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Mentors heartbeat
Hi!
in my never ending quest to help boost the
graduation rate I've come across a few cases
where I had to reach out to project mentors.
Typically the initial list would be around 3
individuals, but the reply would only come
from a single one.
I believe we owe it to the projects to monitor
whether there mentors are MIA and take
corrective actions. There's not too many
promises that we IPMC makes to the podlings,
but promising a reasonable amount of
mentor attention is definitely one of them.
I'm open to suggestions of how we can start
tracking MIA mentors and what actions would
help to remedy the situation.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Guys,
So I spent some time this weekend updating my scripts. They now fully
process missing ticks as well. Here is the list they generated of mentors
from January 2012 - August 2014 that did *not* sign off on a report (note
I'm at the top, bad mentor Chris). The results are a LOT better for wiki
reports with the [ ] mentor name (id) pattern - for those old "Signed off
by
mentor:" patterns, my tool cannot sniff them (in the negative) since if
they
didn't sign off, I don't know who was supposed to. I suppose I could have
cross
reffed the mentor list for the podling at the time, but another day,
another
dollar :) Here you go, for now. To replicate:
1. git clone https://github.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
2. cd apachestuff
3. ./incubator_mentor_tally
(note you'll need to install Apache Tika into /usr/local/tika and
then alias it to "tika"):
25 mattmann
23 omalley
21 acmurthy
19 olamy
19 ddas
15 jbonofre
14 mnour
13 antelder
11 hgomez
10 mfranklin
10 gates
10 asavory
10 akarasulu
9 jim
9 cdouglas
8 tdunning
8 hashutosh
8 benh
8 asavu
7 tomwhite
7 mahadev
7 jukka
6 struberg
6 rubys
6 nslater
5 yegor
5 vanto
5 tomdz
5 sanjiva
5 radup
5 pramirez
5 ke4qqq
5 craigmcc
4 stevenn
4 srowen
4 snoopdave
4 smarru
4 rgardler
4 pauls
4 niq
4 nick
4 mpierce
4 marrs
4 kevan
4 jzb
4 enis
4 cutting
4 chipchilders
4 ahart
3 vkaggal
3 rvs
3 rbircher
3 lresende
3 jochen
3 hogstrom
3 henning
3 gstein
3 grobmeier
3 clr
2 tomaz
2 thorsten
2 mriou
2 larsh
2 jghoman
2 isabel
2 humbedooh
2 dkulp
2 carlos
2 brianm
2 berndf
2 ate
2 arvind
1 white
1 vinodkv
1 todd
1 thomas
1 nandana
1 lewismc
1 jfarrell
1 hsaputra
1 fchrist
1 dennisl
1 azeez
1 apurtell
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: <Mattmann>, Chris Mattmann <Ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:59 PM
To: "<ge...@incubator.apache.org>" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>Try out my scripts - they take on that precise philosophy and try to make
>sense of what is already there
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 25, 2014, at 3:54 PM, "Dave Fisher" <da...@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> I've been too busy to do more than lurk occasionally. Consequently I am
>>not mentoring and not shepherding lately.
>>
>> I do want to add something to this debate. PMCs write their board
>>reports to the board in whatever way they want. The Incubator is about
>>teaching PPMCs how to become PMCs. We can make it easy for our purposes,
>>but we don't need to add more tooling and process to being a Podling.
>>Doing such may serve the IPMC, but it may harm our clutch of podlings.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 11:07 AM, jan i wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24 August 2014 19:54, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
>>>> report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as
>>>>that
>>>> afforded incubator reports.
>>>>
>>>> If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they
>>>>would
>>>> not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g.
>>>>release
>>>> voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>>> I think you forget one important factor...the human one, to make the
>>>board
>>> reports in yaml, we need to convince the board, and I not convinced
>>>they
>>> have a futuristic view as you have. You might also find, just a small
>>> number of course, people who resist to using svn and want git, so we
>>>might
>>> end up with split data.
>>>
>>> But I do agree with your POW, and would like to more automated
>>>processes.
>>>
>>> rgds
>>> jan i.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>
>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Try out my scripts - they take on that precise philosophy and try to make sense of what is already there
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 25, 2014, at 3:54 PM, "Dave Fisher" <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> I've been too busy to do more than lurk occasionally. Consequently I am not mentoring and not shepherding lately.
>
> I do want to add something to this debate. PMCs write their board reports to the board in whatever way they want. The Incubator is about teaching PPMCs how to become PMCs. We can make it easy for our purposes, but we don't need to add more tooling and process to being a Podling. Doing such may serve the IPMC, but it may harm our clutch of podlings.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 11:07 AM, jan i wrote:
>>
>>> On 24 August 2014 19:54, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>>>>
>>>> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
>>> report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as that
>>> afforded incubator reports.
>>>
>>> If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they would
>>> not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g. release
>>> voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>> I think you forget one important factor...the human one, to make the board
>> reports in yaml, we need to convince the board, and I not convinced they
>> have a futuristic view as you have. You might also find, just a small
>> number of course, people who resist to using svn and want git, so we might
>> end up with split data.
