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Posted to dev@mxnet.apache.org by Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> on 2022/04/18 21:03:10 UTC
[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
BCC'ing all mentors
Hi MXNet Community,
Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
the project.
Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
project and community since entering the incubator:
Community
-
37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
members to 50
-
55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing
the total number of committers to 86
-
The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
-
The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all major
project discussions happen there.
Project
-
18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
-
MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
requirements[5]
-
MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
Concerns
Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project
in the past.
Licensing and Branding Issues
The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the
ticket remains open.
We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and
have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache
2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based
on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote when
the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will
get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed.
Chair for Project
In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the
Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
References:
[1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
[2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
[3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
[4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
[5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
[6]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
[7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
[8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
[9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
[10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>.
Thanks everyone for the feedback and comments. Based on the responses, the
community overwhelmingly supports graduation. I will start a voting thread
in this list shortly.
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 12:13 PM Hongliang Liu <ph...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1 for graduation. So much nice work by the team!
>
> Regards,
> Hongliang Liu
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:34 Mu Li <mu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 for graduation. It's hard to believe that mxnet is still in
> incubating.
> >
> > On 2022/04/18 21:03:10 Joe Evans wrote:
> > > BCC'ing all mentors
> > >
> > > Hi MXNet Community,
> > >
> > > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> > > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> > > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> > > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> > > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute
> to
> > > the project.
> > >
> > > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet
> (incubating)
> > > project and community since entering the incubator:
> > >
> > > Community
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> > > members to 50
> > > -
> > >
> > > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
> > bringing
> > > the total number of committers to 86
> > > -
> > >
> > > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> > > -
> > >
> > > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> > major
> > > project discussions happen there.
> > >
> > > Project
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance
> issues
> > > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> > > -
> > >
> > > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> > > requirements[5]
> > > -
> > >
> > > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
> > >
> > > Concerns
> > >
> > > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I
> did
> > > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
> > project
> > > in the past.
> > >
> > > Licensing and Branding Issues
> > >
> > > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> > > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
> > the
> > > ticket remains open.
> > >
> > > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> > > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and
> added
> > > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues
> from
> > > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements
> > and
> > > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
> > >
> > > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
> > >
> > > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> > > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> > > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> > > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
> > Apache
> > > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
> > Based
> > > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I
> believe
> > > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> > when
> > > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
> > will
> > > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
> > completed.
> > >
> > > Chair for Project
> > >
> > > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by
> > the
> > > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based
> on
> > > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> > > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
> > >
> > >
> > > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > >
> > > References:
> > > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
> > > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
> > > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> > > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
> > > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> > > [6]
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> > > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> > > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
> > > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
> > > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Hongliang Liu <ph...@gmail.com>.
+1 for graduation. So much nice work by the team!
Regards,
Hongliang Liu
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:34 Mu Li <mu...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 for graduation. It's hard to believe that mxnet is still in incubating.
>
> On 2022/04/18 21:03:10 Joe Evans wrote:
> > BCC'ing all mentors
> >
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> >
> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> > the project.
> >
> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> > project and community since entering the incubator:
> >
> > Community
> >
> > -
> >
> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> > members to 50
> > -
> >
> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
> bringing
> > the total number of committers to 86
> > -
> >
> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> > -
> >
> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> major
> > project discussions happen there.
> >
> > Project
> >
> > -
> >
> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> > -
> >
> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> > requirements[5]
> > -
> >
> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
> >
> > Concerns
> >
> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
> project
> > in the past.
> >
> > Licensing and Branding Issues
> >
> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
> the
> > ticket remains open.
> >
> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements
> and
> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
> >
> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
> >
> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
> Apache
> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
> Based
> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> when
> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
> will
> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
> completed.
> >
> > Chair for Project
> >
> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by
> the
> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
> >
> >
> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > References:
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> > [6]
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>.
+1 for graduation. It's hard to believe that mxnet is still in incubating.
On 2022/04/18 21:03:10 Joe Evans wrote:
> BCC'ing all mentors
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> the project.
>
> Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> project and community since entering the incubator:
>
> Community
>
> -
>
> 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> members to 50
> -
>
> 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing
> the total number of committers to 86
> -
>
> The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> -
>
> The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all major
> project discussions happen there.
>
> Project
>
> -
>
> 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> -
>
> MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> requirements[5]
> -
>
> MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
>
> Concerns
>
> Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project
> in the past.
>
> Licensing and Branding Issues
>
> The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the
> ticket remains open.
>
> We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and
> have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
>
> Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
>
> Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache
> 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based
> on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote when
> the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will
> get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed.
>
> Chair for Project
>
> In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the
> Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
>
>
> This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
>
> References:
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
> [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
> [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> [6]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
> [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
> [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by kezhenxu94 <ke...@apache.org>.
Hi all, and I’m also planing to leave the Podling after its graduation,
I don’t think I can offer helps after its graduation, I jumped in back to
when there is no enough active mentors to vote, now that we are graduating
as a top level project and I believe the folks can manage the project as well
as its branding / license stuffs.
> On Apr 19, 2022, at 05:03, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> BCC'ing all mentors
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January, 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to the project.
>
> Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating) project and community since entering the incubator:
> Community
>
> • 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC members to 50
> • 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing the total number of committers to 86
> • The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> • The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all major project discussions happen there.
>
> Project
>
> • 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> • MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website requirements[5]
> • MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
>
> Concerns
>
> Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project in the past.
>
> Licensing and Branding Issues
>
> The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the ticket remains open.
>
> We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0 release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
>
> Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
>
> Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote when the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed.
>
> Chair for Project
>
> In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
>
>
>
> This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
>
>
> References:
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
> [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
> [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> [6] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
> [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
> [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
—————————
Zhenxu Ke (柯振旭)
GitHub @kezhenxu94
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Yuan Tang <te...@gmail.com>.
