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Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi All,

I installed Subversion on Linux and created a new repository for every
project. I used symbolic links in Linux to centralise the hooks and conf
directories.

Is there an equivalent in windows if not what is the alternative or work
around to implement a single repository per project with centralised
hooks and conf directories.

Thanks
Lakshman



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RE: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Posted by Fredrik Arenhag <fr...@musicbrigade.com>.
Maybe the NTFS-Junction tool would be of interest to you?
Available for free at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/FileAndDisk/Junction.mspx

Kind regards,
Fredrik Arenhag

-----Original Message-----
From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.au] 
Sent: den 11 juli 2007 09:29
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

 Hi Roy,

Thanks for your feed back, unfortunately a bat file with a link (lnk) hangs if any output is printed on the console, including "echo off".
It appears a directory link is only recognised by windows explorer. It is treated as a file in a command window.

Am I  the only one attempting this type of implementation on windows ? :(

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Lakshman

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From: Dong Jiwei [mailto:dongjiwei@keithley.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 3:29 PM
To: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman; users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi,

	About the Hooks, I think you can create a bat file to point to the centralized hooks in each repo's hooks directory.
	About the conf directory, I've no idea. Hope someone else can get something good.

Regards,

Roy Dong

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From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.
au]
Sent: 2007年7月11日 13:11
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi All,

I installed Subversion on Linux and created a new repository for every project. I used symbolic links in Linux to centralise the hooks and conf directories.

Is there an equivalent in windows if not what is the alternative or work around to implement a single repository per project with centralised hooks and conf directories.

Thanks
Lakshman



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Re: Re: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Posted by Arnauld Van Muysewinkel <ar...@gmail.com>.
2007/7/11, Fredrik Arenhag <fr...@musicbrigade.com>:
> > I don't think Roy was suggesting you use symbolic links at all - they don't really exist in Windows.
>
> I guess that's true considering what's offered as included tools with the operating system, however the filesystem itself seems to offer such capability and a tool which exposes the capability is the NTFS-Junction tool which was first produced by Mark Russinovich and published on www.sysinternals.com (a company which since has been bought by Microsoft).
>
> The current point of publication is http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/FileAndDisk/Junction.mspx

Indeed Junctions are the NTFS equivalent of directories symbolic
links. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point ]
You can also considering creating hard links for each individual file
(cf. the command "fsutil hardlink create") [
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/fsutil_hardlink.mspx?mfr=true
]

The "Link Shell Extension" is a very useful tool to create these kinds
of links without the hassle of command line: [
http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/hardlinkshellext.html ]

Also note that Windows Vista *do* support symbolic links. [
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link ] (And they are also
supported by the above mentioned explorer extension.)


Yours faithfully,

-- 
Ir. Arnauld Van Muysewinkel

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RE: Re: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Posted by Fredrik Arenhag <fr...@musicbrigade.com>.
> I don't think Roy was suggesting you use symbolic links at all - they don't really exist in Windows.

I guess that's true considering what's offered as included tools with the operating system, however the filesystem itself seems to offer such capability and a tool which exposes the capability is the NTFS-Junction tool which was first produced by Mark Russinovich and published on www.sysinternals.com (a company which since has been bought by Microsoft).

The current point of publication is http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/FileAndDisk/Junction.mspx

Kind regards,
Fredrik Arenhag

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From: Jeremy Pereira [mailto:jeremyp@jeremyp.net] 
Sent: den 11 juli 2007 11:14
To: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman
Cc: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: Re: Subversion on windows using symbolic links


On 11 Jul 2007, at 08:29, Srilakshmanan, Lakshman wrote:

>  Hi Roy,
>
> Thanks for your feed back, unfortunately a bat file with a link
> (lnk) hangs if any output is printed on the console, including "echo 
> off".
> It appears a directory link is only recognised by windows explorer.  
> It is treated as a file in a command window.

I don't think Roy was suggesting you use symbolic links at all - they don't really exist in Windows.  He was suggesting that you create a set of hook scripts that do nothing except call a centralised hook script that does the real work e.g.

@echo off
c:\centralisedhookdir\real_precommit_hook.bat %1% ....

Another possibility is putting your hooks directory and your conf directory under version control and exporting them into each repository.  You may even be able to check them out into each repository although the svn server might get confused by the .svn directories.

EDIT:

I tried putting the conf directory of a throwaway repository into its own repository and it seems the .svn directory doesn't upset things - at least using the file:/// protocol.