>>
>> But I do agree with your POW, and would like to more automated processes.
>>
>> rgds
>> jan i.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>
>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
I've been too busy to do more than lurk occasionally. Consequently I am not mentoring and not shepherding lately.
I do want to add something to this debate. PMCs write their board reports to the board in whatever way they want. The Incubator is about teaching PPMCs how to become PMCs. We can make it easy for our purposes, but we don't need to add more tooling and process to being a Podling. Doing such may serve the IPMC, but it may harm our clutch of podlings.
Regards,
Dave
On Aug 24, 2014, at 11:07 AM, jan i wrote:
> On 24 August 2014 19:54, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>>>
>>> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
>> report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as that
>> afforded incubator reports.
>>
>> If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they would
>> not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g. release
>> voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>>
> I think you forget one important factor...the human one, to make the board
> reports in yaml, we need to convince the board, and I not convinced they
> have a futuristic view as you have. You might also find, just a small
> number of course, people who resist to using svn and want git, so we might
> end up with split data.
>
> But I do agree with your POW, and would like to more automated processes.
>
> rgds
> jan i.
>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 2:07 PM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 24 August 2014 19:54, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>> >
>> > What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
>> report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as that
>> afforded incubator reports.
>>
>> If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they would
>> not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g. release
>> voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>>
> I think you forget one important factor...the human one, to make the board
> reports in yaml, we need to convince the board, and I not convinced they
> have a futuristic view as you have. You might also find, just a small
> number of course, people who resist to using svn and want git, so we might
> end up with split data.
It's not a problem. We turn yaml into prose with a template! The board
will never know ... actually, really, I think that the board will be
fine with some information in yaml.
>
> But I do agree with your POW, and would like to more automated processes.
>
> rgds
> jan i.
>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 24 August 2014 19:54, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
> >
> > What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
> report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as that
> afforded incubator reports.
>
> If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they would
> not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g. release
> voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>
I think you forget one important factor...the human one, to make the board
reports in yaml, we need to convince the board, and I not convinced they
have a futuristic view as you have. You might also find, just a small
number of course, people who resist to using svn and want git, so we might
end up with split data.
But I do agree with your POW, and would like to more automated processes.
rgds
jan i.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Sure Tim I can do that one sec I'll make it an option
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 4, 2014, at 7:48 AM, "Tim Williams" <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Seriously, give me a break.
>>
>> This has been discussed ad naseum - It's a quick simple measure
>> to see if one of the stated requirements for mentors (reading the
>> monthly report, and *signing that you read it*) has been fulfilled.
>
> The initial query was about finding MIA mentors - I reckon changing
> the mentor_tick_pattern to look for unsigned reports would help with
> that?
>
> --tim
>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Seriously, give me a break.
>
> This has been discussed ad naseum - It's a quick simple measure
> to see if one of the stated requirements for mentors (reading the
> monthly report, and *signing that you read it*) has been fulfilled.
The initial query was about finding MIA mentors - I reckon changing
the mentor_tick_pattern to look for unsigned reports would help with
that?
--tim
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
I said *this* measure was bad, yes. I also explicitly said that I limit my
comments to *this* specific example tooling - I don't see value in counting
"ticks" on a piece of virtual paper over a period of three years. I care
about who is doing a great job today.
Tim suggests a good way to stop this being metric based and more tool based
(i.e. finding mentors who are MIA and thus finding projects that don't have
sufficient coverage). That being said, since the IPMC review the reports
I'm not sure why this is even needed. But I don't see harm in doing it this
way so I'll leave it right there.
Ross
On 4 September 2014 07:31, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Seriously, give me a break.
>
> This has been discussed ad naseum - It's a quick simple measure
> to see if one of the stated requirements for mentors (reading the
> monthly report, and *signing that you read it*) has been fulfilled.
> It means nothing more than that. I didn't say good. I didn't say bad.
> You did.
>
> Statistics are simply that - statistics. Meaning is derived from them
> in multiple ways. You showing up on this list simply means at one point
> over the past 3-4 years, you thought that putting your name on one of
> those wiki pages was important enough to do so, 14 times.
>
> Anyone that would like to let their coding/scripting do the talking,
> I invite you to.
>
> Until then, feel free to send more email messages debating this message
> and the follow on reply that I won't be sending, and any further messages
> to yourself and others after that.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "rgardler@opendirective.com" <rg...@opendirective.com>
> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:05 AM
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: Mentors heartbeat
>
> >Surely we are not going to start counting signing off on a report as
> >indicative of good/bad mentoring?
> >
> >What's important is whether podlings are getting what they need from
> >their mentors. Besides, someone who has actively mentored one new
> >podling through initial setup in a first month will have one "tick" while
> >someone else who has done little more than sign off on reports for the
> >years will have many "ticks".
> >
> >Case in point, I've not actively mentored a project for at least a couple
> >of years (I just signed up to one this month), yet according to this
> >measure I am one of the more active mentors.
