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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by David Blevins <da...@visi.com> on 2005/10/11 20:56:55 UTC
Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Bill Stoddard wrote:
> David Blevins wrote:
>
>> On Oct 10, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Jencks wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think we should discuss if we want to move to confluence as
>>>> our wiki
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think the move to confluence is an excellent idea and we
>>> should definitely start discussing this. Looking at the current
>>> wiki, I think there is a lot of great but unorganized
>>> information. Since M5 has now been released we expect and
>>> enormous growth in "users" and so I think we are are now at a
>>> point where it would be good to start focusing on the
>>> organization and presentation of the wiki and the move to
>>> confluence would be a good starting point to be able to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> We have a confluence space if we want to start using it. http://
>> opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO
>> Here is an example of what we could do with it http://
>> opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Unassigned
>> -David
>>
>
> Humm... from discussions over on infrastructure I see Leo and Noel
> have some concerns about maintaining a confluence install on
> apache.org. Probably nothing that couldn't be solved by a few
> volunteers.
[...]
> Please don't send us down the path of hosting ASF project doc on
> non-ASF infrastructure. Nothing good can come from that exercise.
>
This is an old debate. Confluence is somewhat high maintenance and
much of the infrastructure team remains unconvinced it's worth the
trouble. The first time this idea came up on the Geronimo dev lists,
I kept in touch with the infrastructure guys that posted and emailed
them every couple months about it. This is the compromise we reached.
It's a confluence install hosted and maintained by the confluence
guys solely for use by the ASF and administered by members of the
ASF. Seems to me to be an acceptable middle ground for now.
-David
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 10/12/05, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> > Dain,
> > If you are bent on using confluence, can you please spearhead an
> > effort to set one up on our solaris zones. that way at least it would
> > be under ASF infra and all of us would do the lifting needed to
> > administer the thing w/o burdening the Infra folks.
>
> It would be awesome to have confluence at Apache! How do I get a
> solaris zone?
I agree and I'm willing to assist with this effort. I simply need to
resolve an issue with the forwarding of messages from minotaur.
Bruce
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Re: Geronimo WIKI Solaris Zone [was: Confluence - again ]
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
FYI, we (at Chariot) have a MoinMoin to Confluence conversion script.
If that would be helpful, let me know when you get that far.
Aaron
On 10/12/05, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 1:53 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
> > So it looks like step one it to establish the Geronimo zone.
> >
> > Geir can you ask infrastructure to create the Geronimo zone, and
> > once they are done, you will need to create an account for me.
> >
> > Also do any other committers want to help set this up (my unix
> > skills are weak).
> >
>
> Definitely. As before, I'm willing to do what it takes to make this
> happen.
>
> We had a short list of people who were willing to spend time on this
> when we voted on it the first time. I think we even voted a second
> time, IIRC, which is just strange :) Though I think we had more
> people than hardware then, so it was pretty much a no-go.
>
> Can't wait to dig into our zone.
>
> -David
>
>
Re: Geronimo WIKI Solaris Zone [was: Confluence - again ]
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
On Oct 12, 2005, at 1:53 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> So it looks like step one it to establish the Geronimo zone.
>
> Geir can you ask infrastructure to create the Geronimo zone, and
> once they are done, you will need to create an account for me.
>
> Also do any other committers want to help set this up (my unix
> skills are weak).
>
Definitely. As before, I'm willing to do what it takes to make this
happen.
We had a short list of people who were willing to spend time on this
when we voted on it the first time. I think we even voted a second
time, IIRC, which is just strange :) Though I think we had more
people than hardware then, so it was pretty much a no-go.
Can't wait to dig into our zone.
-David
Re: Geronimo WIKI Solaris Zone [was: Confluence - again ]
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 10/12/05, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> So it looks like step one it to establish the Geronimo zone.
>
> Geir can you ask infrastructure to create the Geronimo zone, and once
> they are done, you will need to create an account for me.