+1 Interested but it would be great to clarify how the process works. Is
there a reference? Also 72 hours is way too short in case of vacations or
simply missed the email notification.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 7:41 PM Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>
wrote:
> responding although I am also suspicious of the process
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from
>> the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an
>> opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
>>
>> Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the
>> right process?
>>
>> -Marco
>>
>> On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
>>>
>>> Hi MXNet Community,
>>>
>>> Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting
>>> a resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet
>>> project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members
>>> of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and
>>> I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a
>>> member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that
>>> would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please
>>> respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the
>>> resolution.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a
>>>> great
>>>> chair!
>>>>
>>>> -Marco
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > BCC'ing all mentors
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi MXNet Community,
>>>> >
>>>> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since
>>>> January,
>>>> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
>>>> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
>>>> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
>>>> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly
>>>> contribute to
>>>> > the project.
>>>> >
>>>> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet
>>>> (incubating)
>>>> > project and community since entering the incubator:
>>>> >
>>>> > Community
>>>> >
>>>> > -
>>>> >
>>>> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
>>>> > members to 50
>>>> > -
>>>> >
>>>> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
>>>> bringing
>>>> > the total number of committers to 86
>>>> > -
>>>> >
>>>> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
>>>> > -
>>>> >
>>>> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
>>>> > major
>>>> > project discussions happen there.
>>>> >
>>>> > Project
>>>> >
>>>> > -
>>>> >
>>>> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance
>>>> issues
>>>> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
>>>> > -
>>>> >
>>>> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
>>>> > requirements[5]
>>>> > -
>>>> >
>>>> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
>>>> >
>>>> > Concerns
>>>> >
>>>> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I
>>>> did
>>>> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
>>>> project
>>>> > in the past.
>>>> >
>>>> > Licensing and Branding Issues
>>>> >
>>>> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
>>>> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns
>>>> but the
>>>> > ticket remains open.
>>>> >
>>>> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
>>>> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and
>>>> added
>>>> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues
>>>> from
>>>> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF
>>>> requirements and
>>>> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
>>>> >
>>>> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
>>>> >
>>>> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
>>>> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
>>>> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since
>>>> MXNet
>>>> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
>>>> Apache
>>>> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
>>>> Based
>>>> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I
>>>> believe
>>>> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator
>>>> vote
>>>> > when
>>>> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
>>>> will
>>>> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
>>>> completed.
>>>> >
>>>> > Chair for Project
>>>> >
>>>> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered
>>>> by the
>>>> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based
>>>> on
>>>> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
>>>> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
>>>> >
>>>> > References:
>>>> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
>>>> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
>>>> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
>>>> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
>>>> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
>>>> > [6]
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
>>>> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
>>>> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
>>>> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
>>>> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
>>>> >
>>>>
>>> --
Yuan Tang
https://terrytangyuan.github.io/about/
<https://terrytangyuan.github.io/about/>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Przemysław Trędak <pt...@apache.org>.
+1 from me as well.
Thanks,
Przemek
On 2022/04/22 20:49:26 Xingjian SHI wrote:
> +1 on opt-out
>
> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 4:58:14 PM
> To: lanking520@live.com <la...@live.com>
> Cc: Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>; Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>; * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>; * Bing Xu <bi...@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier <cm...@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter <di...@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci <ka...@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi <in...@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai <ja...@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>; * Joe Spisak <js...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>; * Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>; * Ly Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>; * Markus Weimer <we...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu <co...@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>; * Przemysław Trędak <pt...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan <la...@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>; * Sergey Kolychev <se...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>; * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; * Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <th...@apache.org>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>; * Tong He <th...@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <sx...@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <ge...@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <te...@apache.org>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <zh...@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziheng Jiang <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>; dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the responses and concerns. I see that most would rather have an opt-out process and be included as an initial member by default. I will post the proposed resolution in the Github issue[1] that includes all PPMC by default. If anyone would like to opt-out of being appointed as an initial member, please discuss here or on the issue. Looking forward to having a community vote soon and having all your support as PPMC. :)
>
> Regards,
> Joe
>
> references:
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20984
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:50 PM <la...@live.com>> wrote:
> On the same boat here.
>
> - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce:
>
> "I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution."
>
> Thanks,
> Qing
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41
> To: Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>>
> Cc: * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>>; * Bing Xu <bi...@apache.org>>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>>; * Carin Meier <cm...@apache.org>>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>>; * Dick Carter <di...@apache.org>>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>>; * Furkan Kamaci <ka...@apache.org>>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>>; * Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>>; * Indhu Bharathi <in...@apache.org>>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>>; * Jason Dai <ja...@apache.org>>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>>; * Joe Spisak <js...@apache.org>>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>>; * Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org>>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>>; * Ly Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>>; * Markus Weimer <we...@apache.org>>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>>; * Nan Zhu <co...@apache.org>>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>>; * Przemysław Trędak <pt...@apache.org>>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>>; * Qing Lan <la...@apache.org>>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>>; * Sergey Kolychev <se...@apache.org>>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>>; * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>>; * Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>>; * Thomas Delteil <th...@apache.org>>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>>; * Tong He <th...@apache.org>>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>>; * Xingjian Shi <sx...@apache.org>>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>>; * Yifeng Geng <ge...@apache.org>>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>>; * Yuan Tang <te...@apache.org>>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>>; * Zhi Zhang <zh...@apache.org>>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>>; * Ziheng Jiang <zi...@apache.org>>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>>; Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>>; dev@mxnet.apache.org<ma...@mxnet.apache.org> <de...@mxnet.apache.org>>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
>
> responding although I am also suspicious of the process
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
>
> Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right process?