> >
> >Lets not demean the work good new mentors are doing by counting a few
> >characters on a wiki page.
> >
> >Note, I'm not saying rolling to assist the incubator and mentors is a bad
> >thing. I'm saying this specific example is a bad thing.
> >
> >Sent from my Windows Phone
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>
> >Sent: ?9/?3/?2014 10:25 PM
> >To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> >Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
> >
> >These are the "signed off" per month mentors per podling over
> >the last 3 years. So it measures how many times a mentor has
> >signed off (summed across all podlings) during that time span.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Chris
> >
> >
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >Chief Architect
> >Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> >Reply-To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> >Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 10:11 PM
> >To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> >Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
> >
> >>Arguably, the number of mentored project doesn't reflect "the activity"
> >>per
> >>se. Unless I am missing something.
> >>
> >>Cos
> >>
> >>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 04:46AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
> >>> Guys, +1 to eventually doing this with JSON and YAML. The big problem
> >>> I see is curation (someone has to maintain it). Right now board reports
> >>> and the wiki are what's used to make the report, so feel free to use my
> >>> scripts for now until those are changed over. For example, I just ran
> >>>them
> >>> right now (with some major pythonic updates to sniff mentors, and to
> >>> map name to committer ID, and updating years and months to current and
> >>> here's what I get):
> >>>
> >>> 29 phunt
> >>> 24 tomwhite
> >>> 24 rvs
> >>> 24 mattmann
> >>> 23 cdouglas
> >>> 20 hsaputra
> >>> 18 bdelacretaz
> >>> 18 arvind
> >>> 16 adc
> >>> 14 smarru
> >>> 14 rgardler
> >>> 14 olamy
> >>> 14 gates
> >>> 13 jfarrell
> >>> 12 kevan
> >>> 11 tdunning
> >>> 11 jim
> >>> 11 grobmeier
> >>> 11 ddas
> >>> 10 omalley
> >>> 9 mfranklin
> >>> 8 wave
> >>> 8 lresende
> >>> 8 jbonofre
> >>> 8 ate
> >>> 7 twilliams
> >>> 7 rfrovarp
> >>> 7 ke4qqq
> >>> 7 jukka
> >>> 6 jzb
> >>> 6 acmurthy
> >>> 5 struberg
> >>> 5 nslater
> >>> 5 marrs
> >>> 5 lewismc
> >>> 5 greddin
> >>> 5 bodewig
> >>> 4 thorsten
> >>> 4 mahadev
> >>> 4 joes
> >>> 4 jghoman
> >>> 4 gsingers
> >>> 4 fmui
> >>> 3 upayavira
> >>> 3 tommaso
> >>> 3 stevenn
> >>> 3 ssc
> >>> 3 snoopdave
> >>> 3 nick
> >>> 3 marvin
> >>> 3 hwright
> >>> 3 gstein
> >>> 3 gianugo
> >>> 3 chipchilders
> >>> 3 benh
> >>> 3 apurtell
> >>> 2 todd
> >>> 2 larsh
> >>> 2 jochen
> >>> 2 jmclean
> >>> 2 dkulp
> >>> 2 dennisl
> >>> 2 dashorst
> >>> 2 cutting
> >>> 2 antelder
> >>> 1 yegor
> >>> 1 wrowe
> >>> 1 wavw
> >>> 1 stack
> >>> 1 simonetripodi
> >>> 1 robweir
> >>> 1 rmannibucau
> >>> 1 rfeng
> >>> 1 rbircher
> >>> 1 nandana
> >>> 1 mnour
> >>> 1 jvermillard
> >>> 1 fchrist
> >>> 1 enis
> >>> 1 elecharny
> >>> 1 cos
> >>> 1 coheigea
> >>> 1 brett
> >>> 1 bmargulies
> >>> 1 berndf
> >>> 1 asavory
> >>> 1 ant
> >>> 1 akarasulu
> >>> 1 ahart
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>> Chief Architect
> >>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
> >>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >>> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:54 AM
> >>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
> >>> >wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
> >>> >>report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as
> >>>that
> >>> >>afforded incubator reports.
> >>> >
> >>> >If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they
> >>> >would not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g.
> >>> >release voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Regards,
> >>> >Alan
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
Seriously, give me a break.
This has been discussed ad naseum - It's a quick simple measure
to see if one of the stated requirements for mentors (reading the
monthly report, and *signing that you read it*) has been fulfilled.
It means nothing more than that. I didn't say good. I didn't say bad.
You did.
Statistics are simply that - statistics. Meaning is derived from them
in multiple ways. You showing up on this list simply means at one point
over the past 3-4 years, you thought that putting your name on one of
those wiki pages was important enough to do so, 14 times.
Anyone that would like to let their coding/scripting do the talking,
I invite you to.
Until then, feel free to send more email messages debating this message
and the follow on reply that I won't be sending, and any further messages
to yourself and others after that.
-----Original Message-----
From: "rgardler@opendirective.com" <rg...@opendirective.com>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:05 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Mentors heartbeat
>Surely we are not going to start counting signing off on a report as
>indicative of good/bad mentoring?
