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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Charles Monteiro <ch...@nycsmalltalk.org> on 2012/03/31 19:09:26 UTC
the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
hi, I just made a decision NOT to purchase the Flash Builder IDE, for one
their license is tied to the computer and not to the user and I need to be
able to both work on Flex on my Win notebook and Mac Mini. Anyhow, in
giving up Flash Builder I have given up on the following elements that are
crucial for my workflow:
1. GUI Designer (important)
2. FlexUnit testing framework (sort of important I"m checking FlexMonkey
but I would like unit testing for AS3)
3. HttpMonitor
#1
after much research and stress I think I have found something that gets me
pretty far on the GUI design front and that's the combo of using the
Balsamiq Mockup product and Napkee , something which integrates with
Balsamiq to generate Flex 3 MXML. Flex 4 MXML output will be I'm told by
the company available this summer. That along with the fact that JetBrains
has a "visual editor" for MXML I think will cover me pretty well.
Just wondered what you all that have been around in the Flex universe think
about said approach. Is this approach helpful to others ? Or who has been
down that path who can shed light on the approach ?
#2
I have not found a testing framework for AS3 that has a visual test runner
available i.e. like what's there in Flash Builder but maybe I have just
missed it ?
#3
I"m basically using Flex as my front end to both Ruby / Python JSON based
http services . Its a very nice to have something that allows me to quickly
visualize response/ request and formatted data payloads. Flash Builder did
a good job. I found a couple alternatives , notably Charles Http debugger
proxy. My only problem here is that again I want to use a cross platform
tool that has a license tied to the individual and not to the computer i.e.
save me the extra 50 bucks of paying for another license so that I can run
on my Mac Mini.
Any suggestions here ?
thanks al, hope its an appropriate enough question for this list.
--
Charles
Re: the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
Posted by Charles Monteiro <ch...@monteirosfusion.com>.
thanks, I guess when I did not see how a file template for a Flex unit test
I assumed lack of support. Anyhow, I am now getting off subject ,
unfortunately nobody has commented on their thoughts as a substitute for
the UI designer.
for those interested i.e. here's a link to a blog showng FlexUnit support
in IntelliJ:
http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/tag/flexunit/
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Michael A. Labriola <
labriola@digitalprimates.net> wrote:
> >#2
> >I have not found a testing framework for AS3 that has a visual test
> runner available i.e. like what's there in Flash Builder but maybe I have
> just missed it ?
>
> FlexUnit integrates with FlashBuilder, FDT and IntelliJ to provide a
> visual test run and has 2 or 3 browser based visual test runners should you
> choose to go that route as well
>
> Mike
>
>
--
Charles A. Monteiro
www.monteirosfusion.com
sent from the road
RE: the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
Posted by "Michael A. Labriola" <la...@digitalprimates.net>.
>#2
>I have not found a testing framework for AS3 that has a visual test runner available i.e. like what's there in Flash Builder but maybe I have just missed it ?
FlexUnit integrates with FlashBuilder, FDT and IntelliJ to provide a visual test run and has 2 or 3 browser based visual test runners should you choose to go that route as well
Mike
Re: the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
Posted by Charles Monteiro <ch...@monteirosfusion.com>.
really ? ok, I don't see FlexUnit as a framework available to the project.
I'll inquire in the IDEA forums , thanks.
I sent an email to Charles about that , the language on his site seems to
state the opposite. Hopefully, it looks like a well thought out tool.
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>wrote:
> You should be able to run Charles on both your computers. As far as a
> visual test runner you can use FlexUnit with IntelliJ's test runner.
>
> -omar
>
--
Charles A. Monteiro
www.monteirosfusion.com
sent from the road
Re: the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
Posted by Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>.
You should be able to run Charles on both your computers. As far as a
visual test runner you can use FlexUnit with IntelliJ's test runner.
-omar
Re: the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
Posted by Charles Monteiro <ch...@monteirosfusion.com>.
I spoke at length to Adobe sales and they were very clear that I could not
with one license of at least Flash Builder 4.6 standard (approx $250.00 )
be able to effectively install and run them both on my Win 7 tablet and on
my Mac Mini and of course I don't mean simultaneous use.
That was the reason I did not go ahead with the purchase.
-Charles
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as>wrote:
> Just for the record -- Flash Builder Licenses are not tied to a particular
> platform like the creative suites. The 1+1 license can be split between
> two different OSs (this is how I have mine setup -- Win for Desktop, Mac
> for Laptop).
>
> -Nick
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jeffry Houser <jeffry@dot-com-it.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On 3/31/2012 1:09 PM, Charles Monteiro wrote:
> >
> >> hi, I just made a decision NOT to purchase the Flash Builder IDE, for
> one
> >> their license is tied to the computer and not to the user and I need to
> be
> >> able to both work on Flex on my Win notebook and Mac Mini.
> >>
> > The Adobe licenses allow you to install it on two computers; although
> I'm
> > not sure if they allow it to be cross-OS
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks al, hope its an appropriate enough question for this list.
> >>
> >
> > I don't think it is; as I don't feel this question was related to
> > continued development of Flex.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeffry Houser
> > Technical Entrepreneur
> > 203-379-0773
> > --
> > http://www.flextras.com?c=104
> > UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
> > --
> > http://www.theflexshow.com
> > http://www.jeffryhouser.com
> > http://www.asktheflexpert.com
> > --
> > Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
> >
> >
>
--
Charles A. Monteiro
www.monteirosfusion.com
sent from the road
Re: the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
Posted by Omar Gonzalez <s9...@apache.org>.