>
> -Marco
>
> On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
> chair!
>
> -Marco
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > BCC'ing all mentors
> >
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> >
> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> > the project.
> >
> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> > project and community since entering the incubator:
> >
> > Community
> >
> > -
> >
> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> > members to 50
> > -
> >
> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing
> > the total number of committers to 86
> > -
> >
> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> > -
> >
> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> > major
> > project discussions happen there.
> >
> > Project
> >
> > -
> >
> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> > -
> >
> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> > requirements[5]
> > -
> >
> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
> >
> > Concerns
> >
> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project
> > in the past.
> >
> > Licensing and Branding Issues
> >
> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the
> > ticket remains open.
> >
> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and
> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
> >
> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
> >
> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache
> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based
> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> > when
> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will
> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed.
> >
> > Chair for Project
> >
> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the
> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
> >
> >
> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > References:
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0>
> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0>
> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [6]
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0>
> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0>
> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Tong He <th...@apache.org>.
+1 for graduation
On 2022/04/24 03:23:26 kezhenxu94 wrote:
> Hi
>
> I’m +1(binding) to graduate MXNet as a top level project, thanks all for pushing forward to graduation.
>
>
> ————————————
> 柯振旭 (@kezhenxu94)
> Apache Software Foundation Member
> Apache SkyWalking PMC
> Apache Incubator PMC and Mentor
>
> > On Apr 24, 2022, at 01:55, Xingjian SHI <xs...@connect.ust.hk> wrote:
> >
> > +1 for graduation
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 4:10:37 PM
> > To: dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
> >
> > +1 for graduation
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 6:16 PM Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1 for graduation
> >>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by kezhenxu94 <ke...@apache.org>.
Hi
I’m +1(binding) to graduate MXNet as a top level project, thanks all for pushing forward to graduation.
————————————
柯振旭 (@kezhenxu94)
Apache Software Foundation Member
Apache SkyWalking PMC
Apache Incubator PMC and Mentor
> On Apr 24, 2022, at 01:55, Xingjian SHI <xs...@connect.ust.hk> wrote:
>
> +1 for graduation
>
> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 4:10:37 PM
> To: dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
>
> +1 for graduation
>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 6:16 PM Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> +1 for graduation
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Xingjian SHI <xs...@connect.ust.hk>.
+1 for graduation
Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
________________________________
From: Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 4:10:37 PM
To: dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
+1 for graduation
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 6:16 PM Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 for graduation
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Carin Meier <ca...@gmail.com>.
+1 for graduation
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 6:16 PM Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 for graduation
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org>.
+1 for graduation
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Thomas DELTEIL <th...@gmail.com>.
+1 for graduation
On Fri., Apr. 22, 2022, 23:14 Dick Carter, <di...@apache.org> wrote:
> I agree that after over 5 years of continuous improvement as an incubator
> project, Apache MXNet (incubating) is ready for graduation. I believe
> Sheng Zha would be an excellent project Chair.
>
> I think the PMC can be formed from the PPMC with an opt-out. However, in
> an attempt to avoid adding those who have no interest, perhaps we can
> actively ask each PPMC member if they would like to be included. If a
> member does not reply to an email request regarding opt-out preference,
> then the member is included in the PPMC.
>
> On 2022/04/22 20:49:26 Xingjian SHI wrote:
> > +1 on opt-out
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 4:58:14 PM
> > To: lanking520@live.com <la...@live.com>
> > Cc: Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>; Marco de Abreu <
> marcoabreu@apache.org>; * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>; *
> Bing Xu <bi...@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier
> <cm...@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter <
> dickjc123@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci <
> kamaci@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell <
> bayard@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi <
> indhub@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai <
> jasondai@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>; * Joe
> Spisak <js...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>; * Leonard
> Lausen <la...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>; * Ly
> Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>; * Markus
> Weimer <we...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu <
> codingcat@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>; * Przemysław
> Trędak <pt...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan <
> lanking@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>; * Sergey
> Kolychev <se...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>;
> * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; *
> Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <
> thomasdelteil@apache.org>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>; * Tong He <
> the@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <
> sxjscience@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <
> gengyifeng@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <
> terrytangyuan@apache.org>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <
> zhreshold@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziheng
> Jiang <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>;
> dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Thanks for the responses and concerns. I see that most would rather have
> an opt-out process and be included as an initial member by default. I will
> post the proposed resolution in the Github issue[1] that includes all PPMC
> by default. If anyone would like to opt-out of being appointed as an
> initial member, please discuss here or on the issue. Looking forward to
> having a community vote soon and having all your support as PPMC. :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Joe
> >
> > references:
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20984
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:50 PM <lanking520@live.com<mailto:
> lanking520@live.com>> wrote:
> > On the same boat here.
> >
> > - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce:
> >
> > "I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an
> initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within
> the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution."
