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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Thilo Goetz <tw...@gmx.de> on 2008/05/14 13:45:15 UTC
Hama proposal, was: [VOTE] Accept Hama into the Incubator
Edward J. Yoon wrote:
[...]
> == Core Developers ==
>
> The initial set of committers includes folks from the
> [http://hadoop.apache.org Hadoop] & [http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase
> Hbase] communities. We have varying degrees of experience with
> Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF
> Members.
Hi Edward,
can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
members? Maybe you meant committers?
Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
they can just ask to become IPMC members.
HTH,
Thilo
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Re: Hama proposal, was: [VOTE] Accept Hama into the Incubator
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@udanax.org>.
> I think you'll find it difficult to obtain 3 binding +1s until
> you have enough (at least 2) Mentors. If you, Jeff and Ian
> already are Apache Members this will be very easy and there's
> no reason to delay the vote, IMHO.
Thank you for your opinion.
I would like to continue this proposal; Ian and Jeff already made a
good offer of assistance even if there is no qualifications.
Thanks,
Edward
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Thilo Goetz <tw...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Edward J. Yoon wrote:
> >
> > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
> > >
> >
> > Oh... Thank you for your advice.
> > Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay the
> vote?
> >
> >
>
> I think you'll find it difficult to obtain 3 binding +1s until
> you have enough (at least 2) Mentors. If you, Jeff and Ian
> already are Apache Members this will be very easy and there's
> no reason to delay the vote, IMHO.
>
> And just to be perfectly clear, when I say Apache Member, I
> mean in the sense of
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#asf-members
>
> Description of the Mentor role is here:
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor
>
> --Thilo
>
>
>
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Re: Hama proposal, was: [VOTE] Accept Hama into the Incubator
Posted by Thilo Goetz <tw...@gmx.de>.
Edward J. Yoon wrote:
>> Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
>> any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
>> they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>
> Oh... Thank you for your advice.
> Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay the vote?
>
I think you'll find it difficult to obtain 3 binding +1s until
you have enough (at least 2) Mentors. If you, Jeff and Ian
already are Apache Members this will be very easy and there's
no reason to delay the vote, IMHO.
And just to be perfectly clear, when I say Apache Member, I
mean in the sense of
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#asf-members
Description of the Mentor role is here:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor
--Thilo
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Re: Hama proposal, was: [VOTE] Accept Hama into the Incubator
Posted by Jeff Eastman <je...@windwardsolutions.com>.
Niall Pemberton wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Jeff Eastman
> <je...@windwardsolutions.com> wrote:
>
>> Niall Pemberton wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh, Sorry for our carelessness.
>>>> We clearly overlooked the mention of the champion/mentor
>>>>
>> qualifications.
>>
>>>> > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
>>>> > members? Maybe you meant committers?
>>>>
>>>> I have amended it as follows:
>>>> "initial set of Hama committers"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
>>>> > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
>>>> > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>>>>
>>>> They'are Apache members, but not a member of Incubator PMC.
>>>> Then, I wonder whether this proposal should be continued without
>>>> champion/mentors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ian Holsman is an Apache member and can become a member of the
>>> Incubator PMC by simply sending a request to the Incubator PMC chair.
>>> Jeff doesn't appear to be an Apache member
>>>
>>> Niall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -Edward
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org>
>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
>>>> > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
>>>> > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>>>> >
>>>> > Oh... Thank you for your advice.
>>>> > Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay
>>>>
>> the vote?
>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Edward
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Thilo Goetz <tw...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>> > > Edward J. Yoon wrote:
>>>> > > [...]
>>>> > > > == Core Developers ==
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > The initial set of committers includes folks from the
>>>> > > > [http://hadoop.apache.org Hadoop] &
>>>>
>> [http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase
>>
>>>> > > > Hbase] communities. We have varying degrees of experience with
>>>> > > > Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF
>>>> > > > Members.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hi Edward,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
>>>> > > members? Maybe you meant committers?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
>>>> > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
>>>> > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > HTH,
>>>> > > Thilo
>>>>
>> Actually, I'm a (recent) committer on the Mahout project. As such, I do not
>> have much familiarity with the mechanics of being a champion but I'm willing
>> to learn.
>>
>
> OK but I think you're mis-understanding - committer is not the same as
> member of the ASF:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>
> Niall
>
>
>> Jeff
>> jeastman at apache dot org
>>
>
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Yes, we were both confused by that distinction. My apologies.
Jeff
Re: Hama proposal, was: [VOTE] Accept Hama into the Incubator
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Jeff Eastman
<je...@windwardsolutions.com> wrote:
>
> Niall Pemberton wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Oh, Sorry for our carelessness.
> > > We clearly overlooked the mention of the champion/mentor
> qualifications.
> > >
> > >
> > > > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
> > > > members? Maybe you meant committers?
> > >
> > > I have amended it as follows:
> > > "initial set of Hama committers"
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> > > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> > > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
> > >
> > > They'are Apache members, but not a member of Incubator PMC.
> > > Then, I wonder whether this proposal should be continued without
> > > champion/mentors.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Ian Holsman is an Apache member and can become a member of the
> > Incubator PMC by simply sending a request to the Incubator PMC chair.
> > Jeff doesn't appear to be an Apache member
> >
> > Niall
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Edward
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> > > > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> > > > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
> > > >
> > > > Oh... Thank you for your advice.
> > > > Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay
> the vote?