>
> Also do any other committers want to help set this up (my unix skills
> are weak).
Sure, I'll help too - and I'm a Unix nut ;-).
Bruce
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);'
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Re: Geronimo WIKI Solaris Zone [was: Confluence - again ]
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
Right, Dims said the same thing.
On Oct 12, 2005, at 1:50 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
>
>> David,
>> "This is the compromise we reached"...Can you please send me the
>> message id's of the messages in question? I don't remember seeing
>> this
>> on the infra mailing list.
>>
>>
>
> Don't have anything official for you. We've talked about and voted
> on confluence so many times on this list my brain has lost ability
> to track the details.
>
> IIRC, somewhere around this email is as official as it gets.
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=109055328726956&w=2
>
> I kept bugging Jeff after that thread died. At some point the ASF-
> only Confluence install got setup at Atlassian. I assumed it was
> ASF blessed.
>
I was mistaken.
Anyway, zones are great thing to get setup in general.
-David
On Oct 13, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> No - I was trying to find out what compromise you believe you've
> reached. Everything I've seen so far is negative about Confluence.
>
> Can you forward the info about the compromise with infra?
>
> Even if we can't do Confluence, I'm going to ask for two zones, one
> for general use, and one for TCK use.
>
> geir
>
> On Oct 13, 2005, at 2:08 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 12, 2005, at 1:53 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> So it looks like step one it to establish the Geronimo zone.
>>>
>>> Geir can you ask infrastructure to create the Geronimo zone, and
>>> once they are done, you will need to create an account for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Geir, any word from infrastructure on the zone?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>
Re: Geronimo WIKI Solaris Zone [was: Confluence - again ]
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
On Oct 13, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Even if we can't do Confluence, I'm going to ask for two zones, one
> for general use, and one for TCK use.
Cool is there an ETA on this? I'm excited to get started.
-dain
Re: Geronimo WIKI Solaris Zone [was: Confluence - again ]
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
No - I was trying to find out what compromise you believe you've
reached. Everything I've seen so far is negative about Confluence.
Can you forward the info about the compromise with infra?
Even if we can't do Confluence, I'm going to ask for two zones, one
for general use, and one for TCK use.
geir
On Oct 13, 2005, at 2:08 PM, David Blevins wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 1:53 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
>
>> So it looks like step one it to establish the Geronimo zone.
>>
>> Geir can you ask infrastructure to create the Geronimo zone, and
>> once they are done, you will need to create an account for me.
>>
>>
>
> Geir, any word from infrastructure on the zone?
>
> -David
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: Geronimo WIKI Solaris Zone [was: Confluence - again ]
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
On Oct 12, 2005, at 1:53 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> So it looks like step one it to establish the Geronimo zone.
>
> Geir can you ask infrastructure to create the Geronimo zone, and
> once they are done, you will need to create an account for me.
>
Geir, any word from infrastructure on the zone?
-David
Geronimo WIKI Solaris Zone [was: Confluence - again ]
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
So it looks like step one it to establish the Geronimo zone.
Geir can you ask infrastructure to create the Geronimo zone, and once
they are done, you will need to create an account for me.
Also do any other committers want to help set this up (my unix skills
are weak).
-dain
On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Please engage on the infra mailing list...more details are here:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/solaris-zones.html
>
> -- dims
>
> On 10/12/05, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dain,
>>> If you are bent on using confluence, can you please spearhead an
>>> effort to set one up on our solaris zones. that way at least it
>>> would
>>> be under ASF infra and all of us would do the lifting needed to
>>> administer the thing w/o burdening the Infra folks.
>>>
>>
>> It would be awesome to have confluence at Apache! How do I get a
>> solaris zone?