>
>What's important is whether podlings are getting what they need from
>their mentors. Besides, someone who has actively mentored one new
>podling through initial setup in a first month will have one "tick" while
>someone else who has done little more than sign off on reports for the
>years will have many "ticks".
>
>Case in point, I've not actively mentored a project for at least a couple
>of years (I just signed up to one this month), yet according to this
>measure I am one of the more active mentors.
>
>Lets not demean the work good new mentors are doing by counting a few
>characters on a wiki page.
>
>Note, I'm not saying rolling to assist the incubator and mentors is a bad
>thing. I'm saying this specific example is a bad thing.
>
>Sent from my Windows Phone
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>
>Sent: ?9/?3/?2014 10:25 PM
>To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>
>These are the "signed off" per month mentors per podling over
>the last 3 years. So it measures how many times a mentor has
>signed off (summed across all podlings) during that time span.
>
>Cheers,
>Chris
>
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>Chief Architect
>Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
>Reply-To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 10:11 PM
>To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>
>>Arguably, the number of mentored project doesn't reflect "the activity"
>>per
>>se. Unless I am missing something.
>>
>>Cos
>>
>>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 04:46AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>>> Guys, +1 to eventually doing this with JSON and YAML. The big problem
>>> I see is curation (someone has to maintain it). Right now board reports
>>> and the wiki are what's used to make the report, so feel free to use my
>>> scripts for now until those are changed over. For example, I just ran
>>>them
>>> right now (with some major pythonic updates to sniff mentors, and to
>>> map name to committer ID, and updating years and months to current and
>>> here's what I get):
>>>
>>> 29 phunt
>>> 24 tomwhite
>>> 24 rvs
>>> 24 mattmann
>>> 23 cdouglas
>>> 20 hsaputra
>>> 18 bdelacretaz
>>> 18 arvind
>>> 16 adc
>>> 14 smarru
>>> 14 rgardler
>>> 14 olamy
>>> 14 gates
>>> 13 jfarrell
>>> 12 kevan
>>> 11 tdunning
>>> 11 jim
>>> 11 grobmeier
>>> 11 ddas
>>> 10 omalley
>>> 9 mfranklin
>>> 8 wave
>>> 8 lresende
>>> 8 jbonofre
>>> 8 ate
>>> 7 twilliams
>>> 7 rfrovarp
>>> 7 ke4qqq
>>> 7 jukka
>>> 6 jzb
>>> 6 acmurthy
>>> 5 struberg
>>> 5 nslater
>>> 5 marrs
>>> 5 lewismc
>>> 5 greddin
>>> 5 bodewig
>>> 4 thorsten
>>> 4 mahadev
>>> 4 joes
>>> 4 jghoman
>>> 4 gsingers
>>> 4 fmui
>>> 3 upayavira
>>> 3 tommaso
>>> 3 stevenn
>>> 3 ssc
>>> 3 snoopdave
>>> 3 nick
>>> 3 marvin
>>> 3 hwright
>>> 3 gstein
>>> 3 gianugo
>>> 3 chipchilders
>>> 3 benh
>>> 3 apurtell
>>> 2 todd
>>> 2 larsh
>>> 2 jochen
>>> 2 jmclean
>>> 2 dkulp
>>> 2 dennisl
>>> 2 dashorst
>>> 2 cutting
>>> 2 antelder
>>> 1 yegor
>>> 1 wrowe
>>> 1 wavw
>>> 1 stack
>>> 1 simonetripodi
>>> 1 robweir
>>> 1 rmannibucau
>>> 1 rfeng
>>> 1 rbircher
>>> 1 nandana
>>> 1 mnour
>>> 1 jvermillard
>>> 1 fchrist
>>> 1 enis
>>> 1 elecharny
>>> 1 cos
>>> 1 coheigea
>>> 1 brett
>>> 1 bmargulies
>>> 1 berndf
>>> 1 asavory
>>> 1 ant
>>> 1 akarasulu
>>> 1 ahart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Chief Architect
>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:54 AM
>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>>>
>>> >
>>> >On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>>> >>
>>> >> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
>>> >>report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as
>>>that
>>> >>afforded incubator reports.
>>> >
>>> >If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they
>>> >would not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g.
>>> >release voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Regards,
>>> >Alan
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM, <rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> Surely we are not going to start counting signing off on a report as indicative of good/bad mentoring?
Not. But what I'm going to start with is this: reflect
on the Incubator Wiki is the statistics on poddlings
who receive NO mentor sign-off at all.
IOW, if at least one mentor sings -- that's fine.
If none do -- we will start tracking it and will
get to the bottom of it if needed.
Basically, this is only meant to help podlings
who consistently don't get any attention from
*any* of their mentors. Not even from a single
one of them.
We owe it to our podlings. Plain and simple.
This is my job to do everything I can to empower them.
And yes that includes calling out bad mentorship
practices.
Now, as Chris M. pointed out -- his tools provide
a nice complimentary statistics that you're free
to use (or ignore). I, personally, will use them.