> > > >
> > > > Edward
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Thilo Goetz <tw...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > > > Edward J. Yoon wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > == Core Developers ==
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The initial set of committers includes folks from the
> > > > > > [http://hadoop.apache.org Hadoop] &
> [http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase
> > > > > > Hbase] communities. We have varying degrees of experience with
> > > > > > Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF
> > > > > > Members.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Edward,
> > > > >
> > > > > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
> > > > > members? Maybe you meant committers?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> > > > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> > > > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH,
> > > > > Thilo
> >
> Actually, I'm a (recent) committer on the Mahout project. As such, I do not
> have much familiarity with the mechanics of being a champion but I'm willing
> to learn.
OK but I think you're mis-understanding - committer is not the same as
member of the ASF:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
Niall
> Jeff
> jeastman at apache dot org
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Re: Hama proposal, was: [VOTE] Accept Hama into the Incubator
Posted by Jeff Eastman <je...@windwardsolutions.com>.
Niall Pemberton wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
>
>> Oh, Sorry for our carelessness.
>> We clearly overlooked the mention of the champion/mentor qualifications.
>>
>>
>> > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
>> > members? Maybe you meant committers?
>>
>> I have amended it as follows:
>> "initial set of Hama committers"
>>
>>
>> > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
>> > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
>> > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>>
>> They'are Apache members, but not a member of Incubator PMC.
>> Then, I wonder whether this proposal should be continued without
>> champion/mentors.
>>
>
> Ian Holsman is an Apache member and can become a member of the
> Incubator PMC by simply sending a request to the Incubator PMC chair.
> Jeff doesn't appear to be an Apache member
>
> Niall
>
>
>> -Edward
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
>> > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
>> > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
>> > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>> >
>> > Oh... Thank you for your advice.
>> > Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay the vote?
>> >
>> > Edward
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Thilo Goetz <tw...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> > > Edward J. Yoon wrote:
>> > > [...]
>> > > > == Core Developers ==
>> > > >
>> > > > The initial set of committers includes folks from the
>> > > > [http://hadoop.apache.org Hadoop] & [http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase
>> > > > Hbase] communities. We have varying degrees of experience with
>> > > > Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF
>> > > > Members.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi Edward,
>> > >
>> > > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
>> > > members? Maybe you meant committers?
>> > >
>> > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
>> > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
>> > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>> > >
>> > > HTH,
>> > > Thilo
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > B. Regards,
>> > Edward J. Yoon,
>> > http://blog.udanax.org
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> B. Regards,
>> Edward J. Yoon,
>> http://blog.udanax.org
>>
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Actually, I'm a (recent) committer on the Mahout project. As such, I do
not have much familiarity with the mechanics of being a champion but I'm
willing to learn.
Jeff
jeastman at apache dot org
Re: Hama proposal, was: [VOTE] Accept Hama into the Incubator
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
> Oh, Sorry for our carelessness.
> We clearly overlooked the mention of the champion/mentor qualifications.
>
>
> > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
> > members? Maybe you meant committers?
>
> I have amended it as follows:
> "initial set of Hama committers"
>
>
> > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>
> They'are Apache members, but not a member of Incubator PMC.
> Then, I wonder whether this proposal should be continued without
> champion/mentors.
Ian Holsman is an Apache member and can become a member of the
Incubator PMC by simply sending a request to the Incubator PMC chair.
Jeff doesn't appear to be an Apache member
Niall
> -Edward
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
> > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
> >
> > Oh... Thank you for your advice.
> > Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay the vote?
> >
> > Edward
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Thilo Goetz <tw...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > Edward J. Yoon wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > == Core Developers ==
> > > >
> > > > The initial set of committers includes folks from the
> > > > [http://hadoop.apache.org Hadoop] & [http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase
> > > > Hbase] communities. We have varying degrees of experience with
> > > > Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF
> > > > Members.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Edward,
> > >
> > > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
> > > members? Maybe you meant committers?
> > >
> > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> > > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > Thilo
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > B. Regards,
> > Edward J. Yoon,
> > http://blog.udanax.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> B. Regards,
> Edward J. Yoon,
> http://blog.udanax.org
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Re: Hama proposal, was: [VOTE] Accept Hama into the Incubator
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@udanax.org>.
Oh, Sorry for our carelessness.
We clearly overlooked the mention of the champion/mentor qualifications.
> can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
> members? Maybe you meant committers?
I have amended it as follows:
"initial set of Hama committers"
> Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> they can just ask to become IPMC members.
They'are Apache members, but not a member of Incubator PMC.
Then, I wonder whether this proposal should be continued without
champion/mentors.
-Edward
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
> > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>
> Oh... Thank you for your advice.
> Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay the vote?
>
> Edward
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Thilo Goetz <tw...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Edward J. Yoon wrote:
> > [...]
> > > == Core Developers ==
> > >
> > > The initial set of committers includes folks from the
> > > [http://hadoop.apache.org Hadoop] & [http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase
> > > Hbase] communities. We have varying degrees of experience with
> > > Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF
> > > Members.
> > >
> >
> > Hi Edward,
> >
> > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
> > members? Maybe you meant committers?
> >
> > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> > any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Thilo
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> --
> B. Regards,
> Edward J. Yoon,
> http://blog.udanax.org
>
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Re: Hama proposal, was: [VOTE] Accept Hama into the Incubator
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@udanax.org>.
> Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> they can just ask to become IPMC members.
Oh... Thank you for your advice.
Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay the vote?
Edward
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Thilo Goetz <tw...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Edward J. Yoon wrote:
> [...]
> > == Core Developers ==
> >
> > The initial set of committers includes folks from the
> > [http://hadoop.apache.org Hadoop] & [http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase
> > Hbase] communities. We have varying degrees of experience with
> > Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF
> > Members.
> >
>
> Hi Edward,
>
> can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
> members? Maybe you meant committers?
>
> Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member. Not sure
> any of your proposed mentors are. If they're Apache members,
> they can just ask to become IPMC members.
>
> HTH,
> Thilo
>
>
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