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Posted to user@jspwiki.apache.org by Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> on 2008/03/31 11:05:16 UTC
some questions on JSPWiki
Hi all,
I'm just updating our wikimatrix.org record
(http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/JSPWiki) and have a few questions
regarding various aspects of JSPWiki:
* Is this page still up-to-date?
http://www.ecyrd.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jspwiki-users
When subscribing there, is one automatically put on the
jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org list?
* There's a question "Can some scripting be used in wiki pages? Which
language is used?", which is at the moment answered with "TCL
plugin, JavaScript". Is this still correct and exhaustive?
* Are main actions of the wiki available via keyboard shortcuts?
I think yes, because it's documented on
http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiKeyboardShortcuts
but I've never found out how it works... IS it working?
Regards,
Florian
Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Just a small clarification.
The mailing list information here: http://www.ecyrd.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jspwiki-users
refers to the jspwiki-users@jspwiki.org mailing list that is closed
and no longer used.
The mailing list information here: http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiMailingList
refers to jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org and is the current
mailing list for the project.
Craig
On Mar 31, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Janne Jalkanen wrote:
>> * Is this page still up-to-date?
>> http://www.ecyrd.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jspwiki-users
>> When subscribing there, is one automatically put on the
>> jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org list?
>
> Nope. That list is closed and it's impossible to join.
>
> The correct page to refer to is the JSPWikiMailingList page on
> jspwiki.org.
>
> /Janne
Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>.
> * Is this page still up-to-date?
> http://www.ecyrd.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jspwiki-users
> When subscribing there, is one automatically put on the
> jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org list?
Nope. That list is closed and it's impossible to join.
The correct page to refer to is the JSPWikiMailingList page on
jspwiki.org.
/Janne
Re: access keys and i18n, was: Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Dirk Frederickx <di...@gmail.com>.
Janne,
There is no JS involved for shortcut keys, this is standard HTML.
The rendering of the underscore is part of the wikitags for TABBED SECTION.
dirk
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Janne Jalkanen
<Ja...@ecyrd.com> wrote:
>
> BTW, how expensive is this operation? I'm a bit worried at all the JS
> hackery that is going on, as slower computers (e.g. my cell phone) seem to
> be somewhat sluggish when accessing jspwiki.
>
> /Janne
>
>
>
> On 31 Mar 2008, at 22:38, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
>
> > Shortcut-keys are not i18n, but hard-coded into the JSPs.
> > Eg on OS-X, changing the language, does not change the short-cut keys.
> >
> > As the 'underscore' in the TAB, which indicates the shortcut key, is
> > calculated at runtime, the A of Attachment is also underscored in
> > BijlAgen in Dutch.
> > But when the shortcut key is not found, no chars are underscored:
> > there is no 'V' in 'Anzeigen'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > dirk
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Dirk! Now I've found out that it's Alt+Shift+<key> in both
> > > Firefox 2 and IE7. I guess this was the only combination I had
> > > forgotten :-)
> > >
> > > Is there any rule on how to do internationalization regarding access
> > > keys? The problem is, for example, 'View' has the access key 'v', but
> > > in german it's 'Anzeigen'.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Florian
> > >
> > > Ursprüngliche Nachricht vom 31.03.2008 um 21:02:
> > >
> > > > Florian,
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Works fine on OS-X. (use Ctrl+<key>)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Windows you should use Alt+<key> which seems to work ok on IE6 ,
> > > > but with the restriction that you need to use the keyboard shortcut to
> > > > select the link or button, then press enter to execute.
> > > > But I had issues with FF on Win too. Alt+<something> leads you to
> > > > predefined FF keys.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > dirk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Florian Holeczek
> <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > * There's a question "Can some scripting be used in wiki pages?
> Which
> > > > > > > language is used?", which is at the moment answered with "TCL
> > > > > > > plugin, JavaScript". Is this still correct and exhaustive?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You need plugins for scripting.
