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Posted to dev@community.apache.org by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> on 2011/05/16 18:36:50 UTC
Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
A number of different issues recently about commercial influence in our
projects have had me thinking about the importance that Apache projects
are managed independently. Since this isn't explicitly stated in the
obvious places, I wrote a little essay for my personal blog:
http://communityovercode.com/2011/05/apache-projects-are-independent/
Comments? I think as the ASF grows up, and as some of our projects are
on the way to scoring mega stardom, it's important to ensure both that
our projects can continue to manage themselves independently, but also
to *explain* to the world that this is important to us, and why.
Do people like this? Where would be a good place to put it in /dev or
the community site as a requirement for Apache projects? I think it's
clear that the board (past, present, and future) will expect projects to
be managed independently, but it's not clear that we've done a good
enough job of explaining this yet.
- Shane
Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
There are some minor English language issues, like agreement in
number. Sean, do you want edits?
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> +! reads well and clarifies some useful points we often take for
> granted.
>
> Upayavira
>
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 12:58 -0400, "Michael McCandless"
> <lu...@mikemccandless.com> wrote:
>> +1 this is an important topic and you explain it well.
>>
>> I'm not sure where it should go but I agree it should be somewhere
>> "permanent" and visible.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> http://blog.mikemccandless.com
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
>> wrote:
>> > A number of different issues recently about commercial influence in our
>> > projects have had me thinking about the importance that Apache projects
>> > are managed independently. Since this isn't explicitly stated in the
>> > obvious places, I wrote a little essay for my personal blog:
>> >
>> > http://communityovercode.com/2011/05/apache-projects-are-independent/
>> >
>> > Comments? I think as the ASF grows up, and as some of our projects are
>> > on the way to scoring mega stardom, it's important to ensure both that
>> > our projects can continue to manage themselves independently, but also
>> > to *explain* to the world that this is important to us, and why.
>> >
>> > Do people like this? Where would be a good place to put it in /dev or
>> > the community site as a requirement for Apache projects? I think it's
>> > clear that the board (past, present, and future) will expect projects to
>> > be managed independently, but it's not clear that we've done a good
>> > enough job of explaining this yet.
>> >
>> > - Shane
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
+! reads well and clarifies some useful points we often take for
granted.
Upayavira
On Mon, 16 May 2011 12:58 -0400, "Michael McCandless"
<lu...@mikemccandless.com> wrote:
> +1 this is an important topic and you explain it well.
>
> I'm not sure where it should go but I agree it should be somewhere
> "permanent" and visible.
>
> Mike
>
> http://blog.mikemccandless.com
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
> wrote:
> > A number of different issues recently about commercial influence in our
> > projects have had me thinking about the importance that Apache projects
> > are managed independently. Since this isn't explicitly stated in the
> > obvious places, I wrote a little essay for my personal blog:
> >
> > http://communityovercode.com/2011/05/apache-projects-are-independent/
> >
> > Comments? I think as the ASF grows up, and as some of our projects are
> > on the way to scoring mega stardom, it's important to ensure both that
> > our projects can continue to manage themselves independently, but also
> > to *explain* to the world that this is important to us, and why.
> >
> > Do people like this? Where would be a good place to put it in /dev or
> > the community site as a requirement for Apache projects? I think it's
> > clear that the board (past, present, and future) will expect projects to
> > be managed independently, but it's not clear that we've done a good
> > enough job of explaining this yet.
> >
> > - Shane
> >
> >
>
Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
Posted by Michael McCandless <lu...@mikemccandless.com>.
+1 this is an important topic and you explain it well.
I'm not sure where it should go but I agree it should be somewhere
"permanent" and visible.
Mike
http://blog.mikemccandless.com
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> A number of different issues recently about commercial influence in our
> projects have had me thinking about the importance that Apache projects
> are managed independently. Since this isn't explicitly stated in the
> obvious places, I wrote a little essay for my personal blog:
>
> http://communityovercode.com/2011/05/apache-projects-are-independent/
>
> Comments? I think as the ASF grows up, and as some of our projects are
> on the way to scoring mega stardom, it's important to ensure both that
> our projects can continue to manage themselves independently, but also
> to *explain* to the world that this is important to us, and why.
