURFL until 3.0 or 3.1 of its SDK.
They then dropped it also for the reasons we all know, but at least where
web-apps or a central "repository" of devices are involved, it looks like
using a device description repository like what we plan here could benefit
a lot.
HTH,
Wernrer
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To help me better understand, can you give me a real world example this?
> M2M, OMA-DM?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: reza.naghibi@yahoo.com
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:55 PM
> Subject: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Let me ask this in a separate thread once more. Do any of you see value in
> supporting M2M related solutions like OMA-DM?
>
> Especially things like the "Device Inventory", see
>
> http://download.forge.objectweb.org/sync4j/funambol_dm_server_developer_guide.pdf
> but most of the concepts, just take "J2EE" are hopelessly old and outdated
> today. Of course, some approaches like Spring while still used a lot may
> also be adjusted towards Java EE 6/7, CDI, especially given Apache projects
> like DeltaSpike for Java EE we could use at least where Java is applied on
> the server side.
>
> WDYT?
> Werner
>
Re: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com>.
To help me better understand, can you give me a real world example this? M2M, OMA-DM?
________________________________
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc: reza.naghibi@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: Possible suppoort of OMA-DM Server by Apache DeviceMap?
Hi,
Let me ask this in a separate thread once more. Do any of you see value in
supporting M2M related solutions like OMA-DM?
Especially things like the "Device Inventory", see
http://download.forge.objectweb.org/sync4j/funambol_dm_server_developer_guide.pdf
but most of the concepts, just take "J2EE" are hopelessly old and outdated
today. Of course, some approaches like Spring while still used a lot may
also be adjusted towards Java EE 6/7, CDI, especially given Apache projects
like DeltaSpike for Java EE we could use at least where Java is applied on
the server side.
WDYT?
Werner