> > > > > > As far as I know, there is also a Groovy plugin available.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Right, I've found this one in the meantime.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > * Are main actions of the wiki available via keyboard shortcuts?
> > > > > > > I think yes, because it's documented on
> > > > > > > http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiKeyboardShortcuts
> > > > > > > but I've never found out how it works... IS it working?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, this is working. Both on OS-X as WIN platforms.
> > > > > > The help-texts indicate the shortcut key in square brackets, the
> TABS
> > > > > > have the shortcut key underscored.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm using Firefox 2 and Windows XP SP2 with IE7. In both browsers
> > > > > I've tried several combinations of Alt, Ctrl and the Windows key,
> but
> > > > > no success.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Florian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Re: access keys and i18n, was: Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>.
BTW, how expensive is this operation? I'm a bit worried at all the JS
hackery that is going on, as slower computers (e.g. my cell phone)
seem to be somewhat sluggish when accessing jspwiki.
/Janne
On 31 Mar 2008, at 22:38, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
> Shortcut-keys are not i18n, but hard-coded into the JSPs.
> Eg on OS-X, changing the language, does not change the short-cut keys.
>
> As the 'underscore' in the TAB, which indicates the shortcut key, is
> calculated at runtime, the A of Attachment is also underscored in
> BijlAgen in Dutch.
> But when the shortcut key is not found, no chars are underscored:
> there is no 'V' in 'Anzeigen'
>
>
>
>
> dirk
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Florian Holeczek
> <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
>> Thanks Dirk! Now I've found out that it's Alt+Shift+<key> in both
>> Firefox 2 and IE7. I guess this was the only combination I had
>> forgotten :-)
>>
>> Is there any rule on how to do internationalization regarding access
>> keys? The problem is, for example, 'View' has the access key 'v',
>> but
>> in german it's 'Anzeigen'.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Florian
>>
>> Ursprüngliche Nachricht vom 31.03.2008 um 21:02:
>>> Florian,
>>
>>> Works fine on OS-X. (use Ctrl+<key>)
>>
>>> On Windows you should use Alt+<key> which seems to work ok on IE6 ,
>>> but with the restriction that you need to use the keyboard
>>> shortcut to
>>> select the link or button, then press enter to execute.
>>> But I had issues with FF on Win too. Alt+<something> leads you to
>>> predefined FF keys.
>>
>>
>>
>>> dirk
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Florian Holeczek
>>> <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
>>>>>> * There's a question "Can some scripting be used in wiki
>>>>>> pages? Which
>>>>>> language is used?", which is at the moment answered with "TCL
>>>>>> plugin, JavaScript". Is this still correct and exhaustive?
>>>>
>>>>> You need plugins for scripting.
>>>>> As far as I know, there is also a Groovy plugin available.
>>>>
>>>> Right, I've found this one in the meantime.
>>>>
>>>>>> * Are main actions of the wiki available via keyboard shortcuts?
>>>>>> I think yes, because it's documented on
>>>>>> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiKeyboardShortcuts
>>>>>> but I've never found out how it works... IS it working?
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, this is working. Both on OS-X as WIN platforms.
>>>>> The help-texts indicate the shortcut key in square brackets,
>>>>> the TABS
>>>>> have the shortcut key underscored.
>>>>
>>>> I'm using Firefox 2 and Windows XP SP2 with IE7. In both browsers
>>>> I've tried several combinations of Alt, Ctrl and the Windows
>>>> key, but
>>>> no success.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Florian
>>>>
>>
Re: access keys and i18n, was: Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Dirk Frederickx <di...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
> > But when the shortcut key is not found, no chars are underscored:
> > there is no 'V' in 'Anzeigen'
>
> And what to do then? Do we translate to "Anzeigen (_v_)" then or just
> leave the access key away?
Yes, no special handling.
Re: access keys and i18n, was: Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>.
> But when the shortcut key is not found, no chars are underscored:
> there is no 'V' in 'Anzeigen'
And what to do then? Do we translate to "Anzeigen (_v_)" then or just
leave the access key away?
