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Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
Greetings All;
I have been trying to create a new ODM file for the 4.1 Getting Started
Guide and have hit a roadblock. I am having serious system problems and
AOO will no longer create a TOC that creates the proper links to the
rest of the document. This is trying to verify that the cross references
that Jean found with the last pdf are taken care of.
If one of you could do this it would be greatly appreciated so we can
this this published finally.
Regards
Keith
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RE: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
Posted by Dennis Hamilton <or...@msn.com>.
Correction: I think you need to satisfy yourself with something that works now.
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From: Dennis Hamilton <or...@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 08:51
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
I think you need to satisfy yourself with something that works no. Finding a developer who understands this part of ODF and the ODM implementation and who also has time to contribute to it for Apache OpenOffice seems pretty chancy. I presume you can check with the AOO PMC about what the priority efforts are.
I notice that the ODF specifications, some of which are hefty, are produced in ODT alone and from there to PDT and HTML. (The 4-part ODF 1.3 specifications were produced using LibreOffice 6.4.5.2 but still not ODM 😊.) They handle cross-referencing among the different parts by linking to and among the HTML versions on the OASIS Open web site.
That ambitious use of ODF is probably useful guidance. I haven't looked at the documentation effort of LibreOffice for some time. Jean Weber can speak to how that production is organized.
- Dennis
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From: Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 07:56
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
[orcmid] [ ... ]
It is not so much that I have given up on ODM's, but that I am frustrated that they are not working properly.
They should be the easiest way to compile multi-chapter books, yet with bugs like this they are useless. I found an open bug that addresses the problem and submitted a tripped down version of the Getting Started guide and will also up the priority on it to hopefully get it fixed.
Regards
Keith
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Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
Posted by Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com>.
LO developers finally fixed that master doc bug (inherited from OO) a few
(2? 3?) years ago.
Jean
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 at 01:51 Dennis Hamilton <or...@msn.com> wrote:
> That ambitious use of ODF is probably useful guidance. I haven't looked
> at the documentation effort of LibreOffice for some time. Jean Weber can
> speak to how that production is organized.
>
> - Dennis
>
>
> Keith wrote:
>
> I found an open bug that addresses the problem and submitted a tripped
> down version of the Getting Started guide and will also up the priority on
> it to hopefully get it fixed.
>
>
RE: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
Posted by Dennis Hamilton <or...@msn.com>.
I think you need to satisfy yourself with something that works no. Finding a developer who understands this part of ODF and the ODM implementation and who also has time to contribute to it for Apache OpenOffice seems pretty chancy. I presume you can check with the AOO PMC about what the priority efforts are.
I notice that the ODF specifications, some of which are hefty, are produced in ODT alone and from there to PDT and HTML. (The 4-part ODF 1.3 specifications were produced using LibreOffice 6.4.5.2 but still not ODM 😊.) They handle cross-referencing among the different parts by linking to and among the HTML versions on the OASIS Open web site.
That ambitious use of ODF is probably useful guidance. I haven't looked at the documentation effort of LibreOffice for some time. Jean Weber can speak to how that production is organized.
- Dennis
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From: Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 07:56
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
[orcmid] [ ... ]
It is not so much that I have given up on ODM's, but that I am frustrated that they are not working properly.
They should be the easiest way to compile multi-chapter books, yet with bugs like this they are useless. I found an open bug that addresses the problem and submitted a tripped down version of the Getting Started guide and will also up the priority on it to hopefully get it fixed.
Regards
Keith
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Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Dick Groskamp wrote:
> Op 15-9-2022 om 03:26 schreef Keith N. McKenna:
>> Jean Weber wrote:
>>> As I’ve said before, a bug in AOO means that a book created using a
>>> master
>>> doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will
>>> have some
>>> incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions. More reliable to
>>> use an ODT for the front matter and then copy and paste from chapter
>>> files
>>> to make a book.
>>> Jean
>>>
>> Thanks Jean. I will start on that tomorrow. I will also try to track
>> down the bug and see if I can raise the priority to get it fixed.