>
> Am I  the only one attempting this type of implementation on windows ? 
> :(
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Lakshman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dong Jiwei [mailto:dongjiwei@keithley.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 3:29 PM
> To: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman; users@subversion.tigris.org
> Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links
>
> Hi,
>
> 	About the Hooks, I think you can create a bat file to point to the 
> centralized hooks in each repo's hooks directory.
> 	About the conf directory, I've no idea. Hope someone else can get 
> something good.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy Dong
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman
> [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.
> au]
> Sent: 2007年7月11日 13:11
> To: users@subversion.tigris.org
> Subject: Subversion on windows using symbolic links
>
> Hi All,
>
> I installed Subversion on Linux and created a new repository for every 
> project. I used symbolic links in Linux to centralise the hooks and 
> conf directories.
>
> Is there an equivalent in windows if not what is the alternative or 
> work around to implement a single repository per project with 
> centralised hooks and conf directories.
>
> Thanks
> Lakshman
>
>
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RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Posted by Shawn Talbert <st...@exploreconsulting.com>.
You may try creating hard links in windows using fsutil.exe assuming you're using NTFS.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Pereira [mailto:jeremyp@jeremyp.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:14 AM
To: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman
Cc: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: Re: Subversion on windows using symbolic links


On 11 Jul 2007, at 08:29, Srilakshmanan, Lakshman wrote:

>  Hi Roy,
>
> Thanks for your feed back, unfortunately a bat file with a link  
> (lnk) hangs if any output is printed on the console, including  
> "echo off".
> It appears a directory link is only recognised by windows explorer.  
> It is treated as a file in a command window.

I don't think Roy was suggesting you use symbolic links at all - they  
don't really exist in Windows.  He was suggesting that you create a  
set of hook scripts that do nothing except call a centralised hook  
script that does the real work e.g.

@echo off
c:\centralisedhookdir\real_precommit_hook.bat %1% ....

Another possibility is putting your hooks directory and your conf  
directory under version control and exporting them into each  
repository.  You may even be able to check them out into each  
repository although the svn server might get confused by the .svn  
directories.

EDIT:

I tried putting the conf directory of a throwaway repository into its  
own repository and it seems the .svn directory doesn't upset things -  
at least using the file:/// protocol.

>
> Am I  the only one attempting this type of implementation on  
> windows ? :(
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Lakshman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dong Jiwei [mailto:dongjiwei@keithley.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 3:29 PM
> To: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman; users@subversion.tigris.org
> Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links
>
> Hi,
>
> 	About the Hooks, I think you can create a bat file to point to the  
> centralized hooks in each repo's hooks directory.
> 	About the conf directory, I've no idea. Hope someone else can get  
> something good.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy Dong
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman  
> [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.
> au]
> Sent: 2007年7月11日 13:11
> To: users@subversion.tigris.org
> Subject: Subversion on windows using symbolic links
>
> Hi All,
>
> I installed Subversion on Linux and created a new repository for  
> every project. I used symbolic links in Linux to centralise the  
> hooks and conf directories.
>
> Is there an equivalent in windows if not what is the alternative or  
> work around to implement a single repository per project with  
> centralised hooks and conf directories.
>
> Thanks
> Lakshman
>
>
>
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Re: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Posted by Jeremy Pereira <je...@jeremyp.net>.
On 11 Jul 2007, at 08:29, Srilakshmanan, Lakshman wrote:

>  Hi Roy,
>
> Thanks for your feed back, unfortunately a bat file with a link  
> (lnk) hangs if any output is printed on the console, including  
> "echo off".
> It appears a directory link is only recognised by windows explorer.  
> It is treated as a file in a command window.

I don't think Roy was suggesting you use symbolic links at all - they  
don't really exist in Windows.  He was suggesting that you create a  
set of hook scripts that do nothing except call a centralised hook  
script that does the real work e.g.

@echo off
c:\centralisedhookdir\real_precommit_hook.bat %1% ....

Another possibility is putting your hooks directory and your conf  
directory under version control and exporting them into each  
repository.  You may even be able to check them out into each  
repository although the svn server might get confused by the .svn  
directories.

EDIT:

I tried putting the conf directory of a throwaway repository into its  
own repository and it seems the .svn directory doesn't upset things -  
at least using the file:/// protocol.

>
> Am I  the only one attempting this type of implementation on  
> windows ? :(
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Lakshman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dong Jiwei [mailto:dongjiwei@keithley.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 3:29 PM
> To: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman; users@subversion.tigris.org
> Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links
>
> Hi,
>
> 	About the Hooks, I think you can create a bat file to point to the  
> centralized hooks in each repo's hooks directory.
> 	About the conf directory, I've no idea. Hope someone else can get  
> something good.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy Dong
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman  
> [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.
> au]
> Sent: 2007年7月11日 13:11
> To: users@subversion.tigris.org
> Subject: Subversion on windows using symbolic links
>
> Hi All,
>
> I installed Subversion on Linux and created a new repository for  
> every project. I used symbolic links in Linux to centralise the  
> hooks and conf directories.
>
> Is there an equivalent in windows if not what is the alternative or  
> work around to implement a single repository per project with  
> centralised hooks and conf directories.
>
> Thanks
> Lakshman
>
>
>
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RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Posted by "Srilakshmanan, Lakshman" <la...@police.vic.gov.au>.
Hi Mike,

What do you think about the following steps ?

1. Leave hooks and conf directories for each project as they are.

2. In the hooks/pre-commit.bat, in each project repositories, include an absolute reference to a perl script (/repos/hooks/per-commit.pl) in a centralised location.