But only as a tool to help me better understand
past behavior, not as a hard policy for making
decisions.
Hope this makes things clear
Thanks,
Roman (wearing his VP of Incubator hat)
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RE: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by rg...@opendirective.com.
Surely we are not going to start counting signing off on a report as indicative of good/bad mentoring?
What's important is whether podlings are getting what they need from their mentors. Besides, someone who has actively mentored one new podling through initial setup in a first month will have one "tick" while someone else who has done little more than sign off on reports for the years will have many "ticks".
Case in point, I've not actively mentored a project for at least a couple of years (I just signed up to one this month), yet according to this measure I am one of the more active mentors.
Lets not demean the work good new mentors are doing by counting a few characters on a wiki page.
Note, I'm not saying rolling to assist the incubator and mentors is a bad thing. I'm saying this specific example is a bad thing.
Sent from my Windows Phone
-----Original Message-----
From: "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: 9/3/2014 10:25 PM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
These are the "signed off" per month mentors per podling over
the last 3 years. So it measures how many times a mentor has
signed off (summed across all podlings) during that time span.
Cheers,
Chris
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
Reply-To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 10:11 PM
To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>Arguably, the number of mentored project doesn't reflect "the activity"
>per
>se. Unless I am missing something.
>
>Cos
>
>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 04:46AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>> Guys, +1 to eventually doing this with JSON and YAML. The big problem
>> I see is curation (someone has to maintain it). Right now board reports
>> and the wiki are what's used to make the report, so feel free to use my
>> scripts for now until those are changed over. For example, I just ran
>>them
>> right now (with some major pythonic updates to sniff mentors, and to
>> map name to committer ID, and updating years and months to current and
>> here's what I get):
>>
>> 29 phunt
>> 24 tomwhite
>> 24 rvs
>> 24 mattmann
>> 23 cdouglas
>> 20 hsaputra
>> 18 bdelacretaz
>> 18 arvind
>> 16 adc
>> 14 smarru
>> 14 rgardler
>> 14 olamy
>> 14 gates
>> 13 jfarrell
>> 12 kevan
>> 11 tdunning
>> 11 jim
>> 11 grobmeier
>> 11 ddas
>> 10 omalley
>> 9 mfranklin
>> 8 wave
>> 8 lresende
>> 8 jbonofre
>> 8 ate
>> 7 twilliams
>> 7 rfrovarp
>> 7 ke4qqq
>> 7 jukka
>> 6 jzb
>> 6 acmurthy
>> 5 struberg
>> 5 nslater
>> 5 marrs
>> 5 lewismc
>> 5 greddin
>> 5 bodewig
>> 4 thorsten
>> 4 mahadev
>> 4 joes
>> 4 jghoman
>> 4 gsingers
>> 4 fmui
>> 3 upayavira
>> 3 tommaso
>> 3 stevenn
>> 3 ssc
>> 3 snoopdave
>> 3 nick
>> 3 marvin
>> 3 hwright
>> 3 gstein
>> 3 gianugo
>> 3 chipchilders
>> 3 benh
>> 3 apurtell
>> 2 todd
>> 2 larsh
>> 2 jochen
>> 2 jmclean
>> 2 dkulp
>> 2 dennisl
>> 2 dashorst
>> 2 cutting
>> 2 antelder
>> 1 yegor
>> 1 wrowe
>> 1 wavw
>> 1 stack
>> 1 simonetripodi
>> 1 robweir
>> 1 rmannibucau
>> 1 rfeng
>> 1 rbircher
>> 1 nandana
>> 1 mnour
>> 1 jvermillard
>> 1 fchrist
>> 1 enis
>> 1 elecharny
>> 1 cos
>> 1 coheigea
>> 1 brett
>> 1 bmargulies
>> 1 berndf
>> 1 asavory
>> 1 ant
>> 1 akarasulu
>> 1 ahart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:54 AM
>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>>
>> >
>> >On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>> >>
>> >> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
>> >>report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as
>>that
>> >>afforded incubator reports.
>> >
>> >If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they
>> >would not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g.
>> >release voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Alan
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
These are the "signed off" per month mentors per podling over
the last 3 years. So it measures how many times a mentor has
signed off (summed across all podlings) during that time span.
Cheers,
Chris
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
Reply-To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 10:11 PM
To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>Arguably, the number of mentored project doesn't reflect "the activity"
>per
>se. Unless I am missing something.