>>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 03:41 Keith N. McKenna
>>> <ke...@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings All;
>>>>
>>>> I have been trying to create a new ODM file for the 4.1 Getting Started
>>>> Guide and have hit a roadblock. I am having serious system problems and
>>>> AOO will no longer create a TOC that creates the proper links to the
>>>> rest of the document. This is trying to verify that the cross
>>>> references
>>>> that Jean found with the last pdf are taken care of.
>>>>
>>>> If one of you could do this it would be greatly appreciated so we can
>>>> this this published finally.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Keith,
>
> you don't need to blame yourself. I've also given up on the ODM.
>
> As Jean says: "a bug in AOO means that a book created using a master
> doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will have some
> incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions."
>
> I've created Dutch odms in the past and never came across this. For now
> I've tried several times and ultimately gave up on it.
>
> Importing all chapters into one .odt works for me
>
Dick;
It is not so much that I have given up on ODM's, but that I am
frustrated that they are not working properly.
They should be the easiest way to compile multi-chapter books, yet with
bugs like this they are useless. I found an open bug that addresses the
problem and submitted a tripped down version of the Getting Started
guide and will also up the priority on it to hopefully get it fixed.
Regards
Keith
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Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
Posted by Dick Groskamp <th...@quicknet.nl.INVALID>.
Op 15-9-2022 om 03:26 schreef Keith N. McKenna:
> Jean Weber wrote:
>> As I’ve said before, a bug in AOO means that a book created using a
>> master
>> doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will
>> have some
>> incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions. More reliable to
>> use an ODT for the front matter and then copy and paste from chapter
>> files
>> to make a book.
>> Jean
>>
> Thanks Jean. I will start on that tomorrow. I will also try to track
> down the bug and see if I can raise the priority to get it fixed.
>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 03:41 Keith N. McKenna
>> <ke...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings All;
>>>
>>> I have been trying to create a new ODM file for the 4.1 Getting Started
>>> Guide and have hit a roadblock. I am having serious system problems and
>>> AOO will no longer create a TOC that creates the proper links to the
>>> rest of the document. This is trying to verify that the cross
>>> references
>>> that Jean found with the last pdf are taken care of.
>>>
>>> If one of you could do this it would be greatly appreciated so we can
>>> this this published finally.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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Keith,
you don't need to blame yourself. I've also given up on the ODM.
As Jean says: "a bug in AOO means that a book created using a master
doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will have some
incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions."
I've created Dutch odms in the past and never came across this. For now
I've tried several times and ultimately gave up on it.
Importing all chapters into one .odt works for me
--
DiGro
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Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Jean Weber wrote:
> As I’ve said before, a bug in AOO means that a book created using a master
> doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will have some
> incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions. More reliable to
> use an ODT for the front matter and then copy and paste from chapter files
> to make a book.
> Jean
>
Thanks Jean. I will start on that tomorrow. I will also try to track
down the bug and see if I can raise the priority to get it fixed.
Regards
Keith
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 03:41 Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings All;
>>
>> I have been trying to create a new ODM file for the 4.1 Getting Started
>> Guide and have hit a roadblock. I am having serious system problems and
>> AOO will no longer create a TOC that creates the proper links to the
>> rest of the document. This is trying to verify that the cross references
>> that Jean found with the last pdf are taken care of.
>>
>> If one of you could do this it would be greatly appreciated so we can
>> this this published finally.
>>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
>>
>
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Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started
Posted by Jean Weber <je...@gmail.com>.
As I’ve said before, a bug in AOO means that a book created using a master
doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will have some
incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions. More reliable to
use an ODT for the front matter and then copy and paste from chapter files
to make a book.
Jean
On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 03:41 Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> Greetings All;
>
> I have been trying to create a new ODM file for the 4.1 Getting Started
> Guide and have hit a roadblock. I am having serious system problems and
> AOO will no longer create a TOC that creates the proper links to the
> rest of the document. This is trying to verify that the cross references
> that Jean found with the last pdf are taken care of.
>
> If one of you could do this it would be greatly appreciated so we can
> this this published finally.
>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>