>>
>> -dain
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
>
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Please engage on the infra mailing list...more details are here:
http://www.apache.org/dev/solaris-zones.html
-- dims
On 10/12/05, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> > Dain,
> > If you are bent on using confluence, can you please spearhead an
> > effort to set one up on our solaris zones. that way at least it would
> > be under ASF infra and all of us would do the lifting needed to
> > administer the thing w/o burdening the Infra folks.
>
> It would be awesome to have confluence at Apache! How do I get a
> solaris zone?
>
> -dain
>
--
Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Dain,
> If you are bent on using confluence, can you please spearhead an
> effort to set one up on our solaris zones. that way at least it would
> be under ASF infra and all of us would do the lifting needed to
> administer the thing w/o burdening the Infra folks.
It would be awesome to have confluence at Apache! How do I get a
solaris zone?
-dain
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
It's all fine. This zone per PMC concept sounds like the answer to a
lot of things.
Should be just what the doctor ordered :)
-David
On Oct 12, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Nope. It wasn't blessed by infra folks :(
>
> -- dims
>
> On 10/12/05, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>>
>>> David,
>>> "This is the compromise we reached"...Can you please send me the
>>> message id's of the messages in question? I don't remember seeing
>>> this
>>> on the infra mailing list.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Don't have anything official for you. We've talked about and voted
>> on confluence so many times on this list my brain has lost ability to
>> track the details.
>>
>> IIRC, somewhere around this email is as official as it gets.
>> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=109055328726956&w=2
>>
>> I kept bugging Jeff after that thread died. At some point the ASF-
>> only Confluence install got setup at Atlassian. I assumed it was ASF
>> blessed.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
>
>
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Nope. It wasn't blessed by infra folks :(
-- dims
On 10/12/05, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> > David,
> > "This is the compromise we reached"...Can you please send me the
> > message id's of the messages in question? I don't remember seeing this
> > on the infra mailing list.
> >
>
> Don't have anything official for you. We've talked about and voted
> on confluence so many times on this list my brain has lost ability to
> track the details.
>
> IIRC, somewhere around this email is as official as it gets.
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=109055328726956&w=2
>
> I kept bugging Jeff after that thread died. At some point the ASF-
> only Confluence install got setup at Atlassian. I assumed it was ASF
> blessed.
>
> -David
>
--
Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> David,
> "This is the compromise we reached"...Can you please send me the
> message id's of the messages in question? I don't remember seeing this
> on the infra mailing list.
>
Don't have anything official for you. We've talked about and voted
on confluence so many times on this list my brain has lost ability to
track the details.
IIRC, somewhere around this email is as official as it gets.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=109055328726956&w=2
I kept bugging Jeff after that thread died. At some point the ASF-
only Confluence install got setup at Atlassian. I assumed it was ASF
blessed.
-David
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
David,
"This is the compromise we reached"...Can you please send me the
message id's of the messages in question? I don't remember seeing this
on the infra mailing list.
Dain,
If you are bent on using confluence, can you please spearhead an
effort to set one up on our solaris zones. that way at least it would
be under ASF infra and all of us would do the lifting needed to
administer the thing w/o burdening the Infra folks.
thanks,
dims
On 10/11/05, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
> On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Bill Stoddard wrote:
>
> > David Blevins wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 10, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> David Jencks wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we should discuss if we want to move to confluence as
> >>>> our wiki
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I think the move to confluence is an excellent idea and we
> >>> should definitely start discussing this. Looking at the current
> >>> wiki, I think there is a lot of great but unorganized
> >>> information. Since M5 has now been released we expect and
> >>> enormous growth in "users" and so I think we are are now at a
> >>> point where it would be good to start focusing on the
> >>> organization and presentation of the wiki and the move to
> >>> confluence would be a good starting point to be able to do so.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> We have a confluence space if we want to start using it. http://
> >> opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO
> >> Here is an example of what we could do with it http://
> >> opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Unassigned
> >> -David
> >>
> >
> > Humm... from discussions over on infrastructure I see Leo and Noel
> > have some concerns about maintaining a confluence install on
> > apache.org. Probably nothing that couldn't be solved by a few
> > volunteers.
