open source on mobile [WAS: Re: Apache open office on Anroid

[Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>]

Hm. I think the issue below is serious. And one we can address. But do others think that way or believe otherwise?

louis
> On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:25, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:06, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Or have you not noticed that there are
>>> precious few native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source productivity
>>> tools to be found ready for the enterprise?
> 
> to rephrase: productivity software, especially for enterprise, is overwhelmingly dominated by proprietary apps sold by very large multinational corporations. The apps available are often "free," as in beer but not free as in speech. They are not open source. It does not matter if the operating system is Android or iOS or whatever, though there are some differences, at least in the marginal OSs, which represent a minute fraction of the total used.
> 
> What this means is that as tablets (however imagined) are brought into the enterprise (public or private sector), open source is almost entirely absent. Yes, many apps use open source languages but so what? The UX model promoted by the smart, mobile device shuts out user intervention, with some exception, and there seems to be nothing organised that I can see that’s trying to change this arrangement and make it easier to create, distribute and even promote open source productivity apps on mobile devices.
> 
> Yes, I am aware that tablets are falling out of popularity, but I also am aware that the tablet as imagined by Apple and incarnated in the iPad, was designed and is still envisioned as a consumer entertainment device, not as a work device (though that is changing) and that efforts to insinuate the tablet form factor into enterprise, as Microsoft has tried, have not succeeded. However, the mobile device is succeeding in areas where investment capital is less visible and it is likely to be the preferred mode for the billions that will be coming fresh to school, work, and other areas where computing devices are de rigeur (now or soon). And these users, in Africa, Latin America, and  the rest of the world, rich or poor, will be using… proprietary software.
> 
> So, although the situation on the desktop (and by this one means also the laptop, of course; one refers here to the UX not hardware) is generally not bad for open source, that’s not so for the mobile UX. I doubt very much that Ubuntu or Moz. will put a dent into hard proprietary wave. What would, however, would be mobile apps that can work smoothly with existing desktop productivity software installations. Like Corinthia.
> 
> best
> louis

Re: open source on mobile [WAS: Re: Apache open office on Anroid

[jonathon <to...@gmail.com>]

On 04/21/2015 09:40 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:

>We’ve done this unofficially; but why not have a page that identifies
not just derivatives

As best as I can determine, only one program on Android claims to be
derived from the AOO code base, and nothing on iOS claims to be so derived.

>with the point of identity being ODF support (and license).

I quit trying to track iOS and Android apps that had ODF support, when I
realized that for every app that did so, there were around 50 that made
that claim, but could neither open, nor write ODF documents.

jonathon




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Re: open source on mobile [WAS: Re: Apache open office on Anroid

[Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>]

> On 21 Apr 2015, at 17:37, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hm. I think the issue below is serious. And one we can address. But do
>> others think that way or believe otherwise?
> 
> 
> Not sure how we can really address this, considering our challenges making
> a new desktop release.
> 

Thanks, Jan. Well, just by stating what you said is a start. Stating that we have limits here, in AOO, and that to pursue other ways of cracking this problem is okay and ought to be endorsed is a good next step. We’ve done this unofficially; but why not have a page that identifies not just derivatives but avenues of exploration and discovery, with the point of identity being ODF support (and license).


