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Posted to dev@tapestry.apache.org by Geoff Longman <gl...@gmail.com> on 2006/03/02 14:22:19 UTC
Forms, rewind and T5
I've been looking a XForms for a project at work and it occured to me
that the approach taken there might be applied to T5 and the "i hate
the rewind" problem.
Of course, no browser supports XForms natively but there are examples
where people have gotten around this using ajax. It's quite cool.
examples:
http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-excited
http://www.formfaces.com/faces/Examples/index.html
More about xforms:
http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/reference-xforms-ng
Geoff
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Re: Forms, rewind and T5
Posted by Geoff Longman <gl...@gmail.com>.
Well, the only thing I saw as a boon to you, Jesse, with the submit
being in an xml format is that browser side ajax components could add
things to the form.
Like an "Add comment" button - js generates an input field that
'extends' the form document.
The devil is in the details of course but I think that at least good
ideas can come from looking at XForms.
Geoff
On 3/2/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think all the functionality provided in the demos I've seen is already
> going to be provided in tap 4.1, just with better components ;)
>
> They do look cool though. It's debatable whether or not the data in the
> forms should be stored as full fledged xml documents. Maybe it's a good open
> way to provide access to it, I just don't like the idea of inefficiences it
> might entail. The data is already "in the forms" in most instances, but it
> could be a good idea...
>
> The whatwg site seems to be down, but I know the w3c is trying to establish
> the next wave of support for these things here
> http://www.w3.org/2006/webapi/.
>
> Still, I do very much like the idea of the data being easily available in a
> standard format on the client. We'll have to see if a client side api can
> make this more usable, or if a universal document format is better?
>
> jesse
>
> On 3/2/06, Geoff Longman <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Full support for XForms would be cool but I was thinking more of
> > loking at the idea that the browser posts the form tree (the model in
> > XForms)
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > On 3/2/06, Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > Wow.......
> > > And this is currently available as a server engine....
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ing. Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
> > > DTQ Software
> > >
> > >
> > > Geoff Longman wrote:
> > > > I've been looking a XForms for a project at work and it occured to me
> > > > that the approach taken there might be applied to T5 and the "i hate
> > > > the rewind" problem.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, no browser supports XForms natively but there are examples
> > > > where people have gotten around this using ajax. It's quite cool.
> > > >
> > > > examples:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-excited
> > > >
> > > > http://www.formfaces.com/faces/Examples/index.html
> > > >
> > > > More about xforms:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/reference-xforms-ng
> > > >
> > > > Geoff
> > > >
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Re: Forms, rewind and T5
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
I think all the functionality provided in the demos I've seen is already
going to be provided in tap 4.1, just with better components ;)
They do look cool though. It's debatable whether or not the data in the
forms should be stored as full fledged xml documents. Maybe it's a good open
way to provide access to it, I just don't like the idea of inefficiences it
might entail. The data is already "in the forms" in most instances, but it
could be a good idea...
The whatwg site seems to be down, but I know the w3c is trying to establish
the next wave of support for these things here
http://www.w3.org/2006/webapi/.
Still, I do very much like the idea of the data being easily available in a
standard format on the client. We'll have to see if a client side api can
make this more usable, or if a universal document format is better?
jesse
On 3/2/06, Geoff Longman <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Full support for XForms would be cool but I was thinking more of
> loking at the idea that the browser posts the form tree (the model in
> XForms)
>
> Geoff
>
> On 3/2/06, Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com> wrote:
> > Wow.......
> > And this is currently available as a server engine....
> >
> > --
> > Ing. Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
> > DTQ Software
> >
> >
> > Geoff Longman wrote:
> > > I've been looking a XForms for a project at work and it occured to me
> > > that the approach taken there might be applied to T5 and the "i hate
> > > the rewind" problem.
> > >
> > > Of course, no browser supports XForms natively but there are examples
> > > where people have gotten around this using ajax. It's quite cool.
> > >
> > > examples:
> > >
> > > http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-excited
> > >
> > > http://www.formfaces.com/faces/Examples/index.html
> > >
> > > More about xforms:
> > >
> > > http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/reference-xforms-ng
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --
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Re: Forms, rewind and T5
Posted by Geoff Longman <gl...@gmail.com>.
Full support for XForms would be cool but I was thinking more of
loking at the idea that the browser posts the form tree (the model in
XForms)
Geoff
On 3/2/06, Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com> wrote:
> Wow.......
> And this is currently available as a server engine....
>
> --
> Ing. Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
> DTQ Software
>
>
> Geoff Longman wrote:
> > I've been looking a XForms for a project at work and it occured to me
> > that the approach taken there might be applied to T5 and the "i hate
> > the rewind" problem.
> >
> > Of course, no browser supports XForms natively but there are examples
> > where people have gotten around this using ajax. It's quite cool.
> >
> > examples:
> >
> > http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-excited
> >
> > http://www.formfaces.com/faces/Examples/index.html
> >
> > More about xforms:
> >
> > http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/reference-xforms-ng
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --
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Re: Forms, rewind and T5
Posted by Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi <le...@dtqsoftware.com>.
Wow.......
And this is currently available as a server engine....
--
Ing. Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
DTQ Software
Geoff Longman wrote:
> I've been looking a XForms for a project at work and it occured to me
> that the approach taken there might be applied to T5 and the "i hate
> the rewind" problem.
>
> Of course, no browser supports XForms natively but there are examples
> where people have gotten around this using ajax. It's quite cool.
>
> examples:
>
> http://www.orbeon.com/software/get-excited
>
> http://www.formfaces.com/faces/Examples/index.html
>
> More about xforms:
>
> http://www.orbeon.com/ops/doc/reference-xforms-ng
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> The Spindle guy. http://spindle.sf.net
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