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as>wrote:
> Just for the record -- Flash Builder Licenses are not tied to a particular
> platform like the creative suites. The 1+1 license can be split between
> two different OSs (this is how I have mine setup -- Win for Desktop, Mac
> for Laptop).
>
> -Nick
It's actually against the EULA to install your license on two OSs:
http://tinypic.com/r/nyh1xt/5
The entire EULA is here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/Gen_WWCombined-20110105_1512.pdf
They want you to buy one for each OS.
This is another reason to go with IntelliJ, besides being a superior
editor, they don't have this kind of restriction in their EULA.
This is the relevant piece: http://tinypic.com/r/2u7adrp/5
The entire IntelliJ EULA is here:
http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/license.html
--
Omar Gonzalez
s9tpepper@apache.org
Re: the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
Posted by Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as>.
Just for the record -- Flash Builder Licenses are not tied to a particular
platform like the creative suites. The 1+1 license can be split between
two different OSs (this is how I have mine setup -- Win for Desktop, Mac
for Laptop).
-Nick
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jeffry Houser <je...@dot-com-it.com>wrote:
> On 3/31/2012 1:09 PM, Charles Monteiro wrote:
>
>> hi, I just made a decision NOT to purchase the Flash Builder IDE, for one
>> their license is tied to the computer and not to the user and I need to be
>> able to both work on Flex on my Win notebook and Mac Mini.
>>
> The Adobe licenses allow you to install it on two computers; although I'm
> not sure if they allow it to be cross-OS
>
>
>
> thanks al, hope its an appropriate enough question for this list.
>>
>
> I don't think it is; as I don't feel this question was related to
> continued development of Flex.
>
>
> --
> Jeffry Houser
> Technical Entrepreneur
> 203-379-0773
> --
> http://www.flextras.com?c=104
> UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
> --
> http://www.theflexshow.com
> http://www.jeffryhouser.com
> http://www.asktheflexpert.com
> --
> Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
>
>
donation of ui designer to apache flex? (was: the gui designer issue:
Balsamiq + Napkee)
Posted by sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>.
Is there any news about the idea to give the flash builder ui designer
to apache flex, as its a flex app?
Le 31/03/2012 19:35, Charles Monteiro a écrit :
> they don't allow cross - os use.
>
> I feared that many would not think it pertinent to this list. My only
> glimmer of hope was that since Adobe is dropping the UI designer that the
> Balsamiq + Napkee combo would give Apache Flex future users i.e. especially
> newbies like me hope i.e. that there's an alternative approach.
>
> thanks
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jeffry Houser<je...@dot-com-it.com>wrote:
>
>> On 3/31/2012 1:09 PM, Charles Monteiro wrote:
>>
>>> hi, I just made a decision NOT to purchase the Flash Builder IDE, for one
>>> their license is tied to the computer and not to the user and I need to be
>>> able to both work on Flex on my Win notebook and Mac Mini.
>>>
>> The Adobe licenses allow you to install it on two computers; although I'm
>> not sure if they allow it to be cross-OS
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks al, hope its an appropriate enough question for this list.
>> I don't think it is; as I don't feel this question was related to
>> continued development of Flex.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeffry Houser
>> Technical Entrepreneur
>> 203-379-0773
>> --
>> http://www.flextras.com?c=104
>> UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
>> --
>> http://www.theflexshow.com
>> http://www.jeffryhouser.com
>> http://www.asktheflexpert.com
>> --
>> Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
>>
>>
>
Re: the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
Posted by Charles Monteiro <ch...@nycsmalltalk.org>.
they don't allow cross - os use.
I feared that many would not think it pertinent to this list. My only
glimmer of hope was that since Adobe is dropping the UI designer that the
Balsamiq + Napkee combo would give Apache Flex future users i.e. especially
newbies like me hope i.e. that there's an alternative approach.
thanks
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jeffry Houser <je...@dot-com-it.com>wrote:
> On 3/31/2012 1:09 PM, Charles Monteiro wrote:
>
>> hi, I just made a decision NOT to purchase the Flash Builder IDE, for one
>> their license is tied to the computer and not to the user and I need to be
>> able to both work on Flex on my Win notebook and Mac Mini.
>>
> The Adobe licenses allow you to install it on two computers; although I'm
> not sure if they allow it to be cross-OS
>
>
>
> thanks al, hope its an appropriate enough question for this list.
>>
>
> I don't think it is; as I don't feel this question was related to
> continued development of Flex.
>
>
> --
> Jeffry Houser
> Technical Entrepreneur
> 203-379-0773
> --
> http://www.flextras.com?c=104
> UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
> --
> http://www.theflexshow.com
> http://www.jeffryhouser.com
> http://www.asktheflexpert.com
> --
> Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
>
>
--
Charles A. Monteiro
www.monteirosfusion.com
sent from the road
Re: the gui designer issue: Balsamiq + Napkee
Posted by Jeffry Houser <je...@dot-com-it.com>.
On 3/31/2012 1:09 PM, Charles Monteiro wrote:
> hi, I just made a decision NOT to purchase the Flash Builder IDE, for one
> their license is tied to the computer and not to the user and I need to be
> able to both work on Flex on my Win notebook and Mac Mini.
The Adobe licenses allow you to install it on two computers; although
I'm not sure if they allow it to be cross-OS
> thanks al, hope its an appropriate enough question for this list.
I don't think it is; as I don't feel this question was related to
continued development of Flex.
--
Jeffry Houser
Technical Entrepreneur
203-379-0773
--
http://www.flextras.com?c=104
UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
--
http://www.theflexshow.com
http://www.jeffryhouser.com
http://www.asktheflexpert.com
--
Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust