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Re: Need Wicket Book
I've been playing with Wicket for a while now and i think in certain areas
(specially internal architecture) i need to still connect the dots at a
larger scale so was researching books.
"Wicket In Action" & "Enjoying Web Development with Wicket" seem to emerge.
Wicket In Action --> Seems more conceptual (Deeper understanding)
Enjoying Web Development with Wicket --> For practical programming and
explaining existing components etc.
Anyone who has read both?
As a test I did not find the concept of "Versioning" mentioned in the TOC
atleast.
..and how come Igor hasn't written a book?, his answers are never more than
2 lines (except when he is pissed off) heh :)
.anyway I dont mind buying both but one has to also read them ;) [Phew i
prefer to Hack and try]
Any suggestions ?
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by "adam.gibbons" <ad...@gmail.com>.
Wicket in Action is very good, it covers all the topics you'd want and in a
reasonable amount of detail.
I got mine as a pdf, much more handy for searching for things than a paper
based one, plus better for the environment!
There really needs to be a whole book on models, well not just models, but
how to write decent production scale models that hook into things like
Spring and Hibernate.
I'll have to get the other book as I thought Wicket in Action was the only
one!
On 11 November 2010 12:24, Arjun Dhar [via Apache Wicket] <
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> wrote:
> I've been playing with Wicket for a while now and i think in certain areas
> (specially internal architecture) i need to still connect the dots at a
> larger scale so was researching books.
>
> "Wicket In Action" & "Enjoying Web Development with Wicket" seem to
> emerge.
>
> Wicket In Action --> Seems more conceptual (Deeper understanding)
> Enjoying Web Development with Wicket --> For practical programming and
> explaining existing components etc.
>
> Anyone who has read both?
> As a test I did not find the concept of "Versioning" mentioned in the TOC
> atleast.
>
> ..and how come Igor hasn't written a book?, his answers are never more than
> 2 lines (except when he is pissed off) heh :)
>
> .anyway I dont mind buying both but one has to also read them ;) [Phew i
> prefer to Hack and try]
> Any suggestions ?
>
>
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
Is "Arjun Dhar" some sort of alias for Martijn or Eelco? ;)
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Arjun Dhar <dh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I bought both the books. I've been going chapter by chapter on both and
> then skipped the initial part because I'm familiar.
>
> IMO Wicket in Action is a better book. What i really like is the way it
> defines every concept. However I do have a suggestion for the next book; to
> cater to medium to advanced users.
>
> There is very little per section. Like more real life cases of the use of
> fragments. Or references to existing source code for more complex scenarios
> would also be sufficient to lead the reader to figure it themselves but
> point them in the right direction. I guess thats what the user forum is for,
> but its an expensive book and I'd prefer the book to tell me that :))
>
> thanks everyone.
>
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by Arjun Dhar <dh...@yahoo.com>.
Hi,
I bought both the books. I've been going chapter by chapter on both and
then skipped the initial part because I'm familiar.
IMO Wicket in Action is a better book. What i really like is the way it
defines every concept. However I do have a suggestion for the next book; to
cater to medium to advanced users.
There is very little per section. Like more real life cases of the use of
fragments. Or references to existing source code for more complex scenarios
would also be sufficient to lead the reader to figure it themselves but
point them in the right direction. I guess thats what the user forum is for,
but its an expensive book and I'd prefer the book to tell me that :))
thanks everyone.
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by dh...@yahoo.com.
Yes I did see one mention it; see my post. The other book . On my phone so can't remember the name.
They don't have a paypal option and I can't remember the name so that's bad marketing for them. But looks like a good book (I read the sample chapters)
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From: "Frank Silbermann" <fr...@fedex.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:24:36
To: <us...@wicket.apache.org>
Reply-To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: RE: Need Wicket Book
Does any Wicket book describe the use of Wicket Extensions, such as
DataTable? I didn't see anything on that subject in_Wicket_in_Action_.
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by dh...@yahoo.com.
I agree with you; the idea of a book should really be to clarify concepts. Because technology keeps moving on and that's where the code and user forums come is. But a foundation ;..specially on architecture and life cycles is best explained bya book. That's what I"m searching for . But each one to their own!
