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Posted to dev@community.apache.org by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com> on 2016/06/06 00:00:21 UTC
Code of Conduct - Over Responding
Hi,
I really like the code of conduct, but I think it would be good to include
something about sending too many emails. Sometimes you get people who
dominate a thread, responding to almost everyone and they drain the energy
of others to take part.
My suggestion is to add a sentence to the "Be concise" section, perhaps
something like the following:
"Try not to dominate a thread, you don't have to respond to everyone. Pause
between sending emails to give others an opportunity to contribute to the
debate."
WDYT?
Niall
Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding
Posted by Joseph Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Lgtm!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 8, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/06/2016 05:21 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the
>> >> thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and
>> >> enforceable. I don't think this is either.
>> >>
>> >> What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't something we can
>> >> enforce with policy.
>> >>
>> >
>> > The Code of Conduct is mostly not "measurable and enforceable" and just
>> > contains good advice - of the seven sections the only we can enforce is the
>> > "Be careful in the words that we choose" section. I dont have a problem
>> > with that because I see it as a tool to encourage people, rather than just
>> > something to be enforced.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I suppose you're right.
>>
>> Perhaps such an injunction could indeed be added to that section. Do you
>> have a recommended patch?
>
> I came up with adding the following in the "Be concise" section (attached as a patch):
>
> "Try not to dominate a thread, you don't have to respond to everyone. Pause between sending emails to give others an opportunity to contribute to the debate."
>
> Niall
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>
Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 06/06/2016 05:21 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the
> >> thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and
> >> enforceable. I don't think this is either.
> >>
> >> What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't something we
> can
> >> enforce with policy.
> >>
> >
> > The Code of Conduct is mostly not "measurable and enforceable" and just
> > contains good advice - of the seven sections the only we can enforce is
> the
> > "Be careful in the words that we choose" section. I dont have a problem
> > with that because I see it as a tool to encourage people, rather than
> just
> > something to be enforced.
>
>
>
> Yes, I suppose you're right.
>
> Perhaps such an injunction could indeed be added to that section. Do you
> have a recommended patch?
>
I came up with adding the following in the "Be concise" section (attached
as a patch):
"Try not to dominate a thread, you don't have to respond to everyone. Pause
between sending emails to give others an opportunity to contribute to the
debate."
Niall
>
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>
>
Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 06/06/2016 05:21 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>> The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the
>> thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and
>> enforceable. I don't think this is either.
>>
>> What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't something we can
>> enforce with policy.
>>
>
> The Code of Conduct is mostly not "measurable and enforceable" and just
> contains good advice - of the seven sections the only we can enforce is the
> "Be careful in the words that we choose" section. I dont have a problem
> with that because I see it as a tool to encourage people, rather than just
> something to be enforced.
Yes, I suppose you're right.
Perhaps such an injunction could indeed be added to that section. Do you
have a recommended patch?
--
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the
> thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and
> enforceable. I don't think this is either.
>
> What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't something we can
> enforce with policy.
>
The Code of Conduct is mostly not "measurable and enforceable" and just
contains good advice - of the seven sections the only we can enforce is the
"Be careful in the words that we choose" section. I dont have a problem
with that because I see it as a tool to encourage people, rather than just
something to be enforced.
Niall
> On Jun 5, 2016 8:00 PM, "Niall Pemberton" <ni...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I really like the code of conduct, but I think it would be good to
> include
> > something about sending too many emails. Sometimes you get people who
> > dominate a thread, responding to almost everyone and they drain the
> energy
> > of others to take part.
> >
> > My suggestion is to add a sentence to the "Be concise" section, perhaps
> > something like the following:
> >
> > "Try not to dominate a thread, you don't have to respond to everyone.
> Pause
> > between sending emails to give others an opportunity to contribute to the
> > debate."
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Niall
> >
>
Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 06/06/2016 01:16, Rich Bowen wrote:
> The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the
> thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and
> enforceable. I don't think this is either.
>
> What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't something we can
> enforce with policy.
While the CoC might not be the best place for this good advice, there
are other places where it might work better:
http://community.apache.org/contributors/etiquette
http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips
Mark
> On Jun 5, 2016 8:00 PM, "Niall Pemberton" <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I really like the code of conduct, but I think it would be good to include
>> something about sending too many emails. Sometimes you get people who
>> dominate a thread, responding to almost everyone and they drain the energy
>> of others to take part.
>>
>> My suggestion is to add a sentence to the "Be concise" section, perhaps
>> something like the following:
>>
>> "Try not to dominate a thread, you don't have to respond to everyone. Pause
>> between sending emails to give others an opportunity to contribute to the
>> debate."
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Niall
>>
>
RE: Code of Conduct - Over Responding
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
+1
This is not really a CoC issue, more of a best practice one.
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: Rich Bowen<ma...@rcbowen.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:17 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org<ma...@community.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding
The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the
thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and
enforceable. I don't think this is either.
What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't something we can
enforce with policy.
On Jun 5, 2016 8:00 PM, "Niall Pemberton" <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I really like the code of conduct, but I think it would be good to include
> something about sending too many emails. Sometimes you get people who
> dominate a thread, responding to almost everyone and they drain the energy
> of others to take part.
>
> My suggestion is to add a sentence to the "Be concise" section, perhaps
> something like the following:
>
> "Try not to dominate a thread, you don't have to respond to everyone. Pause
> between sending emails to give others an opportunity to contribute to the
> debate."
>
> WDYT?
>
> Niall
>
Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the
thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and
enforceable. I don't think this is either.
What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't something we can
enforce with policy.
On Jun 5, 2016 8:00 PM, "Niall Pemberton" <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I really like the code of conduct, but I think it would be good to include
> something about sending too many emails. Sometimes you get people who
> dominate a thread, responding to almost everyone and they drain the energy
> of others to take part.
>
> My suggestion is to add a sentence to the "Be concise" section, perhaps
> something like the following:
>
> "Try not to dominate a thread, you don't have to respond to everyone. Pause
> between sending emails to give others an opportunity to contribute to the
> debate."
>
> WDYT?
>
> Niall
>