> [...]
> > Please don't send us down the path of hosting ASF project doc on
> > non-ASF infrastructure. Nothing good can come from that exercise.
> >
>
> This is an old debate. Confluence is somewhat high maintenance and
> much of the infrastructure team remains unconvinced it's worth the
> trouble. The first time this idea came up on the Geronimo dev lists,
> I kept in touch with the infrastructure guys that posted and emailed
> them every couple months about it. This is the compromise we reached.
>
> It's a confluence install hosted and maintained by the confluence
> guys solely for use by the ASF and administered by members of the
> ASF. Seems to me to be an acceptable middle ground for now.
>
> -David
>
--
Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com>.
Geir, have you noted how user-unfriendly the apache wiki is? with this
wiki you are very limited with the formating. The wiki names are not
easy either, try to talk about " ConnectionPoolDatasource", this wiki
will automatically create a new page link for it.
I think it would be better to keep everything "local" but the local wiki
needs some work then(i.e. update presentation/look&feel, formating tags,
navigability, manage local attachments, etc.)
It takes a lot more time to format a simple article in wiki than
confluence and still you will not get the same organization/structure
you been looking for.
I prefer to have the articles out faster and with the best formating
possible.
What you think it would be the best alternative for documentation?
Cheers!
Hernan
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> I'm with Bill. I'd really prefer if we didn't officially unofficially
> have official unofficial materials on a foreign wiki.
>
> If someone feels the demented urge to use a wiki for documentation,
> lets use the one here. Or use xdocs or something :)
>
> geir
>
> On Oct 11, 2005, at 2:56 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>
>> On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Bill Stoddard wrote:
>>
>>
>>> David Blevins wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 10, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David Jencks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we should discuss if we want to move to confluence as
>>>>>> our wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think the move to confluence is an excellent idea and we should
>>>>> definitely start discussing this. Looking at the current wiki, I
>>>>> think there is a lot of great but unorganized information. Since
>>>>> M5 has now been released we expect and enormous growth in "users"
>>>>> and so I think we are are now at a point where it would be good
>>>>> to start focusing on the organization and presentation of the
>>>>> wiki and the move to confluence would be a good starting point to
>>>>> be able to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> We have a confluence space if we want to start using it. http://
>>>> opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO
>>>> Here is an example of what we could do with it http://
>>>> opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Unassigned
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Humm... from discussions over on infrastructure I see Leo and Noel
>>> have some concerns about maintaining a confluence install on
>>> apache.org. Probably nothing that couldn't be solved by a few
>>> volunteers.
>>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Please don't send us down the path of hosting ASF project doc on
>>> non-ASF infrastructure. Nothing good can come from that exercise.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is an old debate. Confluence is somewhat high maintenance and
>> much of the infrastructure team remains unconvinced it's worth the
>> trouble. The first time this idea came up on the Geronimo dev lists,
>> I kept in touch with the infrastructure guys that posted and emailed
>> them every couple months about it. This is the compromise we reached.
>>
>> It's a confluence install hosted and maintained by the confluence
>> guys solely for use by the ASF and administered by members of the
>> ASF. Seems to me to be an acceptable middle ground for now.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 10/13/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>
> > On 10/12/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> That is the question. Don't forget Solaris, which isn't OSS yet
> >> either...
> >>
> >
> > Except... it is?
> >
> > http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/usr/src/
>
> OpenSolaris is open, or will be, but
>
> a) IIRC, not everything has been released as OSS yet - you still need
> a binary component.
>
> b) That's not what we're running at the moment.
>
> (I'd like to be wrong, but I don't think so...)
Yes, I beleive you're correct and I don't know if the binary
requirement will ever change. IIRC Sun's goal was to open source
select pieces of Solaris.