:)
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From: "Frank Silbermann" <fr...@fedex.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:40:42
To: <us...@wicket.apache.org>
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Subject: RE: Need Wicket Book
When I coded my application originally based on Wicket 1.2, I after looking at the DataTable example, I had to peruse the DataTable (and, for 1.2, DefaultDataTable) code to figure out what I needed to do for my task.
Even if I had had_Wicket_in_Action_ at my disposal back then, I think I still would have had to look at the DataTable implementation.
Perhaps with open source it is expected that users will have to look at the implementation code now and then, but I think for many people it is a psychological hurdle. /Frank
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From: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dashorst@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 8:57 AM
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Re: Need Wicket Book
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Frank Silbermann
<fr...@fedex.com> wrote:
> Does any Wicket book describe the use of Wicket Extensions, such as
> DataTable? I didn't see anything on that subject in _Wicket_in_Action_.
In order to keep the book manageable (in thickness) and to be able to
publish it on some derailed schedule, datatable and extensions friends
were not included. It would probably have costed another 20 pages or
so to properly discuss datatable, and another 20 to quickly summarize
each component in extensions.
We believe that the explanations offered in Wicket in Action should
provide anyone to fully grasp Wicket concepts and that should suffice
to have a really quick understanding of anything wicket extensions
throws at you (unless you look at modal window, or the tree components
;-)
Martijn
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RE: Need Wicket Book
Posted by Frank Silbermann <fr...@fedex.com>.
When I coded my application originally based on Wicket 1.2, I after looking at the DataTable example, I had to peruse the DataTable (and, for 1.2, DefaultDataTable) code to figure out what I needed to do for my task.
Even if I had had _Wicket_in_Action_ at my disposal back then, I think I still would have had to look at the DataTable implementation.
Perhaps with open source it is expected that users will have to look at the implementation code now and then, but I think for many people it is a psychological hurdle. /Frank
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From: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dashorst@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 8:57 AM
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Re: Need Wicket Book
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Frank Silbermann
<fr...@fedex.com> wrote:
> Does any Wicket book describe the use of Wicket Extensions, such as
> DataTable? I didn't see anything on that subject in _Wicket_in_Action_.
In order to keep the book manageable (in thickness) and to be able to
publish it on some derailed schedule, datatable and extensions friends
were not included. It would probably have costed another 20 pages or
so to properly discuss datatable, and another 20 to quickly summarize
each component in extensions.
We believe that the explanations offered in Wicket in Action should
provide anyone to fully grasp Wicket concepts and that should suffice
to have a really quick understanding of anything wicket extensions
throws at you (unless you look at modal window, or the tree components
;-)
Martijn
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Frank Silbermann
<fr...@fedex.com> wrote:
> Does any Wicket book describe the use of Wicket Extensions, such as
> DataTable? I didn't see anything on that subject in _Wicket_in_Action_.
In order to keep the book manageable (in thickness) and to be able to
publish it on some derailed schedule, datatable and extensions friends
were not included. It would probably have costed another 20 pages or
so to properly discuss datatable, and another 20 to quickly summarize
each component in extensions.
We believe that the explanations offered in Wicket in Action should
provide anyone to fully grasp Wicket concepts and that should suffice
to have a really quick understanding of anything wicket extensions
throws at you (unless you look at modal window, or the tree components
;-)
Martijn
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RE: Need Wicket Book
Posted by Frank Silbermann <fr...@fedex.com>.
Does any Wicket book describe the use of Wicket Extensions, such as
DataTable? I didn't see anything on that subject in _Wicket_in_Action_.
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by Mark Doyle <ma...@googlemail.com>.
You don't get royalties? :o
It's a great book by the way, in fact I think it's the perfect book to start
your Wicket career with.
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Martijn Dashorst <
martijn.dashorst@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Nico Guba <ng...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Wouldn't the imminent release of Wicket 1.5 warrant a second edition?
> > It would be most welcome indeed :)
>
> Writing the second edition would not be on the scale of 'imminent'.
> The first edition took 2 guys roughly 2 years of personal time. Not
> something
> I'd like to repeat soon... If someone would pay me to write the book
> full time... that would be a whole different discussion :)
>
> Martijn
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Nico Guba <ng...@mac.com> wrote:
> Wouldn't the imminent release of Wicket 1.5 warrant a second edition?
