Tapestry Mailing List vs Forum

["Newham, Cameron" <ca...@bl.uk>]

An interesting discussion.

However, while I do see that a forum would, perhaps, be initially more user friendly for new people to join, in the end the creation of such a thing would either divide the community into those on the ML and those on the forum, or at worst the forum would end up with new users joining and no answers because all of the old hands are on this ML. It wouldn't look good either way.

Personally I prefer the ML for Tapestry - mainly because the signal to noise ratio is high, there aren't huge numbers of posts, and the things drop into my mailbox where I can easily see them. People on here are (for the most part) friendly and very helpful. I'd rather that wasn't damaged by changing things just for the sake of change.

I'd rather that the effort going into this discussion was instead directed to providing better documentation. It's one thing I find most frustrating in the computer industry. I'm afraid I'm not as geeky as some who reside on here and elsewhere; I like instructions to have all the parts filled in, rather than instructions where large parts are missing and only the "juicy details" given because the author assumes you understand and can fill in background yourself. Some of the HOW-TOs are unfortunately like that. I have a job to do and I don't spend my weekends building my own server or bed time reading of IPv6 (anything but computers! You know what I mean) so better documentation (along the lines of the new Tutorial and docs) is better for me, better for my employer, and better for those coming to Tapestry for the first time.

Paul, if the user base increased to such an extent that there were scores of emails per day then I think we should look again at a forum. Until then I think it's not worth exploring.

c.


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Stanton [mailto:paul@mapshed.com.au] 
Sent: 25 November 2010 09:20
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Tapestry Web Site Updated

"I don't see why those questions can't be asked and answered on the 
mailing lists. "

you are missing the point. they probably haven't been asked on the ml 
because the user doesn't want to register/subscribe/manage the ml. some 
people have a general aversion to ml's.

p.

On 25/11/2010 7:07 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote:
> I don't see why those questions can't be asked and answered on the 
> mailing lists.
>
> If you want to ask or answer questions on stackoverflow, do it. If you 
> want to create a forum that's fine too. But the only *official* help 
> source will be the mailing lists. Everything else will just partition 
> the community.
>
> Uli
>
> On 25.11.2010 02:12, Paul Stanton wrote:
>> Andreas,
>>
>> Agreed 100%.
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/tapestry
>> or as a feed:
>> http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag/tapestry
>>
>> Maybe the tapestry site can leverage stackoverflow as it's 
>> recommended question/answer forum?
>>
>> To work however, this would require some of the people here to take 
>> interest.....
>>
>> p.
>>
>> On 25/11/2010 11:41 AM, Andreas Andreou wrote:
>>> You're probably right on the reasons, but the thing is that it's a 
>>> pain having
>>> to monitor multiple sources of user feedback - there's just never 
>>> enought free
>>> time to do so.
>>>
>>> And there's also a few big risks:
>>> 1) Making the community appear to be unresponsive
>>> 2) Frustrating users who never get their questions answered
>>> 3) Spreading the info to multiple places is hard to update
>>> and easy to get obsolete
>>>
>>> So, anyway, Tapestry has the mailing list, its website/documentation 
>>> and there's
>>> always StackOverflow. Perhaps it makes sense to define a strategy on 
>>> how to take
>>> advantage of that last one though
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:36, Paul Stanton<pa...@mapshed.com.au> wrote:
>>>> it did. it's still there but doesn't have the community.
>>>>
>>>> the reason it dies was twofold:
>>>>
>>>> 1. it was very spam prone: the way it was set up did not do enough to
>>>> limit/kill spammers
>>>> 2. it did not get the tapestry community support - it was not even
>>>> acknowledged by the tapestry site
>>>>
>>>> that's not to say a forum wouldn't work if setup and supported by 
>>>> the core
>>>> tapestry community.
>>>>
>>>> p.
>>>>
>>>> On 25/11/2010 8:18 AM, Robert Zeigler wrote:
>>>>> Tapestry had a forum for awhile. I think it died.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2010, at 11/244:46 AM , Paul Stanton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i know most of you guys, who have been using ml for so long probably
>>>>>> prefer ml, that's not the point!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i guarantee there's a number of users who don't want to configure 
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> inbox for ml and give up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just a thought, if no one can see the benefit i guess it isn't 
>>>>>> going to
>>>>>> happen!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i use stackoverflow a lot and attempt to answer or contribute to 
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> tapestry questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/11/2010 8:35 PM, Ivano Luberti wrote:
>>>>>>> I prefer ml to forums and in nay case ML web archives allow to 
>>>>>>> search
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>> I cannot see any other advantage of a forum over a ml.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Il 24/11/2010 4.56, Paul Stanton ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> how about adding a forum?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> personally i prefer forums to mailing lists, and i believe a 
>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>> people don't participate in this 'user-group' community and 
>>>>>>>> therefore
>>>>>>>> don't get help and therefore don't like tapestry...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if you want to attract more users i recommend this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> p.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20/11/2010 8:15 AM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>>>>>>>> We're still working out the kinks ... and I've been working 
>>>>>>>>> hard on
>>>>>>>>> revising
>>>>>>>>> the tutorial ... but at long last, we're debuting the new 
>>>>>>>>> Tapestry
>>>>>>>>> Web Site:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://tapestry.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Feedback is encouraged; just post to users@tapestry.apache.org 
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> [SITE]
>>>>>>>>> in the subject.
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