Bruce
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);'
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Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 10/12/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> That is the question. Don't forget Solaris, which isn't OSS yet
> either...
Actually, Solaris is open source (see http://www.opensolaris.org/).
Bruce
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);'
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Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Oct 13, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> On 10/12/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> That is the question. Don't forget Solaris, which isn't OSS yet
>> either...
>>
>
> Except... it is?
>
> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/usr/src/
OpenSolaris is open, or will be, but
a) IIRC, not everything has been released as OSS yet - you still need
a binary component.
b) That's not what we're running at the moment.
(I'd like to be wrong, but I don't think so...)
geir
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geirm@apache.org
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
On 10/12/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> That is the question. Don't forget Solaris, which isn't OSS yet
> either...
Except... it is?
http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/usr/src/
Aaron
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:35 PM, David Jencks wrote:
>
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:18 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>
>> What compromise are you talking about? Please forward some info.
>> I'm on infra and don't recall this.
>>
>> My email got all out of whack because of that server move... are
>> we talking about setting up Conflluence here? Or using it elswhere?
>>
>
> setting it up on a solaris zone
>
thx
>>
>> On the idea of using foreign infrastructure, I think this is a bad
>> idea for this project. The Apache Board takes a dim view of this,
>> and I can think of a bunch of reasons why we don't want to do this.
>>
>> On setting up here in a Solaris Zone here and running Confluence,
>> I think that's better, but I have doubts that people will be happy
>> with us running proprietary software here. I'll see what infra
>> thinks (unless someone already knows...)
>>
>
> How is running confluence different from running jira? Isn't there
> an osx box (moof) at apache?
That is the question. Don't forget Solaris, which isn't OSS yet
either...
geir
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geirm@apache.org
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>.
On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:18 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> What compromise are you talking about? Please forward some info. I'm
> on infra and don't recall this.
>
> My email got all out of whack because of that server move... are we
> talking about setting up Conflluence here? Or using it elswhere?
setting it up on a solaris zone
>
> On the idea of using foreign infrastructure, I think this is a bad
> idea for this project. The Apache Board takes a dim view of this, and
> I can think of a bunch of reasons why we don't want to do this.
>
> On setting up here in a Solaris Zone here and running Confluence, I
> think that's better, but I have doubts that people will be happy with
> us running proprietary software here. I'll see what infra thinks
> (unless someone already knows...)
How is running confluence different from running jira? Isn't there an
osx box (moof) at apache?
thanks
david jencks
>
> geir
>
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
>> Geir, did you read David's response. This compromise was created
>> with the support of the infrastructure team. If you have a problem,
>> take it up with them.
>>
>> I personally am going to use Confluence because it is the best tool
>> for the job.
>>
>> -dain
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm with Bill. I'd really prefer if we didn't officially
>>> unofficially have official unofficial materials on a foreign wiki.
>>>
>>> If someone feels the demented urge to use a wiki for documentation,
>>> lets use the one here. Or use xdocs or something :)
>>>
>>> geir
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:36 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> On 10/12/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> On setting up here in a Solaris Zone here and running Confluence, I
> think that's better, but I have doubts that people will be happy with
> us running proprietary software here.
>
> Can we count this as a vote for Bugzilla?
LOL. I prefer JIRA, thanks :)
I have no idea why JIRA would be allowed and not Confluence based on
that aspect. Something to find out.
geir
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geirm@apache.org
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
On 10/12/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On setting up here in a Solaris Zone here and running Confluence, I
> think that's better, but I have doubts that people will be happy with
> us running proprietary software here.
Can we count this as a vote for Bugzilla?
Aaron
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
What compromise are you talking about? Please forward some info.
I'm on infra and don't recall this.
My email got all out of whack because of that server move... are we
talking about setting up Conflluence here? Or using it elswhere?
On the idea of using foreign infrastructure, I think this is a bad
idea for this project. The Apache Board takes a dim view of this,
and I can think of a bunch of reasons why we don't want to do this.