>
> Do people like this? Where would be a good place to put it in /dev or
> the community site as a requirement for Apache projects? I think it's
> clear that the board (past, present, and future) will expect projects to
> be managed independently, but it's not clear that we've done a good
> enough job of explaining this yet.
>
> - Shane
>
>
Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Bruno P. Kinoshita
<br...@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> ...I think there is a typo in http://community.apache.org/. Under "Event organisers and speakers", there is a "[...] will fined our speakers section useful."...
Fixed, thanks!
-Bertrand
Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)
On 18 May 2011, at 00:53, "Bruno P. Kinoshita" <br...@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> I think there is a typo in http://community.apache.org/. Under "Event organisers and speakers", there is a "[...] will fined our speakers section useful.".
Thanks. I see Bertrand has already fixed it for us.
> I'm new to Apache community and liked the new structure of the site :)
Again, thanks for the feedback.
Any further input, suggestions, patches etc. are very welcome.
Ross
>
> Cheers,
> Bruno
>
> --- Em ter, 17/5/11, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org> escreveu:
>
>> De: Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>
>> Assunto: Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
>> Para: dev@community.apache.org
>> Data: Terça-feira, 17 de Maio de 2011, 20:24
>> On 17/05/2011 14:08, Ross Gardler
>> wrote:
>>> On 16/05/2011 17:36, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>>>> A number of different issues recently about
>> commercial influence in our
>>>> projects have had me thinking about the importance
>> that Apache projects
>>>> are managed independently. Since this isn't
>> explicitly stated in the
>>>> obvious places, I wrote a little essay for my
>> personal blog:
>>>>
>>>> http://communityovercode.com/2011/05/apache-projects-are-independent/
>>>>
>>>> Comments? I think as the ASF grows up, and as some
>> of our projects are
>>>> on the way to scoring mega stardom, it's important
>> to ensure both that
>>>> our projects can continue to manage themselves
>> independently, but also
>>>> to *explain* to the world that this is important
>> to us, and why.
>>>>
>>>> Do people like this? Where would be a good place
>> to put it in /dev or
>>>> the community site as a requirement for Apache
>> projects?
>>
>> I've now restructured the site as described below. I'd
>> therefore say
>> that this content should go under "committers" but be
>> linked from both
>> the contributors index page [1] and the committers index
>> page [2].
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> [1] http://community.apache.org/contributors/index.html
>> [2] http://community.apache.org/committers/index.html
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I like it and it seems others do too. I propose
>> adding a section
>>> that says.
>>>
>>> I propose changing the "Starting Points" section of
>> the homepage to just
>>> have the following entry points:
>>>
>>> * Newcomers
>>> * Contributors
>>> * Committers
>>> * Event organisers and speakers
>>>
>>> These will lead to index pages with info such as:
>>>
>>> Newcomers:
>>> mentoring programme
>>> newbie faq
>>> local mentors
>>>
>>> Contributors
>>> independence
>>> Apache Way
>>> foundation
>>>
>>> Committers
>>> Independence
>>> Being a mentor
>>>
>>> Event organisers and speakers
>>> Local speaker app
>>> Slidedecks
>>> Concom
>>>
>>> of course others are welcome to start work on this, or
>> similar)
>>>
>>> Ross
>>
>>
Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
Posted by "Bruno P. Kinoshita" <br...@yahoo.com.br>.
Hi Ross,
I think there is a typo in http://community.apache.org/. Under "Event organisers and speakers", there is a "[...] will fined our speakers section useful.".
I'm new to Apache community and liked the new structure of the site :)
Cheers,
Bruno
--- Em ter, 17/5/11, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org> escreveu:
> De: Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>
> Assunto: Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
> Para: dev@community.apache.org
> Data: Terça-feira, 17 de Maio de 2011, 20:24
> On 17/05/2011 14:08, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
> > On 16/05/2011 17:36, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> >> A number of different issues recently about
> commercial influence in our
> >> projects have had me thinking about the importance
> that Apache projects
> >> are managed independently. Since this isn't
> explicitly stated in the
> >> obvious places, I wrote a little essay for my
> personal blog:
> >>
> >> http://communityovercode.com/2011/05/apache-projects-are-independent/
> >>
> >> Comments? I think as the ASF grows up, and as some
> of our projects are
> >> on the way to scoring mega stardom, it's important
> to ensure both that
> >> our projects can continue to manage themselves
> independently, but also
> >> to *explain* to the world that this is important
> to us, and why.