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Qing
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Chris Olivier <cjolivier01@apache.org<mailto:
> cjolivier01@apache.org>>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41
> > To: Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>>
> > Cc: * Anirudh Subramanian <anirudh2290@apache.org<mailto:
> anirudh2290@apache.org>>; * Bing Xu <bingxu@apache.org<mailto:
> bingxu@apache.org>>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>>;
> * Carin Meier <cm...@apache.org>>; * Chiyuan
> Zhang <pl...@apache.org>>; * Dick Carter <
> dickjc123@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Eric Xie <
> jxie@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Furkan Kamaci <
> kamaci@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Haibin Lin <
> haibin@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Henri Yandell <
> bayard@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Hongliang Liu <
> hliu@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Indhu Bharathi <
> indhub@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Jackie Wu <wkcn@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>>; * Jason Dai <jasondai@apache.org<mailto:
> jasondai@apache.org>>; * Jian Zhang <jianzhangzju@apache.org<mailto:
> jianzhangzju@apache.org>>; * Joe Spisak <jspisak@apache.org<mailto:
> jspisak@apache.org>>; * Jun Wu <reminisce@apache.org<mailto:
> reminisce@apache.org>>; * Leonard Lausen <lausen@apache.org<mailto:
> lausen@apache.org>>; * Liang Depeng <ldpe2g@apache.org<mailto:
> ldpe2g@apache.org>>; * Ly Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>>;
> * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>>; * Markus
> Weimer <we...@apache.org>>; * Mu Li <
> muli@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Nan Zhu <codingcat@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>>; * Naveen Swamy <nswamy@apache.org<mailto:
> nswamy@apache.org>>; * Przemysław Trędak <ptrendx@apache.org<mailto:
> ptrendx@apache.org>>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>>;
> * Qing Lan <la...@apache.org>>; * Sandeep
> Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>>; * Sergey Kolychev <
> sergeykolychev@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Sheng Zha
> <zh...@apache.org>>; * Shiwen Hu <
> yajiedesign@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Tao Lv <
> taolv@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Terry Chen <
> terrychen@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Thomas Delteil <
> thomasdelteil@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>>; * Tianqi Chen
> <tq...@apache.org>>; * Tong He <the@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <ozawa@apache.org<mailto:
> ozawa@apache.org>>; * Xingjian Shi <sxjscience@apache.org<mailto:
> sxjscience@apache.org>>; * YiZhi Liu <liuyizhi@apache.org<mailto:
> liuyizhi@apache.org>>; * Yifeng Geng <gengyifeng@apache.org<mailto:
> gengyifeng@apache.org>>; * Yu Zhang <yzhang87@apache.org<mailto:
> yzhang87@apache.org>>; * Yuan Tang <terrytangyuan@apache.org<mailto:
> terrytangyuan@apache.org>>; * Yutian Li <hotpxl@apache.org<mailto:
> hotpxl@apache.org>>; * Zhi Zhang <zhreshold@apache.org<mailto:
> zhreshold@apache.org>>; * Zihao Zheng <zihaolucky@apache.org<mailto:
> zihaolucky@apache.org>>; * Ziheng Jiang <ziheng@apache.org<mailto:
> ziheng@apache.org>>; * Ziyue Huang <ziyue@apache.org<mailto:
> ziyue@apache.org>>; Joe Evans <joseph.evans@gmail.com<mailto:
> joseph.evans@gmail.com>>; dev@mxnet.apache.org<ma...@mxnet.apache.org>
> <de...@mxnet.apache.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
> >
> > responding although I am also suspicious of the process
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <marcoabreu@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from
> the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an
> opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
> >
> > Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the
> right process?
> >
> > -Marco
> >
> > On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <joseph.evans@gmail.com<mailto:
> joseph.evans@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
> >
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> >
> > Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting
> a resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet
> project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members
> of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and
> I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a
> member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that
> would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please
> respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the
> resolution.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <marco.g.abreu@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
> > chair!
> >
> > -Marco
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <joseph.evans@gmail.com<mailto:
> joseph.evans@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > BCC'ing all mentors
> > >
> > > Hi MXNet Community,
> > >
> > > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> > > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> > > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> > > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> > > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute
> to
> > > the project.
> > >
> > > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet
> (incubating)
> > > project and community since entering the incubator:
> > >
> > > Community
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> > > members to 50
> > > -
> > >
> > > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
> bringing
> > > the total number of committers to 86
> > > -
> > >
> > > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> > > -
> > >
> > > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> > > major
> > > project discussions happen there.
> > >
> > > Project
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance
> issues
> > > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> > > -
> > >
> > > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> > > requirements[5]
> > > -
> > >
> > > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
> > >
> > > Concerns
> > >
> > > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I
> did
> > > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
> project
> > > in the past.
> > >
> > > Licensing and Branding Issues
> > >
> > > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> > > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
> the
> > > ticket remains open.
> > >
> > > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> > > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and
> added
> > > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues
> from
> > > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF
> requirements and
> > > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
> > >
> > > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
> > >
> > > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> > > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> > > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> > > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
> Apache
> > > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
> Based
> > > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I
> believe
> > > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> > > when
> > > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
> will
> > > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
> completed.
> > >
> > > Chair for Project
> > >
> > > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered
> by the
> > > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based
> on
> > > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> > > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
> > >
> > >
> > > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > >
> > > References:
> > > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html<
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org<
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases<
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/<
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs<
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > > [6]
> > >
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> <
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253<
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> >
> > > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475<
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616<
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> >
> > > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800<
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> >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Dick Carter <di...@apache.org>.
I agree that after over 5 years of continuous improvement as an incubator project, Apache MXNet (incubating) is ready for graduation. I believe Sheng Zha would be an excellent project Chair.
I think the PMC can be formed from the PPMC with an opt-out. However, in an attempt to avoid adding those who have no interest, perhaps we can actively ask each PPMC member if they would like to be included. If a member does not reply to an email request regarding opt-out preference, then the member is included in the PPMC.