On setting up here in a Solaris Zone here and running Confluence, I
think that's better, but I have doubts that people will be happy with
us running proprietary software here. I'll see what infra thinks
(unless someone already knows...)
geir
On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> Geir, did you read David's response. This compromise was created
> with the support of the infrastructure team. If you have a
> problem, take it up with them.
>
> I personally am going to use Confluence because it is the best tool
> for the job.
>
> -dain
>
> On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
>
>> I'm with Bill. I'd really prefer if we didn't officially
>> unofficially have official unofficial materials on a foreign wiki.
>>
>> If someone feels the demented urge to use a wiki for
>> documentation, lets use the one here. Or use xdocs or something :)
>>
>> geir
>>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
I checked with infra folks, no one seems to have approved such a
request. So, please don't use the outside wiki till we settle this
with infra folks.
thanks,
dims
On 10/12/05, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> Geir, did you read David's response. This compromise was created
> with the support of the infrastructure team. If you have a problem,
> take it up with them.
>
> I personally am going to use Confluence because it is the best tool
> for the job.
>
> -dain
>
> On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
> > I'm with Bill. I'd really prefer if we didn't officially
> > unofficially have official unofficial materials on a foreign wiki.
> >
> > If someone feels the demented urge to use a wiki for
> > documentation, lets use the one here. Or use xdocs or something :)
> >
> > geir
>
--
Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
Geir, did you read David's response. This compromise was created
with the support of the infrastructure team. If you have a problem,
take it up with them.
I personally am going to use Confluence because it is the best tool
for the job.
-dain
On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> I'm with Bill. I'd really prefer if we didn't officially
> unofficially have official unofficial materials on a foreign wiki.
>
> If someone feels the demented urge to use a wiki for
> documentation, lets use the one here. Or use xdocs or something :)
>
> geir
Re: Confluence - again (was Re: Applications migration)
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@4quarters.com>.
I'm with Bill. I'd really prefer if we didn't officially
unofficially have official unofficial materials on a foreign wiki.
If someone feels the demented urge to use a wiki for documentation,
lets use the one here. Or use xdocs or something :)
geir
On Oct 11, 2005, at 2:56 PM, David Blevins wrote:
> On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Bill Stoddard wrote:
>
>
>> David Blevins wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Sachin Patel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Jencks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we should discuss if we want to move to confluence as
>>>>> our wiki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I think the move to confluence is an excellent idea and we
>>>> should definitely start discussing this. Looking at the current
>>>> wiki, I think there is a lot of great but unorganized
>>>> information. Since M5 has now been released we expect and
>>>> enormous growth in "users" and so I think we are are now at a
>>>> point where it would be good to start focusing on the
>>>> organization and presentation of the wiki and the move to
>>>> confluence would be a good starting point to be able to do so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We have a confluence space if we want to start using it. http://
>>> opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO
>>> Here is an example of what we could do with it http://
>>> opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Unassigned
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Humm... from discussions over on infrastructure I see Leo and Noel
>> have some concerns about maintaining a confluence install on
>> apache.org. Probably nothing that couldn't be solved by a few
>> volunteers.
>>
> [...]
>
>> Please don't send us down the path of hosting ASF project doc on
>> non-ASF infrastructure. Nothing good can come from that exercise.
>>
>>
>
> This is an old debate. Confluence is somewhat high maintenance and
> much of the infrastructure team remains unconvinced it's worth the
> trouble. The first time this idea came up on the Geronimo dev
> lists, I kept in touch with the infrastructure guys that posted and
> emailed them every couple months about it. This is the compromise
> we reached.
>
> It's a confluence install hosted and maintained by the confluence
> guys solely for use by the ASF and administered by members of the
> ASF. Seems to me to be an acceptable middle ground for now.
>
> -David
>
>
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geir@optonline.net