>
>Cos
>
>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 04:46AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>> Guys, +1 to eventually doing this with JSON and YAML. The big problem
>> I see is curation (someone has to maintain it). Right now board reports
>> and the wiki are what's used to make the report, so feel free to use my
>> scripts for now until those are changed over. For example, I just ran
>>them
>> right now (with some major pythonic updates to sniff mentors, and to
>> map name to committer ID, and updating years and months to current and
>> here's what I get):
>>
>> 29 phunt
>> 24 tomwhite
>> 24 rvs
>> 24 mattmann
>> 23 cdouglas
>> 20 hsaputra
>> 18 bdelacretaz
>> 18 arvind
>> 16 adc
>> 14 smarru
>> 14 rgardler
>> 14 olamy
>> 14 gates
>> 13 jfarrell
>> 12 kevan
>> 11 tdunning
>> 11 jim
>> 11 grobmeier
>> 11 ddas
>> 10 omalley
>> 9 mfranklin
>> 8 wave
>> 8 lresende
>> 8 jbonofre
>> 8 ate
>> 7 twilliams
>> 7 rfrovarp
>> 7 ke4qqq
>> 7 jukka
>> 6 jzb
>> 6 acmurthy
>> 5 struberg
>> 5 nslater
>> 5 marrs
>> 5 lewismc
>> 5 greddin
>> 5 bodewig
>> 4 thorsten
>> 4 mahadev
>> 4 joes
>> 4 jghoman
>> 4 gsingers
>> 4 fmui
>> 3 upayavira
>> 3 tommaso
>> 3 stevenn
>> 3 ssc
>> 3 snoopdave
>> 3 nick
>> 3 marvin
>> 3 hwright
>> 3 gstein
>> 3 gianugo
>> 3 chipchilders
>> 3 benh
>> 3 apurtell
>> 2 todd
>> 2 larsh
>> 2 jochen
>> 2 jmclean
>> 2 dkulp
>> 2 dennisl
>> 2 dashorst
>> 2 cutting
>> 2 antelder
>> 1 yegor
>> 1 wrowe
>> 1 wavw
>> 1 stack
>> 1 simonetripodi
>> 1 robweir
>> 1 rmannibucau
>> 1 rfeng
>> 1 rbircher
>> 1 nandana
>> 1 mnour
>> 1 jvermillard
>> 1 fchrist
>> 1 enis
>> 1 elecharny
>> 1 cos
>> 1 coheigea
>> 1 brett
>> 1 bmargulies
>> 1 berndf
>> 1 asavory
>> 1 ant
>> 1 akarasulu
>> 1 ahart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:54 AM
>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>>
>> >
>> >On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>> >>
>> >> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
>> >>report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as
>>that
>> >>afforded incubator reports.
>> >
>> >If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they
>> >would not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g.
>> >release voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Alan
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Arguably, the number of mentored project doesn't reflect "the activity" per
se. Unless I am missing something.
Cos
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 04:46AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
> Guys, +1 to eventually doing this with JSON and YAML. The big problem
> I see is curation (someone has to maintain it). Right now board reports
> and the wiki are what's used to make the report, so feel free to use my
> scripts for now until those are changed over. For example, I just ran them
> right now (with some major pythonic updates to sniff mentors, and to
> map name to committer ID, and updating years and months to current and
> here's what I get):
>
> 29 phunt
> 24 tomwhite
> 24 rvs
> 24 mattmann
> 23 cdouglas
> 20 hsaputra
> 18 bdelacretaz
> 18 arvind
> 16 adc
> 14 smarru
> 14 rgardler
> 14 olamy
> 14 gates
> 13 jfarrell
> 12 kevan
> 11 tdunning
> 11 jim
> 11 grobmeier
> 11 ddas
> 10 omalley
> 9 mfranklin
> 8 wave
> 8 lresende
> 8 jbonofre
> 8 ate
> 7 twilliams
> 7 rfrovarp
> 7 ke4qqq
> 7 jukka
> 6 jzb
> 6 acmurthy
> 5 struberg
> 5 nslater
> 5 marrs
> 5 lewismc
> 5 greddin
> 5 bodewig
> 4 thorsten
> 4 mahadev
> 4 joes
> 4 jghoman
> 4 gsingers
> 4 fmui
> 3 upayavira
> 3 tommaso
> 3 stevenn
> 3 ssc
> 3 snoopdave
> 3 nick
> 3 marvin
> 3 hwright
> 3 gstein
> 3 gianugo
> 3 chipchilders
> 3 benh
> 3 apurtell
> 2 todd
> 2 larsh
> 2 jochen
> 2 jmclean
> 2 dkulp
> 2 dennisl
> 2 dashorst
> 2 cutting
> 2 antelder
> 1 yegor
> 1 wrowe
> 1 wavw
> 1 stack
> 1 simonetripodi
> 1 robweir
> 1 rmannibucau
> 1 rfeng
> 1 rbircher
> 1 nandana
> 1 mnour
> 1 jvermillard
> 1 fchrist
> 1 enis
> 1 elecharny
> 1 cos
> 1 coheigea
> 1 brett
> 1 bmargulies
> 1 berndf
> 1 asavory
> 1 ant
> 1 akarasulu
> 1 ahart
>
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:54 AM
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>
> >
> >On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
> >>
> >> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
> >>report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as that
> >>afforded incubator reports.
> >
> >If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they
> >would not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g.
> >release voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >Alan
> >
>
>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 25 August 2014 19:26, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just want to point out that lack of activity may mean lack of issues
> that need dealing with not that a mentor gone awol.
