Re: MyFaces

[Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>]

Hi!
> You might remember when Shale was under the "Struts" umbrella, and
> then migrated to be on its own.
>   
Yes, but due to the focus change to JSF it simply didn't fit in Struts
anymore, no?

> I think that Shale should remain on its own, also because it contains
> products that don't need JSF at all (I am thinking of shale-test).
>   
I don't know shale-test, but isn't it to provide mock object for the JSF
api? If it is more, maybe it fits into Commons land?

In MyFaces land the need for a commons project rises up every now and
then - instead, it might be easier to contribute to a MyFaces Shale
subproject.
Also the ML of Shale has become quite quiet, wouldn't it be better to
concentrate the spare time of JSF developers@apache into one TLP?


But well, just thoughts .....
(Pinged the MyFaces Developer List too, please reply to the shale dev ML
anyway)

Ciao,
Mario

Re: MyFaces

[Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>]

2007/10/18, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>:
> Hi!
> > You might remember when Shale was under the "Struts" umbrella, and
> > then migrated to be on its own.
> >
> Yes, but due to the focus change to JSF it simply didn't fit in Struts
> anymore, no?

Right, but Shale parted from Struts because it was a completely new
project, not because of its focus.

> > I think that Shale should remain on its own, also because it contains
> > products that don't need JSF at all (I am thinking of shale-test).
> >
> I don't know shale-test, but isn't it to provide mock object for the JSF
> api? If it is more, maybe it fits into Commons land?

In fact, part of the shale-test seems like "Cactus" (it contains mock
objects also for portlets and servlets). Moving to Commons (or
Jakarta?) could be a good option.

> In MyFaces land the need for a commons project rises up every now and
> then - instead, it might be easier to contribute to a MyFaces Shale
> subproject.

And probably it reduces replication: for example, it seems that Shale
provides a buggy Tiles 2 support, while the MyFaces one at least works
:-)
In this case there is a need for reorganization:
- move shale-test to Commons;
- choose which Shale pieces will remain under Shale subproject, and
which ones will become submodules of MyFaces itself (I am thinking of
Clay).

> Also the ML of Shale has become quite quiet, wouldn't it be better to
> concentrate the spare time of JSF developers@apache into one TLP?

You convinced me! :-) But I am not a Shale developer, so I cannot do much.

Antonio