On 2022/04/22 20:49:26 Xingjian SHI wrote:
> +1 on opt-out
>
> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 4:58:14 PM
> To: lanking520@live.com <la...@live.com>
> Cc: Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>; Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>; * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>; * Bing Xu <bi...@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier <cm...@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter <di...@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci <ka...@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi <in...@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai <ja...@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>; * Joe Spisak <js...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>; * Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>; * Ly Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>; * Markus Weimer <we...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu <co...@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>; * Przemysław Trędak <pt...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan <la...@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>; * Sergey Kolychev <se...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>; * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; * Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <th...@apache.org>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>; * Tong He <th...@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <sx...@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <ge...@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <te...@apache.org>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <zh...@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziheng Jiang <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>; dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the responses and concerns. I see that most would rather have an opt-out process and be included as an initial member by default. I will post the proposed resolution in the Github issue[1] that includes all PPMC by default. If anyone would like to opt-out of being appointed as an initial member, please discuss here or on the issue. Looking forward to having a community vote soon and having all your support as PPMC. :)
>
> Regards,
> Joe
>
> references:
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20984
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:50 PM <la...@live.com>> wrote:
> On the same boat here.
>
> - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce:
>
> "I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution."
>
> Thanks,
> Qing
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41
> To: Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>>
> Cc: * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>>; * Bing Xu <bi...@apache.org>>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>>; * Carin Meier <cm...@apache.org>>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>>; * Dick Carter <di...@apache.org>>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>>; * Furkan Kamaci <ka...@apache.org>>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>>; * Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>>; * Indhu Bharathi <in...@apache.org>>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>>; * Jason Dai <ja...@apache.org>>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>>; * Joe Spisak <js...@apache.org>>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>>; * Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org>>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>>; * Ly Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>>; * Markus Weimer <we...@apache.org>>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>>; * Nan Zhu <co...@apache.org>>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>>; * Przemysław Trędak <pt...@apache.org>>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>>; * Qing Lan <la...@apache.org>>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>>; * Sergey Kolychev <se...@apache.org>>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>>; * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>>; * Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>>; * Thomas Delteil <th...@apache.org>>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>>; * Tong He <th...@apache.org>>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>>; * Xingjian Shi <sx...@apache.org>>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>>; * Yifeng Geng <ge...@apache.org>>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>>; * Yuan Tang <te...@apache.org>>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>>; * Zhi Zhang <zh...@apache.org>>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>>; * Ziheng Jiang <zi...@apache.org>>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>>; Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>>; dev@mxnet.apache.org<ma...@mxnet.apache.org> <de...@mxnet.apache.org>>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
>
> responding although I am also suspicious of the process
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
>
> Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right process?
>
> -Marco
>
> On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
> chair!
>
> -Marco
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > BCC'ing all mentors
> >
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> >
> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> > the project.
> >
> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> > project and community since entering the incubator:
> >
> > Community
> >
> > -
> >
> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> > members to 50
> > -
> >
> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing
> > the total number of committers to 86
> > -
> >
> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> > -
> >
> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> > major
> > project discussions happen there.
> >
> > Project
> >
> > -
> >
> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> > -
> >
> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> > requirements[5]
> > -
> >
> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
> >
> > Concerns
> >
> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project
> > in the past.
> >
> > Licensing and Branding Issues
> >
> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the
> > ticket remains open.
> >
> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and
> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
> >
> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
> >
> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache
> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based
> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> > when
> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will
> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed.
> >
> > Chair for Project
> >
> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the
> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
> >
> >
> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > References:
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0>
> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0>
> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [6]
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0>
> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0>
> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Nan Zhu <zh...@gmail.com>.
responding and I think it is by default every PPMC member continue to be
the member in the new project
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 13:49 Xingjian SHI <xs...@connect.ust.hk> wrote:
> +1 on opt-out
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2022 4:58:14 PM
> *To:* lanking520@live.com <la...@live.com>
> *Cc:* Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>; Marco de Abreu <
> marcoabreu@apache.org>; * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>; *
> Bing Xu <bi...@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier
> <cm...@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter <
> dickjc123@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci <
> kamaci@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell <
> bayard@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi <
> indhub@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai <
> jasondai@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>; * Joe
> Spisak <js...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>; * Leonard
> Lausen <la...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>; * Ly
> Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>; * Markus
> Weimer <we...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu <
> codingcat@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>; * Przemysław
> Trędak <pt...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan <
> lanking@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>; * Sergey
> Kolychev <se...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>;
> * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; *
> Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <
> thomasdelteil@apache.org>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>; * Tong He <
> the@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <
> sxjscience@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <
> gengyifeng@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <
> terrytangyuan@apache.org>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <
> zhreshold@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziheng
> Jiang <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>;
> dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the responses and concerns. I see that most would rather have
> an opt-out process and be included as an initial member by default. I will
> post the proposed resolution in the Github issue[1] that includes all PPMC
> by default. If anyone would like to opt-out of being appointed as an
> initial member, please discuss here or on the issue. Looking forward to
> having a community vote soon and having all your support as PPMC. :)
>
> Regards,
> Joe
>
> references:
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20984
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:50 PM <la...@live.com> wrote:
>
> On the same boat here.
>
> - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce:
>
> "I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an
> initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within
> the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution."
>
> Thanks,
> Qing
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41
> *To:* Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>
> *Cc:* * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>; * Bing Xu <
> bingxu@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier <
> cmeier@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter <
> dickjc123@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci <
> kamaci@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell <
> bayard@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi <
> indhub@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai <
> jasondai@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>; * Joe
> Spisak <js...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>; * Leonard
> Lausen <la...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>; * Ly
> Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>; * Markus
> Weimer <we...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu <
> codingcat@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>; * Przemysław
> Trędak <pt...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan <
> lanking@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>; * Sergey
> Kolychev <se...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>;
> * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; *
> Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <
> thomasdelteil@apache.org>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>; * Tong He <
> the@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <
> sxjscience@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <
> gengyifeng@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <
> terrytangyuan@apache.org>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <
> zhreshold@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziheng
> Jiang <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>; Joe Evans <
> joseph.evans@gmail.com>; dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
>
>
> responding although I am also suspicious of the process
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from
> the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an
> opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
>
> Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right
> process?