>
> Right. And that's why technical side of things (like YAMLizing report,
> etc.) is
> a prerequisite for enabling us to track things like AWOL and react
> accordingly.
>
> On that note, how about if we *at least* start tracking mentor signing off
> on the reports? IOW, we will make it mandatory for *all* mentors (not just
> one) to read/sign off, with an assumption that if that minimum level of
> activity couldn't be detected -- there's clearly something not quite right.
>
+1
>
> We can then, start tracking missed sign off in the Mentor Activity section
> of the report. If we have somebody who hasn't showed up for a 3 straight
> month -- that's when IPMC would try to intervene.
>
hmmm "try to intervene" sound a bit hard. After 3 month, I would prefer,
mailing the mentor in question, with a reminder of the duties, and take it
from there (maybe that is what you are thinking, I just want to rule out
hard intervention).
rgds
jan i
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just want to point out that lack of activity may mean lack of issues that need dealing with not that a mentor gone awol.
Right. And that's why technical side of things (like YAMLizing report, etc.) is
a prerequisite for enabling us to track things like AWOL and react accordingly.
On that note, how about if we *at least* start tracking mentor signing off
on the reports? IOW, we will make it mandatory for *all* mentors (not just
one) to read/sign off, with an assumption that if that minimum level of
activity couldn't be detected -- there's clearly something not quite right.
We can then, start tracking missed sign off in the Mentor Activity section
of the report. If we have somebody who hasn't showed up for a 3 straight
month -- that's when IPMC would try to intervene.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Just want to point out that lack of activity may mean lack of issues that need dealing with not that a mentor gone awol.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Guys, +1 to eventually doing this with JSON and YAML. The big problem
I see is curation (someone has to maintain it). Right now board reports
and the wiki are what's used to make the report, so feel free to use my
scripts for now until those are changed over. For example, I just ran them
right now (with some major pythonic updates to sniff mentors, and to
map name to committer ID, and updating years and months to current and
here's what I get):
29 phunt
24 tomwhite
24 rvs
24 mattmann
23 cdouglas
20 hsaputra
18 bdelacretaz
18 arvind
16 adc
14 smarru
14 rgardler
14 olamy
14 gates
13 jfarrell
12 kevan
11 tdunning
11 jim
11 grobmeier
11 ddas
10 omalley
9 mfranklin
8 wave
8 lresende
8 jbonofre
8 ate
7 twilliams
7 rfrovarp
7 ke4qqq
7 jukka
6 jzb
6 acmurthy
5 struberg
5 nslater
5 marrs
5 lewismc
5 greddin
5 bodewig
4 thorsten
4 mahadev
4 joes
4 jghoman
4 gsingers
4 fmui
3 upayavira
3 tommaso
3 stevenn
3 ssc
3 snoopdave
3 nick
3 marvin
3 hwright
3 gstein
3 gianugo
3 chipchilders
3 benh
3 apurtell
2 todd
2 larsh
2 jochen
2 jmclean
2 dkulp
2 dennisl
2 dashorst
2 cutting
2 antelder
1 yegor
1 wrowe
1 wavw
1 stack
1 simonetripodi
1 robweir
1 rmannibucau
1 rfeng
1 rbircher
1 nandana
1 mnour
1 jvermillard
1 fchrist
1 enis
1 elecharny
1 cos
1 coheigea
1 brett
1 bmargulies
1 berndf
1 asavory
1 ant
1 akarasulu
1 ahart
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From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>
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Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:54 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>
>On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>>
>> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board
>>report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as that
>>afforded incubator reports.
>
>If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they
>would not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g.
>release voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>
>
>Regards,
>Alan
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>
> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as that afforded incubator reports.
If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they would not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g. release voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
Regards,
Alan
Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On Aug 24, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am a programmer and like formats like JSON, but it is true that the
>> world does not only consist of programmers, so I suggest we make 2 webpages:
>> - one page that create/modify the report and update svn with the JSON file
>> - one page where mentors can "sign" the report
>
> json === yaml, and anyone could edit yaml.
YAML works for me. If we store these reports in a known protected location in svn then people could write what ever tooling they wished to updated.
>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having the board report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as that afforded incubator reports.
Regards,
Alan
Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Everyone who has ever mentored anything is a member of this PMC,
except for those who have actually chosen to depart.
In addition, we have PMC members who specialize in things like NOTICE
files, but don't choose to mentor individual projects.
In general, there is a mentor shortage. If you have a strong mental
stomach, read archives going back a few years, and you can see some
rather, ahem, spirited debates as to whether the entire iPMC/mentor
model is hopelessly broken and should be trashed. Of late, talented
PMC chairs have managed to steer the boat away from those rocks, but
the mentor shortage is never completely gone.
>
> I am a programmer and like formats like JSON, but it is true that the
> world does not only consist of programmers, so I suggest we make 2 webpages:
> - one page that create/modify the report and update svn with the JSON file
> - one page where mentors can "sign" the report
json === yaml, and anyone could edit yaml.
>
> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>
> rgds
> jan i
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry https://github.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <
>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Check my apachestuff GitHub repo
>> >> https://guthub.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:16 PM, "Roman Shaposhnik" <rv...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi!