> It would be most welcome indeed :)
Writing the second edition would not be on the scale of 'imminent'.
The first edition took 2 guys roughly 2 years of personal time. Not
something
I'd like to repeat soon... If someone would pay me to write the book
full time... that would be a whole different discussion :)
Martijn
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by Nico Guba <ng...@mac.com>.
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Wouldn't the imminent release of Wicket 1.5 warrant a second edition?
It would be most welcome indeed :)
On 11/11/2010 1:00 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> You can download the first 4 chapters of EWDWW for free iirc, just as
> you can download 3 WiA chapters (2 from the book, one as an extra).
> Read those and see which writing style is more to your liking.
>
> As far as Wicket in Action is concerned: we tried to be as practical
> as possible, and go in depth when necessary to explain the underlying
> ideas. I think we got the balance right: enough code examples to try
> out and see how things should be, but no listings that span for pages
> without any explanation. Despite having to read WiA a couple of
> hundred times while writing it, I still think it is a book I would
> love to read if I wasn't one of the authors.
>
> As for 'missing' versioning in the ToC: we had to make choices in what
> to discuss. Versioning is such a deep technical detail which both
> Eelco and myself haven't had much to work with directly, that we
> didn't want to include it. It would open up a can of worms and it
> would be obsolete with Wicket 1.5 (which doesn't do versioning in the
> same way). I see versioning in Wicket to be an implementation detail
> not worth too much attention—until you run into a problem, and then
> the user@ list is a much better resource than a book.
>
> Martijn
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Arjun Dhar <dh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've been playing with Wicket for a while now and i think in certain areas
>> (specially internal architecture) i need to still connect the dots at a
>> larger scale so was researching books.
>>
>> "Wicket In Action" & "Enjoying Web Development with Wicket" seem to emerge.
>>
>> Wicket In Action --> Seems more conceptual (Deeper understanding)
>> Enjoying Web Development with Wicket --> For practical programming and
>> explaining existing components etc.
>>
>> Anyone who has read both?
>> As a test I did not find the concept of "Versioning" mentioned in the TOC
>> atleast.
>>
>> ..and how come Igor hasn't written a book?, his answers are never more than
>> 2 lines (except when he is pissed off) heh :)
>>
>> .anyway I dont mind buying both but one has to also read them ;) [Phew i
>> prefer to Hack and try]
>> Any suggestions ?
>>
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Re: Need Wicket Book
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
You can download the first 4 chapters of EWDWW for free iirc, just as
you can download 3 WiA chapters (2 from the book, one as an extra).
Read those and see which writing style is more to your liking.
As far as Wicket in Action is concerned: we tried to be as practical
as possible, and go in depth when necessary to explain the underlying
ideas. I think we got the balance right: enough code examples to try
out and see how things should be, but no listings that span for pages
without any explanation. Despite having to read WiA a couple of
hundred times while writing it, I still think it is a book I would
love to read if I wasn't one of the authors.
As for 'missing' versioning in the ToC: we had to make choices in what
to discuss. Versioning is such a deep technical detail which both
Eelco and myself haven't had much to work with directly, that we
didn't want to include it. It would open up a can of worms and it
would be obsolete with Wicket 1.5 (which doesn't do versioning in the
same way). I see versioning in Wicket to be an implementation detail
not worth too much attention—until you run into a problem, and then
the user@ list is a much better resource than a book.
Martijn
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Arjun Dhar <dh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I've been playing with Wicket for a while now and i think in certain areas
> (specially internal architecture) i need to still connect the dots at a
> larger scale so was researching books.
>
> "Wicket In Action" & "Enjoying Web Development with Wicket" seem to emerge.
>
> Wicket In Action --> Seems more conceptual (Deeper understanding)
> Enjoying Web Development with Wicket --> For practical programming and
> explaining existing components etc.
>
> Anyone who has read both?
> As a test I did not find the concept of "Versioning" mentioned in the TOC
> atleast.
>
> ..and how come Igor hasn't written a book?, his answers are never more than
> 2 lines (except when he is pissed off) heh :)
>
> .anyway I dont mind buying both but one has to also read them ;) [Phew i
> prefer to Hack and try]
> Any suggestions ?
>
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