>
> -Marco
>
> On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a
> resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet
> project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members
> of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and
> I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a
> member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that
> would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please
> respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the
> resolution.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
> chair!
>
> -Marco
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BCC'ing all mentors
> >
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> >
> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> > the project.
> >
> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> > project and community since entering the incubator:
> >
> > Community
> >
> > -
> >
> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> > members to 50
> > -
> >
> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
> bringing
> > the total number of committers to 86
> > -
> >
> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> > -
> >
> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> > major
> > project discussions happen there.
> >
> > Project
> >
> > -
> >
> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> > -
> >
> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> > requirements[5]
> > -
> >
> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
> >
> > Concerns
> >
> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
> project
> > in the past.
> >
> > Licensing and Branding Issues
> >
> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
> the
> > ticket remains open.
> >
> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements
> and
> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
> >
> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
> >
> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
> Apache
> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
> Based
> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> > when
> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
> will
> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
> completed.
> >
> > Chair for Project
> >
> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by
> the
> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
> >
> >
> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > References:
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0>
> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0>
> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [6]
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0>
> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0>
> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0>
> >
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Xingjian SHI <xs...@connect.ust.hk>.
+1 on opt-out
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From: Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Hi all,
Thanks for the responses and concerns. I see that most would rather have an opt-out process and be included as an initial member by default. I will post the proposed resolution in the Github issue[1] that includes all PPMC by default. If anyone would like to opt-out of being appointed as an initial member, please discuss here or on the issue. Looking forward to having a community vote soon and having all your support as PPMC. :)
Regards,
Joe
references:
[1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20984
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:50 PM <la...@live.com>> wrote:
On the same boat here.
- Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce:
"I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution."
Thanks,
Qing
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Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41
To: Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>>
Cc: * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>>; * Bing Xu <bi...@apache.org>>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>>; * Carin Meier <cm...@apache.org>>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>>; * Dick Carter <di...@apache.org>>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>>; * Furkan Kamaci <ka...@apache.org>>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>>; * Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>>; * Indhu Bharathi <in...@apache.org>>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>>; * Jason Dai <ja...@apache.org>>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>>; * Joe Spisak <js...@apache.org>>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>>; * Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org>>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>>; * Ly Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>>; * Markus Weimer <we...@apache.org>>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>>; * Nan Zhu <co...@apache.org>>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>>; * Przemysław Trędak <pt...@apache.org>>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>>; * Qing Lan <la...@apache.org>>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>>; * Sergey Kolychev <se...@apache.org>>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>>; * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>>; * Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>>; * Thomas Delteil <th...@apache.org>>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>>; * Tong He <th...@apache.org>>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>>; * Xingjian Shi <sx...@apache.org>>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>>; * Yifeng Geng <ge...@apache.org>>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>>; * Yuan Tang <te...@apache.org>>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>>; * Zhi Zhang <zh...@apache.org>>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>>; * Ziheng Jiang <zi...@apache.org>>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>>; Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>>; dev@mxnet.apache.org<ma...@mxnet.apache.org> <de...@mxnet.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
responding although I am also suspicious of the process
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right process?
-Marco
On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
Hi MXNet Community,
Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1
Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
chair!
-Marco
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> BCC'ing all mentors
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> the project.
>
> Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> project and community since entering the incubator:
>
> Community
>
> -
>
> 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> members to 50
> -
>
> 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing
> the total number of committers to 86
> -
>
> The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> -
>
> The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> major
> project discussions happen there.
>
> Project
>
> -
>
> 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> -
>
> MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> requirements[5]
> -
>
> MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
>
> Concerns
>
> Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project
> in the past.
>
> Licensing and Branding Issues
>
> The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the
> ticket remains open.
>
> We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and
> have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
>
> Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
>
> Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache
> 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based
> on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> when
> the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will
> get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed.
>
> Chair for Project
>
> In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the
> Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
>
>
> This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
>
> References:
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0>
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> [6]
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
> [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0>
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> [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0>
> [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
Thanks for the responses and concerns. I see that most would rather have an
opt-out process and be included as an initial member by default. I will
post the proposed resolution in the Github issue[1] that includes all PPMC
by default. If anyone would like to opt-out of being appointed as an
initial member, please discuss here or on the issue. Looking forward to
having a community vote soon and having all your support as PPMC. :)
Regards,
Joe
references:
[1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20984
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:50 PM <la...@live.com> wrote:
> On the same boat here.
>
> - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce:
>
> "I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an
> initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within
> the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution."
>
> Thanks,
> Qing
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41
> *To:* Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>
> *Cc:* * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>; * Bing Xu <
> bingxu@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier <
> cmeier@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter <
> dickjc123@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci <
> kamaci@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell <
> bayard@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi <
> indhub@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai <
> jasondai@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>; * Joe
> Spisak <js...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>; * Leonard
> Lausen <la...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>; * Ly
> Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>; * Markus
> Weimer <we...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu <
> codingcat@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>; * Przemysław
> Trędak <pt...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan <
> lanking@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>; * Sergey
> Kolychev <se...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>;
> * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; *
> Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <
> thomasdelteil@apache.org>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>; * Tong He <
> the@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <
> sxjscience@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <
> gengyifeng@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <
> terrytangyuan@apache.org>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <
> zhreshold@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziheng
> Jiang <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>; Joe Evans <
> joseph.evans@gmail.com>; dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
>
> responding although I am also suspicious of the process
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from
> the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an
> opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
>
> Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right
> process?
>
> -Marco
>
> On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a
> resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet
> project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members
> of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and
> I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a
> member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that
> would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please
> respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the
> resolution.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
> chair!
>
> -Marco
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BCC'ing all mentors
> >
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> >
> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> > the project.