3. In the conf/svnserve.conf,in each project repositories, include an absolute reference to a centralised passwdb file password-db = /repos/conf/passwdb

The above approach, as I view it, will provide me the flexibility to have a single repository per project and at the same time minimise my administration work as I have only a single version of the password database and hooks.

I am reluctant to install the "NTFS Junction point" as I don't think any one is using it with Subversion. The above approach on the other hand fits neatly into the existing windows framework.

Thanks
Lakshman
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Newsome [mailto:Mike.Newsome@hitekp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 7:13 PM
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: RE: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi Lakshman

You can prevent the 'echo off' from being echoed by prefixing it with an '@' so making '@echo off' your first line of the bat file.

I am considering these matters at the moment for the same reason as you!

Regards

Mike Newsome

-----Original Message-----
From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.au]
Sent: 11 July 2007 08:29
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

 Hi Roy,

Thanks for your feed back, unfortunately a bat file with a link (lnk) hangs if any output is printed on the console, including "echo off".
It appears a directory link is only recognised by windows explorer. It is treated as a file in a command window.

Am I  the only one attempting this type of implementation on windows ? :(

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Lakshman

-----Original Message-----
From: Dong Jiwei [mailto:dongjiwei@keithley.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 3:29 PM
To: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman; users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi,

	About the Hooks, I think you can create a bat file to point to the centralized hooks in each repo's hooks directory.
	About the conf directory, I've no idea. Hope someone else can get something good.

Regards,

Roy Dong

-----Original Message-----
From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.
au]
Sent: 2007年7月11日 13:11
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi All,

I installed Subversion on Linux and created a new repository for every project. I used symbolic links in Linux to centralise the hooks and conf directories.

Is there an equivalent in windows if not what is the alternative or work around to implement a single repository per project with centralised hooks and conf directories.

Thanks
Lakshman



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RE: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Posted by Mike Newsome <Mi...@hitekp.com>.
Hi Lakshman

You can prevent the 'echo off' from being echoed by prefixing it with an '@' so making '@echo off' your first line of the bat file.

I am considering these matters at the moment for the same reason as you!

Regards

Mike Newsome

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From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.au] 
Sent: 11 July 2007 08:29
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

 Hi Roy,

Thanks for your feed back, unfortunately a bat file with a link (lnk) hangs if any output is printed on the console, including "echo off".
It appears a directory link is only recognised by windows explorer. It is treated as a file in a command window.

Am I  the only one attempting this type of implementation on windows ? :(

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Lakshman

-----Original Message-----
From: Dong Jiwei [mailto:dongjiwei@keithley.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 3:29 PM
To: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman; users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi,

	About the Hooks, I think you can create a bat file to point to the centralized hooks in each repo's hooks directory.
	About the conf directory, I've no idea. Hope someone else can get something good.

Regards,

Roy Dong

-----Original Message-----
From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.
au]
Sent: 2007年7月11日 13:11
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi All,

I installed Subversion on Linux and created a new repository for every project. I used symbolic links in Linux to centralise the hooks and conf directories.

Is there an equivalent in windows if not what is the alternative or work around to implement a single repository per project with centralised hooks and conf directories.

Thanks
Lakshman



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RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Posted by "Srilakshmanan, Lakshman" <la...@police.vic.gov.au>.
 Hi Roy,

Thanks for your feed back, unfortunately a bat file with a link (lnk) hangs if any output is printed on the console, including "echo off".
It appears a directory link is only recognised by windows explorer. It is treated as a file in a command window.

Am I  the only one attempting this type of implementation on windows ? :(

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Lakshman

-----Original Message-----
From: Dong Jiwei [mailto:dongjiwei@keithley.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2007 3:29 PM
To: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman; users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi,

	About the Hooks, I think you can create a bat file to point to the centralized hooks in each repo's hooks directory.
	About the conf directory, I've no idea. Hope someone else can get something good.

Regards,

Roy Dong

-----Original Message-----
From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.
au]
Sent: 2007年7月11日 13:11
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi All,

I installed Subversion on Linux and created a new repository for every project. I used symbolic links in Linux to centralise the hooks and conf directories.

Is there an equivalent in windows if not what is the alternative or work around to implement a single repository per project with centralised hooks and conf directories.

Thanks
Lakshman



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RE: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Posted by Dong Jiwei <do...@keithley.com>.
Hi,

	About the Hooks, I think you can create a bat file to point to the
centralized hooks in each repo's hooks directory.
	About the conf directory, I've no idea. Hope someone else can get
something good.

Regards,

Roy Dong

-----Original Message-----
From: Srilakshmanan, Lakshman [mailto:lakshman.srilakshmanan@police.vic.gov.
au] 
Sent: 2007年7月11日 13:11
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Subject: Subversion on windows using symbolic links

Hi All,

I installed Subversion on Linux and created a new repository for every
project. I used symbolic links in Linux to centralise the hooks and conf
directories.

Is there an equivalent in windows if not what is the alternative or work
around to implement a single repository per project with centralised
hooks and conf directories.

Thanks
Lakshman



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