Florian
Re: access keys and i18n, was: Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Dirk Frederickx <di...@gmail.com>.
Shortcut-keys are not i18n, but hard-coded into the JSPs.
Eg on OS-X, changing the language, does not change the short-cut keys.
As the 'underscore' in the TAB, which indicates the shortcut key, is
calculated at runtime, the A of Attachment is also underscored in
BijlAgen in Dutch.
But when the shortcut key is not found, no chars are underscored:
there is no 'V' in 'Anzeigen'
dirk
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
> Thanks Dirk! Now I've found out that it's Alt+Shift+<key> in both
> Firefox 2 and IE7. I guess this was the only combination I had
> forgotten :-)
>
> Is there any rule on how to do internationalization regarding access
> keys? The problem is, for example, 'View' has the access key 'v', but
> in german it's 'Anzeigen'.
>
> Regards,
> Florian
>
> Ursprüngliche Nachricht vom 31.03.2008 um 21:02:
> > Florian,
>
> > Works fine on OS-X. (use Ctrl+<key>)
>
> > On Windows you should use Alt+<key> which seems to work ok on IE6 ,
> > but with the restriction that you need to use the keyboard shortcut to
> > select the link or button, then press enter to execute.
> > But I had issues with FF on Win too. Alt+<something> leads you to
> > predefined FF keys.
>
>
>
> > dirk
>
> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
> >> >> * There's a question "Can some scripting be used in wiki pages? Which
> >> >> language is used?", which is at the moment answered with "TCL
> >> >> plugin, JavaScript". Is this still correct and exhaustive?
> >>
> >> > You need plugins for scripting.
> >> > As far as I know, there is also a Groovy plugin available.
> >>
> >> Right, I've found this one in the meantime.
> >>
> >> >> * Are main actions of the wiki available via keyboard shortcuts?
> >> >> I think yes, because it's documented on
> >> >> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiKeyboardShortcuts
> >> >> but I've never found out how it works... IS it working?
> >>
> >> > Yes, this is working. Both on OS-X as WIN platforms.
> >> > The help-texts indicate the shortcut key in square brackets, the TABS
> >> > have the shortcut key underscored.
> >>
> >> I'm using Firefox 2 and Windows XP SP2 with IE7. In both browsers
> >> I've tried several combinations of Alt, Ctrl and the Windows key, but
> >> no success.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Florian
> >>
>
access keys and i18n, was: Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>.
Thanks Dirk! Now I've found out that it's Alt+Shift+<key> in both
Firefox 2 and IE7. I guess this was the only combination I had
forgotten :-)
Is there any rule on how to do internationalization regarding access
keys? The problem is, for example, 'View' has the access key 'v', but
in german it's 'Anzeigen'.
Regards,
Florian
Ursprüngliche Nachricht vom 31.03.2008 um 21:02:
> Florian,
> Works fine on OS-X. (use Ctrl+<key>)
> On Windows you should use Alt+<key> which seems to work ok on IE6 ,
> but with the restriction that you need to use the keyboard shortcut to
> select the link or button, then press enter to execute.
> But I had issues with FF on Win too. Alt+<something> leads you to
> predefined FF keys.
> dirk
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
>> >> * There's a question "Can some scripting be used in wiki pages? Which
>> >> language is used?", which is at the moment answered with "TCL
>> >> plugin, JavaScript". Is this still correct and exhaustive?
>>
>> > You need plugins for scripting.
>> > As far as I know, there is also a Groovy plugin available.
>>
>> Right, I've found this one in the meantime.
>>
>> >> * Are main actions of the wiki available via keyboard shortcuts?
>> >> I think yes, because it's documented on
>> >> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiKeyboardShortcuts
>> >> but I've never found out how it works... IS it working?
>>
>> > Yes, this is working. Both on OS-X as WIN platforms.
>> > The help-texts indicate the shortcut key in square brackets, the TABS
>> > have the shortcut key underscored.
