What to do with my spam?

[Craig McLean <cr...@craig.dnsalias.com>]

All,
I don't have a massive mail system. Just 2 users, of which this is
one ;-) and ~200 messages a day.
In order to train bayes I created a junk user and seeded it to a few
messageboards to get it on the spam lists. The account isn't used for
anything else so every message is spam and gets learned as such, the
whole mailbox gets deleted each night.
The real address (this one) gets sa-learned by hand as ham/spam about
once a week.

The question is: What other use is there for this "guaranteed" spam I am
getting? It's only about 40 messages a day but is it useful to anyone
else, or should I just keep deleting it?

Kind Regards,
Craig.

Re: What to do with my spam?

[Marc Perkel <ma...@perkel.com>]

Here's what I do with it

http://www.junkemailfilter.com/how-spam-filter-works.htm

*Grades of Spam*

   1. *Ham* ** -2 points and down. - Automatically learned.
   2. *Non Spam* ** -2 to 5 points. - Not automatically learned
   3. *Low Spam* ** 5 - 15 points. - Passed and Tagged. Not
      automatically learned.
   4. *High Spam* ** 15 - 35 points. - Bounced and automatically learned.
   5. *Very High Spam* ** 35+ points. - Blackhole and automatically
      learned.
   6. *Pure Trash* ** Points not scored because message never accepted -
      Rejected at Connect Time.




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Re: What to do with my spam?

[Thomas Cameron <th...@camerontech.com>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Kettler" <mk...@evi-inc.com>
To: "Thomas Cameron" <th...@camerontech.com>; 
<us...@spamassassin.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: What to do with my spam?


> At 10:07 PM 1/24/2005, Thomas Cameron wrote:
>>Does anyone know if there is a way to automagically report messages via 
>>spamd, maybe if they score over a certain level?
>
> No. That feature was present in old versions of SA, but it removed from SA 
> in the 2.3 series at the strong request of the Razor developers.
>
> Razor does not want automated reporting based on SA scores and they 
> explicitly prohibit ANY automated reporting except spamtrap accounts.

OK, thanks for the info!

TC 

Re: What to do with my spam?

[Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>]

At 10:07 PM 1/24/2005, Thomas Cameron wrote:
>Does anyone know if there is a way to automagically report messages via 
>spamd, maybe if they score over a certain level?

No. That feature was present in old versions of SA, but it removed from SA 
in the 2.3 series at the strong request of the Razor developers.

Razor does not want automated reporting based on SA scores and they 
explicitly prohibit ANY automated reporting except spamtrap accounts.

Re: What to do with my spam?

[Michael W Cocke <co...@catherders.com>]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:11:48 -0500, you wrote:

>On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:07:27PM -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote:
>> Does anyone know if there is a way to automagically report messages via 
>> spamd, maybe if they score over a certain level?
>
>No way.  It does checks only.

Well, it depends...

I have a directory where all false negatives from every user in the
system are supposed to be 'saved as' text files, and a cron job that
runs thru that directory hourly.  Here's part of that job.

/usr/bin/gunzip /home/spam4sa-learn/*.gz
cat /home/spam4sa-learn/* | /usr/bin/sa-learn --spam --mbox
cat /home/spam4sa-learn/* | /usr/bin/razor-report

It works pretty well.  The users love it because they feel like
they're participating in the process of reducing their spam and not
just being cargo.  I'd say I get 98% compliance from them -   and it
does make for fast learning.  I also run sa-learn -ham over all of the
system mailboxes.

Mike-

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Re: What to do with my spam?

[Theo Van Dinter <fe...@kluge.net>]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:07:27PM -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is a way to automagically report messages via 
> spamd, maybe if they score over a certain level?

No way.  It does checks only.

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Re: What to do with my spam?

[Thomas Cameron <th...@camerontech.com>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Kettler" <mk...@evi-inc.com>
To: "Craig McLean" <cr...@craig.dnsalias.com>; 
<us...@spamassassin.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: What to do with my spam?

> spamssassin -r will report to spamcop (sa 3.0+), learn as spam, and if you 
> have them installed report to dcc, razor and pyzor.

I am using SA 3.0.2, Pyzor 0.4.0, Vipul's Razor 2.61 (razor-agents-2.61-0), 
and DCC 1.2.63 installed.  I also have spamass-milter set up to reject (at 
the SMTP level) messages which score over a certain score.

Does anyone know if there is a way to automagically report messages via 
spamd, maybe if they score over a certain level?

Thomas 

Re: What to do with my spam?

[Matt Kettler <mk...@evi-inc.com>]

At 06:05 PM 1/24/2005, Craig McLean wrote:
>The question is: What other use is there for this "guaranteed" spam I am
>getting? It's only about 40 messages a day but is it useful to anyone
>else, or should I just keep deleting it?

You could feed it to spamassassin -r instead of sa-learn --spam. But that 
only works for single messages, not whole mboxes.

spamssassin -r will report to spamcop (sa 3.0+), learn as spam, and if you 
have them installed report to dcc, razor and pyzor.

Reporting to common spam tracking systems like these, and perhaps the ftc's 
uce account, is about the only "other use" there might be for your spam.