> >>
> >> Do people like this? Where would be a good place
> to put it in /dev or
> >> the community site as a requirement for Apache
> projects?
>
> I've now restructured the site as described below. I'd
> therefore say
> that this content should go under "committers" but be
> linked from both
> the contributors index page [1] and the committers index
> page [2].
>
> Ross
>
> [1] http://community.apache.org/contributors/index.html
> [2] http://community.apache.org/committers/index.html
>
> >
> > Yes, I like it and it seems others do too. I propose
> adding a section
> > that says.
> >
> > I propose changing the "Starting Points" section of
> the homepage to just
> > have the following entry points:
> >
> > * Newcomers
> > * Contributors
> > * Committers
> > * Event organisers and speakers
> >
> > These will lead to index pages with info such as:
> >
> > Newcomers:
> > mentoring programme
> > newbie faq
> > local mentors
> >
> > Contributors
> > independence
> > Apache Way
> > foundation
> >
> > Committers
> > Independence
> > Being a mentor
> >
> > Event organisers and speakers
> > Local speaker app
> > Slidedecks
> > Concom
> >
> > of course others are welcome to start work on this, or
> similar)
> >
> > Ross
>
>
Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
On 17/05/2011 14:08, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 16/05/2011 17:36, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>> A number of different issues recently about commercial influence in our
>> projects have had me thinking about the importance that Apache projects
>> are managed independently. Since this isn't explicitly stated in the
>> obvious places, I wrote a little essay for my personal blog:
>>
>> http://communityovercode.com/2011/05/apache-projects-are-independent/
>>
>> Comments? I think as the ASF grows up, and as some of our projects are
>> on the way to scoring mega stardom, it's important to ensure both that
>> our projects can continue to manage themselves independently, but also
>> to *explain* to the world that this is important to us, and why.
>>
>> Do people like this? Where would be a good place to put it in /dev or
>> the community site as a requirement for Apache projects?
I've now restructured the site as described below. I'd therefore say
that this content should go under "committers" but be linked from both
the contributors index page [1] and the committers index page [2].
Ross
[1] http://community.apache.org/contributors/index.html
[2] http://community.apache.org/committers/index.html
>
> Yes, I like it and it seems others do too. I propose adding a section
> that says.
>
> I propose changing the "Starting Points" section of the homepage to just
> have the following entry points:
>
> * Newcomers
> * Contributors
> * Committers
> * Event organisers and speakers
>
> These will lead to index pages with info such as:
>
> Newcomers:
> mentoring programme
> newbie faq
> local mentors
>
> Contributors
> independence
> Apache Way
> foundation
>
> Committers
> Independence
> Being a mentor
>
> Event organisers and speakers
> Local speaker app
> Slidedecks
> Concom
>
> of course others are welcome to start work on this, or similar)
>
> Ross
Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
On 16/05/2011 17:36, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> A number of different issues recently about commercial influence in our
> projects have had me thinking about the importance that Apache projects
> are managed independently. Since this isn't explicitly stated in the
> obvious places, I wrote a little essay for my personal blog:
>
> http://communityovercode.com/2011/05/apache-projects-are-independent/
>
> Comments? I think as the ASF grows up, and as some of our projects are
> on the way to scoring mega stardom, it's important to ensure both that
> our projects can continue to manage themselves independently, but also
> to *explain* to the world that this is important to us, and why.
>
> Do people like this? Where would be a good place to put it in /dev or
> the community site as a requirement for Apache projects?
Yes, I like it and it seems others do too. I propose adding a section
that says.
I propose changing the "Starting Points" section of the homepage to just
have the following entry points:
* Newcomers
* Contributors
* Committers
* Event organisers and speakers
These will lead to index pages with info such as:
Newcomers:
mentoring programme
newbie faq
local mentors
Contributors
independence
Apache Way
foundation
Committers
Independence
Being a mentor
Event organisers and speakers
Local speaker app
Slidedecks
Concom
of course others are welcome to start work on this, or similar)
Ross