>>
>> I'm using Firefox 2 and Windows XP SP2 with IE7. In both browsers
>> I've tried several combinations of Alt, Ctrl and the Windows key, but
>> no success.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Florian
>>
Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Dirk Frederickx <di...@gmail.com>.
Florian,
Works fine on OS-X. (use Ctrl+<key>)
On Windows you should use Alt+<key> which seems to work ok on IE6 ,
but with the restriction that you need to use the keyboard shortcut to
select the link or button, then press enter to execute.
But I had issues with FF on Win too. Alt+<something> leads you to
predefined FF keys.
dirk
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
> >> * There's a question "Can some scripting be used in wiki pages? Which
> >> language is used?", which is at the moment answered with "TCL
> >> plugin, JavaScript". Is this still correct and exhaustive?
>
> > You need plugins for scripting.
> > As far as I know, there is also a Groovy plugin available.
>
> Right, I've found this one in the meantime.
>
> >> * Are main actions of the wiki available via keyboard shortcuts?
> >> I think yes, because it's documented on
> >> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiKeyboardShortcuts
> >> but I've never found out how it works... IS it working?
>
> > Yes, this is working. Both on OS-X as WIN platforms.
> > The help-texts indicate the shortcut key in square brackets, the TABS
> > have the shortcut key underscored.
>
> I'm using Firefox 2 and Windows XP SP2 with IE7. In both browsers
> I've tried several combinations of Alt, Ctrl and the Windows key, but
> no success.
>
> Regards,
> Florian
>
Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>.
>> * There's a question "Can some scripting be used in wiki pages? Which
>> language is used?", which is at the moment answered with "TCL
>> plugin, JavaScript". Is this still correct and exhaustive?
> You need plugins for scripting.
> As far as I know, there is also a Groovy plugin available.
Right, I've found this one in the meantime.
>> * Are main actions of the wiki available via keyboard shortcuts?
>> I think yes, because it's documented on
>> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiKeyboardShortcuts
>> but I've never found out how it works... IS it working?
> Yes, this is working. Both on OS-X as WIN platforms.
> The help-texts indicate the shortcut key in square brackets, the TABS
> have the shortcut key underscored.
I'm using Firefox 2 and Windows XP SP2 with IE7. In both browsers
I've tried several combinations of Alt, Ctrl and the Windows key, but
no success.
Regards,
Florian
Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Murray Altheim <mu...@altheim.com>.
Dirk Frederickx wrote:
>> * There's a question "Can some scripting be used in wiki pages? Which
>> language is used?", which is at the moment answered with "TCL
>> plugin, JavaScript". Is this still correct and exhaustive?
>
> You need plugins for scripting.
> As far as I know, there is also a Groovy plugin available.
Yes, I wrote and maintain a GroovyPlugin, available at
http://purl/ceryle/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=GroovyPlugin
It works fine, though I've not updated it for the latest version of
Groovy. There's even a console script, providing a scripting window
(this is provided via a Groovy script). If there's a call for an
update I can make that available (a bit busy this week though).
There is a notice on the above page that you should *never* include
scripting on a wiki exposed on the Web, as that would be a security
risk. Really bad idea. Via the plugin you can get direct access to
the JSPWiki WikiEngine.
Murray
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Re: some questions on JSPWiki
Posted by Dirk Frederickx <di...@gmail.com>.
> * There's a question "Can some scripting be used in wiki pages? Which
> language is used?", which is at the moment answered with "TCL
> plugin, JavaScript". Is this still correct and exhaustive?
You need plugins for scripting.
As far as I know, there is also a Groovy plugin available.
> * Are main actions of the wiki available via keyboard shortcuts?
> I think yes, because it's documented on
> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiKeyboardShortcuts
> but I've never found out how it works... IS it working?
Yes, this is working. Both on OS-X as WIN platforms.
The help-texts indicate the shortcut key in square brackets, the TABS
have the shortcut key underscored.