> >
> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> > project and community since entering the incubator:
> >
> > Community
> >
> > -
> >
> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> > members to 50
> > -
> >
> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
> bringing
> > the total number of committers to 86
> > -
> >
> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> > -
> >
> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> > major
> > project discussions happen there.
> >
> > Project
> >
> > -
> >
> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> > -
> >
> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> > requirements[5]
> > -
> >
> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
> >
> > Concerns
> >
> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
> project
> > in the past.
> >
> > Licensing and Branding Issues
> >
> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
> the
> > ticket remains open.
> >
> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements
> and
> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
> >
> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
> >
> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
> Apache
> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
> Based
> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> > when
> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
> will
> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
> completed.
> >
> > Chair for Project
> >
> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by
> the
> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
> >
> >
> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > References:
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0>
> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0>
> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [6]
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0>
> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0>
> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0>
> >
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>.
The process is an opt-out not an opt-in, everyone here has paid their price
long back in one way or another. Please refrain from making decisions for
all.
Can you also point to the 72 hour deadline that was put?
-Naveen
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 at 16:50, <la...@live.com> wrote:
> On the same boat here.
>
> - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce:
>
> "I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an
> initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within
> the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution."
>
> Thanks,
> Qing
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41
> *To:* Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>
> *Cc:* * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>; * Bing Xu <
> bingxu@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier <
> cmeier@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter <
> dickjc123@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci <
> kamaci@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell <
> bayard@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi <
> indhub@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai <
> jasondai@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>; * Joe
> Spisak <js...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>; * Leonard
> Lausen <la...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>; * Ly
> Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>; * Markus
> Weimer <we...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu <
> codingcat@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>; * Przemysław
> Trędak <pt...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan <
> lanking@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>; * Sergey
> Kolychev <se...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>;
> * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; *
> Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <
> thomasdelteil@apache.org>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>; * Tong He <
> the@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <
> sxjscience@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <
> gengyifeng@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <
> terrytangyuan@apache.org>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <
> zhreshold@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziheng
> Jiang <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>; Joe Evans <
> joseph.evans@gmail.com>; dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
>
> responding although I am also suspicious of the process
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from
> the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an
> opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
>
> Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right
> process?
>
> -Marco
>
> On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a
> resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet
> project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members
> of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and
> I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a
> member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that
> would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please
> respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the
> resolution.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
> chair!
>
> -Marco
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BCC'ing all mentors
> >
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> >
> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> > the project.
> >
> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> > project and community since entering the incubator:
> >
> > Community
> >
> > -
> >
> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> > members to 50
> > -
> >
> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
> bringing
> > the total number of committers to 86
> > -
> >
> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> > -
> >
> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> > major
> > project discussions happen there.
> >
> > Project
> >
> > -
> >
> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> > -
> >
> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> > requirements[5]
> > -
> >
> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
> >
> > Concerns
> >
> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
> project
> > in the past.
> >
> > Licensing and Branding Issues
> >
> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
> the
> > ticket remains open.
> >
> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements
> and
> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
> >
> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
> >
> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
> Apache
> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
> Based
> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> > when
> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
> will
> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
> completed.
> >
> > Chair for Project
> >
> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by
> the
> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
> >
> >
> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > References:
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0>
> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0>
> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0>
> > [6]
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0>
> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0>
> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0>
> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0>
> >
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by la...@live.com.
On the same boat here.
- Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce:
"I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution."
Thanks,
Qing
________________________________
From: Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41
To: Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>
Cc: * Anirudh Subramanian <an...@apache.org>; * Bing Xu <bi...@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <bo...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier <cm...@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <pl...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter <di...@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <jx...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci <ka...@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <ha...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <hl...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi <in...@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <wk...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai <ja...@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <ji...@apache.org>; * Joe Spisak <js...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <re...@apache.org>; * Leonard Lausen <la...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ld...@apache.org>; * Ly Nguyen <lx...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <ma...@apache.org>; * Markus Weimer <we...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <mu...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu <co...@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <ns...@apache.org>; * Przemysław Trędak <pt...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <qk...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan <la...@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <sk...@apache.org>; * Sergey Kolychev <se...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>; * Shiwen Hu <ya...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; * Terry Chen <te...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <th...@apache.org>; * Tianqi Chen <tq...@apache.org>; * Tong He <th...@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <sx...@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu <li...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <ge...@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang <yz...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <te...@apache.org>; * Yutian Li <ho...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <zh...@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziheng Jiang <zi...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>; Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>; dev@mxnet.apache.org <de...@mxnet.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
responding although I am also suspicious of the process
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right process?
-Marco
On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
Hi MXNet Community,
Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1
Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
chair!
-Marco
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> BCC'ing all mentors
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> the project.
>
> Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> project and community since entering the incubator:
>
> Community
>
> -
>
> 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> members to 50
> -
>
> 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing
> the total number of committers to 86
> -
>
> The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> -
>
> The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> major
> project discussions happen there.
>
> Project
>
> -
>
> 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> -
>
> MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> requirements[5]
> -
>
> MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
>
> Concerns
>
> Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project
> in the past.
>
> Licensing and Branding Issues
>
> The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the
> ticket remains open.
>
> We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and
> have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
>
> Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
>
> Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache
> 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based
> on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> when
> the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will
> get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed.
>
> Chair for Project
>
> In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the
> Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
>
>
> This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
>
> References:
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0>
> [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0>
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> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0>
> [6]
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Chris Olivier <cj...@apache.org>.
responding although I am also suspicious of the process
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>
wrote:
> I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from
> the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an
> opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
>
> Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right
> process?
