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Posted to dev@maven.apache.org by Brett Porter <bp...@f2network.com.au> on 2003/09/11 01:27:31 UTC
release beta-11?
I'm wondering whether we should release a final beta from what is in CVS
now.
Reasoning:
- has plugin dependencies & downloading
- has some reasonably frequently asked Q's already fixed (like multiproject
bugs)
- RC1 seems a little while off still, and the last big change has a large
risk of introducing more bugs.
- beta-11 should be the last release with monolithic plugin releases. RC1
should come with just the core ones and an easy download mechanism
Thoughts on plugin releases:
- with b11 out and plugin dependencies working (as well as traditional
download and install), all -SNAPSHOT plugins should be pushed towards a
release sooner rather than later.
- non-core plugins should be moved to a maven-plugins repository as
previously existed alongside maven-new
- some things maven uses (like the PMD report) may not be core plugins - it
may well have dependencies on them.
Thoughts? Are the plugin goals to ambituous for an RC1 timeframe?
Cheers,
Brett
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Brett Porter
Team Leader, Core Systems
f2 network ~ everything essential
Re: release beta-11?
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Martin Skopp <sk...@riege.de> wrote on 11/09/2003 08:25:30 PM:
> To be honest, I don't really care how the next release is named, as soon
> as it comes in a few weeks ;-)
I hear ya.
> IMHO the essential questions are:
>
> 1) which will be the first rel with the memory leak be fixed ?
There's more than one memory leak :-)
> 2) which will be the first rel with all plugins decoupled ?
I don't even think this is on a roadmap.
> If the answer is "1.0 (final)" for both questions then IMHO a 1.0-RC1
> needs to have these features.
Bah,
a fixed memory leak isn't a feature. an RC could have the leak and the 1.0
fix it, it's just a bug.
> On the other hand, when will 1+2 be available?
When someone gets the time and energy to finish them.
AFAIK, 2) can be achieved today. I'd prefer NOT to decouple *all* the
plugins. Seems like a damn silly idea.
> Probably users will be happy with a in-between-beta11 release which does
> not have 1) and 2).
>
> release early, release often :-)
The only core change I can think of that warrants a new beta is that there
were classes moved from beta10 to now which means rc1 plugins don't work
in b10.
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Re: release beta-11?
Posted by Martin Skopp <sk...@riege.de>.
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 01:27, Brett Porter wrote:
> I'm wondering whether we should release a final beta from what is in CVS
> now.
To be honest, I don't really care how the next release is named, as soon
as it comes in a few weeks ;-)
IMHO the essential questions are:
1) which will be the first rel with the memory leak be fixed ?
2) which will be the first rel with all plugins decoupled ?
If the answer is "1.0 (final)" for both questions then IMHO a 1.0-RC1
needs to have these features.
On the other hand, when will 1+2 be available?
Probably users will be happy with a in-between-beta11 release which does
not have 1) and 2).
release early, release often :-)
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Re: release beta-11?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <jv...@maven.org>.
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 20:33, dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> I'd rather stick with the roadmap we have. If the memory leak is taking
> too long, lets move it to 1.0-final.
I think what is most important is a release that allows the decoupling
of the plugins.
There are also a lot of fixes that could probably go out too. Even with
the current memory leak I think an RC1 could go out. As mentioned I
think we have a lot of bugs to fix but I think any features people want
can wait until 1.1 or later. A lot of the issues against 1.0-final are
also plugin specific and many of those could be shunted off against
plugins.
I'm for an RC1 soon even with the leak. I don't think we're planning on
adding anything anyway until 1.0 is out.
> --
> dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
>
>
> Brett Porter <bp...@f2network.com.au> wrote on 11/09/2003 09:27:31 AM:
>
> > I'm wondering whether we should release a final beta from what is in CVS
> > now.
> > Reasoning:
> > - has plugin dependencies & downloading
> > - has some reasonably frequently asked Q's already fixed (like
> multiproject
> > bugs)
> > - RC1 seems a little while off still, and the last big change has a
> large
> > risk of introducing more bugs.
> > - beta-11 should be the last release with monolithic plugin releases.
> RC1
> > should come with just the core ones and an easy download mechanism
> >
> > Thoughts on plugin releases:
> > - with b11 out and plugin dependencies working (as well as traditional
> > download and install), all -SNAPSHOT plugins should be pushed towards a
> > release sooner rather than later.
> > - non-core plugins should be moved to a maven-plugins repository as
> > previously existed alongside maven-new
> > - some things maven uses (like the PMD report) may not be core plugins -
> it
> > may well have dependencies on them.
> >
> > Thoughts? Are the plugin goals to ambituous for an RC1 timeframe?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Brett
> >
> > --
> > Brett Porter
> > Team Leader, Core Systems
> > f2 network ~ everything essential
> >
>
>
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Re: release beta-11?
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
I'd rather stick with the roadmap we have. If the memory leak is taking
too long, lets move it to 1.0-final.
--
dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
Brett Porter <bp...@f2network.com.au> wrote on 11/09/2003 09:27:31 AM:
> I'm wondering whether we should release a final beta from what is in CVS
> now.
> Reasoning:
> - has plugin dependencies & downloading
> - has some reasonably frequently asked Q's already fixed (like
multiproject
> bugs)
> - RC1 seems a little while off still, and the last big change has a
large
> risk of introducing more bugs.
> - beta-11 should be the last release with monolithic plugin releases.
RC1
> should come with just the core ones and an easy download mechanism
>
> Thoughts on plugin releases:
> - with b11 out and plugin dependencies working (as well as traditional
> download and install), all -SNAPSHOT plugins should be pushed towards a
> release sooner rather than later.
> - non-core plugins should be moved to a maven-plugins repository as
> previously existed alongside maven-new
> - some things maven uses (like the PMD report) may not be core plugins -
it
> may well have dependencies on them.
>
> Thoughts? Are the plugin goals to ambituous for an RC1 timeframe?
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
> --
> Brett Porter
> Team Leader, Core Systems
> f2 network ~ everything essential
>
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