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Posted to dev@vcl.apache.org by Mark Gardner <mk...@vt.edu> on 2012/02/24 14:29:15 UTC
Re: [jira] [Created] (VCL-543) OSX under ESXi 4.1
While I am glad to see OSX supported, I was under the impression that
it was against Apple's license. Am I out of touch?
Mark
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM, James O'Dell (Created) (JIRA)
<ji...@apache.org> wrote:
> OSX under ESXi 4.1
> ------------------
>
> Key: VCL-543
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-543
> Project: VCL
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: database, vcld (backend), web gui (frontend)
> Affects Versions: 2.2.1
> Reporter: James O'Dell
> Fix For: 2.2.1
>
>
> VCL needs OSX support. These files are my first attempt at doing so.
>
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Re: [jira] [Created] (VCL-543) OSX under ESXi 4.1
Posted by James O'Dell <jo...@fullerton.edu>.
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I did have someone from our campus contact an Apple representative
before I wrote the OSX module. Here are the conditions, as I understand
them.
1. Must be on Apple hardware. No way around this one.
2a) For Apple Snow Leopard (Server) you must have a license for each
instance.
2b) For Apple Lion (Client or Server) you can have 3 instances per
license per machine. (one real + 2 virtual, or 3 virtual)
3) The other OSX versions cannot be virtualized.
I based my work on Apple Snow Leopard(Server). I didn't have a copy
of Lion available as it hadn't been released yet.
I suspect the scripts I wrote for things like firewall control are
SL specific, and may have to be modified for Lion.
Just a bit of info, VMware 5 now supports SL Server as an operating
system type(Apple hardware).
Maybe this link will be helpful.
> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Macos-x-server/2011/Jul/msg00205.html
Btw, 'time-sharing' really isn't an issue with iRAPP RDP server. It
runs on the console, and only one person at a time can be on the
console.
Hope this helps,
__Jim
On 2/24/2012 6:37 AM, Mark Gardner wrote:
> Thanks for letting me know. I am glad that Apple is allowing OSX to be
> virtualized.
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
>> This is new with OS X 10.7 (Lion).
>>
>> There are also certain conditions on this. First of all, you need to be running OS X VMs on Apple hardware, and there is a hard limit on the number of virtualized instances that you can run on any machine. Second, the VMs need to be run on a system that is already running Lion.
>>
>> The documents listed in this JIRA issue describe installing VMware ESX as a hypervisor (on Mac Pro hardware) and then running three instances of Lion inside that. I am not sure that entirely conforms to the EULA. My reading of it, at least, is that you need to have an instance of OS X running directly on the hardware.
>>
>> The EULA for Lion states (in section B):
>> B. License from Mac App Store. If you obtained a license for the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License and as permitted by the Mac App Store Usage Rules set forth in the App Store Terms and Conditions (http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/ww/) (“Usage Rules”), you are granted a limited, non-transferable, non-exclusive license:
>>
>> …
>>
>> (iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software.
>> This is further qualified with the following:
>>
>> The grant set forth in Section 2B(iii) above does not permit you to use the virtualized copies or instances of the Apple Software in connection with service bureau, time-sharing, terminal sharing or other similar types of services.
>>
>> This last clause also potentially conflicts with what the VCL is doing, namely "terminal sharing or other similar types of services".
>>
>> Or is there another way to read this?
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Coburn
>> Systems Administrator and Programmer
>> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
>> (413) 542-5451 acoburn@amherst.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Mark Gardner wrote:
>>
>>> While I am glad to see OSX supported, I was under the impression that
>>> it was against Apple's license. Am I out of touch?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM, James O'Dell (Created) (JIRA)
>>> <ji...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> OSX under ESXi 4.1
>>>> ------------------
>>>>
>>>> Key: VCL-543
>>>> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-543
>>>> Project: VCL
>>>> Issue Type: Improvement
>>>> Components: database, vcld (backend), web gui (frontend)
>>>> Affects Versions: 2.2.1
>>>> Reporter: James O'Dell
>>>> Fix For: 2.2.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VCL needs OSX support. These files are my first attempt at doing so.
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Mark Gardner
>>> --
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Re: [jira] [Created] (VCL-543) OSX under ESXi 4.1
Posted by Mark Gardner <mk...@vt.edu>.
Thanks for letting me know. I am glad that Apple is allowing OSX to be
virtualized.
Mark
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu> wrote:
> This is new with OS X 10.7 (Lion).
>
> There are also certain conditions on this. First of all, you need to be running OS X VMs on Apple hardware, and there is a hard limit on the number of virtualized instances that you can run on any machine. Second, the VMs need to be run on a system that is already running Lion.
>
> The documents listed in this JIRA issue describe installing VMware ESX as a hypervisor (on Mac Pro hardware) and then running three instances of Lion inside that. I am not sure that entirely conforms to the EULA. My reading of it, at least, is that you need to have an instance of OS X running directly on the hardware.