>
> -Marco
>
> On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
>>
>> Hi MXNet Community,
>>
>> Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting
>> a resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet
>> project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members
>> of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and
>> I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a
>> member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that
>> would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please
>> respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the
>> resolution.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
>>> chair!
>>>
>>> -Marco
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > BCC'ing all mentors
>>> >
>>> > Hi MXNet Community,
>>> >
>>> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
>>> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
>>> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
>>> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
>>> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute
>>> to
>>> > the project.
>>> >
>>> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet
>>> (incubating)
>>> > project and community since entering the incubator:
>>> >
>>> > Community
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> >
>>> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
>>> > members to 50
>>> > -
>>> >
>>> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
>>> bringing
>>> > the total number of committers to 86
>>> > -
>>> >
>>> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
>>> > -
>>> >
>>> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
>>> > major
>>> > project discussions happen there.
>>> >
>>> > Project
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> >
>>> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance
>>> issues
>>> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
>>> > -
>>> >
>>> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
>>> > requirements[5]
>>> > -
>>> >
>>> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
>>> >
>>> > Concerns
>>> >
>>> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I
>>> did
>>> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
>>> project
>>> > in the past.
>>> >
>>> > Licensing and Branding Issues
>>> >
>>> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
>>> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
>>> the
>>> > ticket remains open.
>>> >
>>> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
>>> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and
>>> added
>>> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues
>>> from
>>> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF
>>> requirements and
>>> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
>>> >
>>> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
>>> >
>>> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
>>> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
>>> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
>>> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
>>> Apache
>>> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
>>> Based
>>> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I
>>> believe
>>> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
>>> > when
>>> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
>>> will
>>> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
>>> completed.
>>> >
>>> > Chair for Project
>>> >
>>> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered
>>> by the
>>> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based
>>> on
>>> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
>>> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
>>> >
>>> > References:
>>> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
>>> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
>>> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
>>> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
>>> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
>>> > [6]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
>>> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
>>> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
>>> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
>>> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
>>> >
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Marco de Abreu <ma...@apache.org>.
I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from the
back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an
opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.
Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right
process?
-Marco
On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a
> resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet
> project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members
> of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and
> I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a
> member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that
> would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please
> respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the
> resolution.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
>> chair!
>>
>> -Marco
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > BCC'ing all mentors
>> >
>> > Hi MXNet Community,
>> >
>> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
>> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
>> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
>> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
>> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute
>> to
>> > the project.
>> >
>> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet
>> (incubating)
>> > project and community since entering the incubator:
>> >
>> > Community
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
>> > members to 50
>> > -
>> >
>> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
>> bringing
>> > the total number of committers to 86
>> > -
>> >
>> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
>> > -
>> >
>> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
>> > major
>> > project discussions happen there.
>> >
>> > Project
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance
>> issues
>> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
>> > -
>> >
>> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
>> > requirements[5]
>> > -
>> >
>> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
>> >
>> > Concerns
>> >
>> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I
>> did
>> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
>> project
>> > in the past.
>> >
>> > Licensing and Branding Issues
>> >
>> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
>> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
>> the
>> > ticket remains open.
>> >
>> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
>> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and
>> added
>> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
>> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements
>> and
>> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
>> >
>> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
>> >
>> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
>> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
>> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
>> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
>> Apache
>> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
>> Based
>> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I
>> believe
>> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
>> > when
>> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
>> will
>> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
>> completed.
>> >
>> > Chair for Project
>> >
>> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by
>> the
>> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
>> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
>> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
>> >
>> >
>> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
>> >
>> > References:
>> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
>> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
>> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
>> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
>> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
>> > [6]
>> >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
>> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
>> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
>> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
>> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
>> >
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com>.
+CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
Hi MXNet Community,
Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a
resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet
project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members
of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and
I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a
member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that
would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please
respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the
resolution.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
> chair!
>
> -Marco
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BCC'ing all mentors
> >
> > Hi MXNet Community,
> >
> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> > the project.
> >
> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> > project and community since entering the incubator:
> >
> > Community
> >
> > -
> >
> > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> > members to 50
> > -
> >
> > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
> bringing
> > the total number of committers to 86
> > -
> >
> > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> > -
> >
> > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> > major
> > project discussions happen there.
> >
> > Project
> >
> > -
> >
> > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> > -
> >
> > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> > requirements[5]
> > -
> >
> > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
> >
> > Concerns
> >
> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
> project
> > in the past.
> >
> > Licensing and Branding Issues
> >
> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
> the
> > ticket remains open.
> >
> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements
> and
> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
> >
> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
> >
> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
> Apache
> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
> Based
> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> > when
> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
> will
> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
> completed.
> >
> > Chair for Project
> >
> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by
> the
> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
> >
> >
> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > References:
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> > [6]
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Marco de Abreu <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1
Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
chair!
-Marco
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BCC'ing all mentors
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
> 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
> Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
> maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
> developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to
> the project.
>
> Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating)
> project and community since entering the incubator:
>
> Community
>
> -
>
> 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
> members to 50
> -
>
> 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing
> the total number of committers to 86
> -
>
> The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
> -
>
> The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
> major
> project discussions happen there.
>
> Project
>
> -
>
> 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues
> have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
> -
>
> MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
> requirements[5]
> -
>
> MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
>
> Concerns
>
> Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did
> want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project
> in the past.
>
> Licensing and Branding Issues
>
> The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
> ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the
> ticket remains open.
>
> We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
> release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added
> automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
> being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and
> have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
>
> Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
>
> Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
> Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
> source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
> wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache
> 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based
> on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe
> we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
> when
> the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will
> get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed.
>
> Chair for Project
>
> In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the
> Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
> his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
> nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
>
>
> This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
>
> References:
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
> [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
> [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
> [6]
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
> [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
> [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
>