> Rgds
> jan i
> 
>> 
>> louis
>>> On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:25, Louis Suárez-Potts <luispo@gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:06, Guy Waterval <waterval.guy@gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Or have you not noticed that there are
>>>>> precious few native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source
>> productivity
>>>>> tools to be found ready for the enterprise?
>>> 
>>> to rephrase: productivity software, especially for enterprise, is
>> overwhelmingly dominated by proprietary apps sold by very large
>> multinational corporations. The apps available are often "free," as in beer
>> but not free as in speech. They are not open source. It does not matter if
>> the operating system is Android or iOS or whatever, though there are some
>> differences, at least in the marginal OSs, which represent a minute
>> fraction of the total used.
>>> 
>>> What this means is that as tablets (however imagined) are brought into
>> the enterprise (public or private sector), open source is almost entirely
>> absent. Yes, many apps use open source languages but so what? The UX model
>> promoted by the smart, mobile device shuts out user intervention, with some
>> exception, and there seems to be nothing organised that I can see that’s
>> trying to change this arrangement and make it easier to create, distribute
>> and even promote open source productivity apps on mobile devices.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I am aware that tablets are falling out of popularity, but I also
>> am aware that the tablet as imagined by Apple and incarnated in the iPad,
>> was designed and is still envisioned as a consumer entertainment device,
>> not as a work device (though that is changing) and that efforts to
>> insinuate the tablet form factor into enterprise, as Microsoft has tried,
>> have not succeeded. However, the mobile device is succeeding in areas where
>> investment capital is less visible and it is likely to be the preferred
>> mode for the billions that will be coming fresh to school, work, and other
>> areas where computing devices are de rigeur (now or soon). And these users,
>> in Africa, Latin America, and  the rest of the world, rich or poor, will be
>> using… proprietary software.
>>> 
>>> So, although the situation on the desktop (and by this one means also
>> the laptop, of course; one refers here to the UX not hardware) is generally
>> not bad for open source, that’s not so for the mobile UX. I doubt very much
>> that Ubuntu or Moz. will put a dent into hard proprietary wave. What would,
>> however, would be mobile apps that can work smoothly with existing desktop
>> productivity software installations. Like Corinthia.
>>> 
>>> best
>>> louis
>> 
>> 
> 
> --
> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.

Re: open source on mobile [WAS: Re: Apache open office on Anroid

[jan i <ja...@apache.org>]

On Tuesday, April 21, 2015, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hm. I think the issue below is serious. And one we can address. But do
> others think that way or believe otherwise?


Not sure how we can really address this, considering our challenges making
a new desktop release.

Rgds
jan i

>
> louis
> > On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:25, Louis Suárez-Potts <luispo@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:06, Guy Waterval <waterval.guy@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Or have you not noticed that there are
> >>> precious few native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source
> productivity
> >>> tools to be found ready for the enterprise?
> >
> > to rephrase: productivity software, especially for enterprise, is
> overwhelmingly dominated by proprietary apps sold by very large
> multinational corporations. The apps available are often "free," as in beer
> but not free as in speech. They are not open source. It does not matter if
> the operating system is Android or iOS or whatever, though there are some
> differences, at least in the marginal OSs, which represent a minute
> fraction of the total used.
> >
> > What this means is that as tablets (however imagined) are brought into
> the enterprise (public or private sector), open source is almost entirely
> absent. Yes, many apps use open source languages but so what? The UX model
> promoted by the smart, mobile device shuts out user intervention, with some
> exception, and there seems to be nothing organised that I can see that’s
> trying to change this arrangement and make it easier to create, distribute
> and even promote open source productivity apps on mobile devices.
> >
> > Yes, I am aware that tablets are falling out of popularity, but I also
> am aware that the tablet as imagined by Apple and incarnated in the iPad,
> was designed and is still envisioned as a consumer entertainment device,
> not as a work device (though that is changing) and that efforts to
> insinuate the tablet form factor into enterprise, as Microsoft has tried,
> have not succeeded. However, the mobile device is succeeding in areas where
> investment capital is less visible and it is likely to be the preferred
> mode for the billions that will be coming fresh to school, work, and other
> areas where computing devices are de rigeur (now or soon). And these users,
> in Africa, Latin America, and  the rest of the world, rich or poor, will be
> using… proprietary software.
> >
> > So, although the situation on the desktop (and by this one means also
> the laptop, of course; one refers here to the UX not hardware) is generally
> not bad for open source, that’s not so for the mobile UX. I doubt very much
> that Ubuntu or Moz. will put a dent into hard proprietary wave. What would,
> however, would be mobile apps that can work smoothly with existing desktop
> productivity software installations. Like Corinthia.
> >
> > best
> > louis
>
>

-- 
Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.