>
> The EULA for Lion states (in section B):
> B. License from Mac App Store. If you obtained a license for the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License and as permitted by the Mac App Store Usage Rules set forth in the App Store Terms and Conditions (http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/ww/) (“Usage Rules”), you are granted a limited, non-transferable, non-exclusive license:
>
> …
>
> (iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software.
> This is further qualified with the following:
>
> The grant set forth in Section 2B(iii) above does not permit you to use the virtualized copies or instances of the Apple Software in connection with service bureau, time-sharing, terminal sharing or other similar types of services.
>
> This last clause also potentially conflicts with what the VCL is doing, namely "terminal sharing or other similar types of services".
>
> Or is there another way to read this?
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> (413) 542-5451 acoburn@amherst.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Mark Gardner wrote:
>
>> While I am glad to see OSX supported, I was under the impression that
>> it was against Apple's license. Am I out of touch?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM, James O'Dell (Created) (JIRA)
>> <ji...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> OSX under ESXi 4.1
>>> ------------------
>>>
>>> Key: VCL-543
>>> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-543
>>> Project: VCL
>>> Issue Type: Improvement
>>> Components: database, vcld (backend), web gui (frontend)
>>> Affects Versions: 2.2.1
>>> Reporter: James O'Dell
>>> Fix For: 2.2.1
>>>
>>>
>>> VCL needs OSX support. These files are my first attempt at doing so.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Gardner
>> --
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Mark Gardner
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Re: [jira] [Created] (VCL-543) OSX under ESXi 4.1
Posted by Aaron Coburn <ac...@amherst.edu>.
This is new with OS X 10.7 (Lion).
There are also certain conditions on this. First of all, you need to be running OS X VMs on Apple hardware, and there is a hard limit on the number of virtualized instances that you can run on any machine. Second, the VMs need to be run on a system that is already running Lion.
The documents listed in this JIRA issue describe installing VMware ESX as a hypervisor (on Mac Pro hardware) and then running three instances of Lion inside that. I am not sure that entirely conforms to the EULA. My reading of it, at least, is that you need to have an instance of OS X running directly on the hardware.
The EULA for Lion states (in section B):
B. License from Mac App Store. If you obtained a license for the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License and as permitted by the Mac App Store Usage Rules set forth in the App Store Terms and Conditions (http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/ww/) (“Usage Rules”), you are granted a limited, non-transferable, non-exclusive license:
…
(iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software.
This is further qualified with the following:
The grant set forth in Section 2B(iii) above does not permit you to use the virtualized copies or instances of the Apple Software in connection with service bureau, time-sharing, terminal sharing or other similar types of services.
This last clause also potentially conflicts with what the VCL is doing, namely "terminal sharing or other similar types of services".
Or is there another way to read this?
Aaron
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Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
(413) 542-5451 acoburn@amherst.edu
On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Mark Gardner wrote:
> While I am glad to see OSX supported, I was under the impression that
> it was against Apple's license. Am I out of touch?
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM, James O'Dell (Created) (JIRA)
> <ji...@apache.org> wrote:
>> OSX under ESXi 4.1
>> ------------------
>>
>> Key: VCL-543
>> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-543
>> Project: VCL
>> Issue Type: Improvement
>> Components: database, vcld (backend), web gui (frontend)
>> Affects Versions: 2.2.1
>> Reporter: James O'Dell
>> Fix For: 2.2.1
>>
>>
>> VCL needs OSX support. These files are my first attempt at doing so.
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>
>
>
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> Mark Gardner
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Re: [jira] [Created] (VCL-543) OSX under ESXi 4.1
Posted by Josh Thompson <jo...@ncsu.edu>.
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Mark,
My understanding is that it is allowed under the right circumstances. This is
from the Howto.rtf Jim wrote up and attached to the JIRA issue:
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Apple licensing restricts virtualization to only OSX server 10.6 and OSX
client 10.7. Also, it requires it to run on only Apple hardware (I'm using old
MACPros). My understanding is that OSX server 10.6 requires a license to each
instance, while OSX client 10.7 requires 1 license on each hardware platform -
but also limits it to running 3 concurrent operating systems.
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Josh
On Friday, February 24, 2012 8:29:15 AM Mark Gardner wrote:
> While I am glad to see OSX supported, I was under the impression that
> it was against Apple's license. Am I out of touch?
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM, James O'Dell (Created) (JIRA)
>
> <ji...@apache.org> wrote:
> > OSX under ESXi 4.1
> > ------------------
> >
> > Key: VCL-543
> > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-543
> > Project: VCL
> > Issue Type: Improvement
> > Components: database, vcld (backend), web gui (frontend)
> > Affects Versions: 2.2.1
> > Reporter: James O'Dell
> > Fix For: 2.2.1
> >
> >
> > VCL needs OSX support. These files are my first attempt at doing so.
> >
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