>> >>>
>> >>> in my never ending quest to help boost the
>> >>> graduation rate I've come across a few cases
>> >>> where I had to reach out to project mentors.
>> >>> Typically the initial list would be around 3
>> >>> individuals, but the reply would only come
>> >>> from a single one.
>> >>>
>> >>> I believe we owe it to the projects to monitor
>> >>> whether there mentors are MIA and take
>> >>> corrective actions. There's not too many
>> >>> promises that we IPMC makes to the podlings,
>> >>> but promising a reasonable amount of
>> >>> mentor attention is definitely one of them.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm open to suggestions of how we can start
>> >>> tracking MIA mentors and what actions would
>> >>> help to remedy the situation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Roman.
>> >>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 24 August 2014 02:07, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> This is pretty cool but I think it underscores the need to get off of free
> form files that need to be scraped.
>
Its very interesting, when I started looking at incubator, my initial
thought was "with that many IPMC members, there are no need for a new one".
Then I started lurking on a.o. this list, and found the amount of IPMC
members that seems active by sending mail is a fraction.
>
> I think that maybe for future reports we can have a JSON file in svn that
> people can update. We could then have our report automatically generated
> from the JSON file for the board report; which, btw, I think should also be
> a JSON file.
>
> wdyt?
>
Having the reports in svn (JSON is a god format) allows us to easy monitor
which mentors are active on which projects. How to handle the information
is another discussion !
I am a programmer and like formats like JSON, but it is true that the
world does not only consist of programmers, so I suggest we make 2 webpages:
- one page that create/modify the report and update svn with the JSON file
- one page where mentors can "sign" the report
I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
rgds
jan i
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > Sorry https://github.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>
> >> Check my apachestuff GitHub repo
> >> https://guthub.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:16 PM, "Roman Shaposhnik" <rv...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> in my never ending quest to help boost the
> >>> graduation rate I've come across a few cases
> >>> where I had to reach out to project mentors.
> >>> Typically the initial list would be around 3
> >>> individuals, but the reply would only come
> >>> from a single one.
> >>>
> >>> I believe we owe it to the projects to monitor
> >>> whether there mentors are MIA and take
> >>> corrective actions. There's not too many
> >>> promises that we IPMC makes to the podlings,
> >>> but promising a reasonable amount of
> >>> mentor attention is definitely one of them.
> >>>
> >>> I'm open to suggestions of how we can start
> >>> tracking MIA mentors and what actions would
> >>> help to remedy the situation.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Roman.
> >>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
This is pretty cool but I think it underscores the need to get off of free form files that need to be scraped.
I think that maybe for future reports we can have a JSON file in svn that people can update. We could then have our report automatically generated from the JSON file for the board report; which, btw, I think should also be a JSON file.
wdyt?
Regards,
Alan
On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Sorry https://github.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Check my apachestuff GitHub repo
>> https://guthub.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:16 PM, "Roman Shaposhnik" <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> in my never ending quest to help boost the
>>> graduation rate I've come across a few cases
>>> where I had to reach out to project mentors.
>>> Typically the initial list would be around 3
>>> individuals, but the reply would only come
>>> from a single one.
>>>
>>> I believe we owe it to the projects to monitor
>>> whether there mentors are MIA and take
>>> corrective actions. There's not too many
>>> promises that we IPMC makes to the podlings,
>>> but promising a reasonable amount of
>>> mentor attention is definitely one of them.
>>>
>>> I'm open to suggestions of how we can start
>>> tracking MIA mentors and what actions would
>>> help to remedy the situation.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.
>>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Sorry https://github.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Check my apachestuff GitHub repo
> https://guthub.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:16 PM, "Roman Shaposhnik" <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> in my never ending quest to help boost the
>> graduation rate I've come across a few cases
>> where I had to reach out to project mentors.
>> Typically the initial list would be around 3
>> individuals, but the reply would only come
>> from a single one.
>>
>> I believe we owe it to the projects to monitor
>> whether there mentors are MIA and take
>> corrective actions. There's not too many
>> promises that we IPMC makes to the podlings,
>> but promising a reasonable amount of
>> mentor attention is definitely one of them.
>>
>> I'm open to suggestions of how we can start
>> tracking MIA mentors and what actions would
>> help to remedy the situation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
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Re: Mentors heartbeat
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Check my apachestuff GitHub repo
https://guthub.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:16 PM, "Roman Shaposhnik" <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> in my never ending quest to help boost the
> graduation rate I've come across a few cases
> where I had to reach out to project mentors.
> Typically the initial list would be around 3
> individuals, but the reply would only come
> from a single one.
>
> I believe we owe it to the projects to monitor
> whether there mentors are MIA and take
> corrective actions. There's not too many
> promises that we IPMC makes to the podlings,
> but promising a reasonable amount of
> mentor attention is definitely one of them.
>
> I'm open to suggestions of how we can start
> tracking MIA mentors and what actions would
> help to remedy the situation.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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