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[VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Folks,

Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).

Owen Burroughs           [ ]
David Chappell           [ ]
Glen Daniels             [ ]
Anthony Elder            [ ]
Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
Tom Jordahl              [ ]
Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
Ted Leung                [ ]
Steve Loughran           [ ]
Axl Mattheus             [ ]
Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
Daniel Rall              [ ]
Scott Nichol             [ ]
Sam Ruby                 [ ]
Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
James Snell              [ ]
Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]

Thanks,
dims


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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.
On 7/29/2003 11:33 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:

>Ted,
>
>I synced up with XML Charter recently.
>
>-- dims
>
>
>  
>
The two big areas that I noticed were the relationship to the incubator, 
and the use of full committer majority votes.   As long as you looked 
and decided on what is there, I'm cool.

Ted


Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Ted,

I synced up with XML Charter recently.

-- dims

--- Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com> wrote:
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> Here's my +1, but let me also point out that the XML Charter, which this 
> charter is based on, has undergone some big revisions recently (it's 
> also being voted on).  I've attached it FYI
> 
> Ted
> 
> On 7/28/2003 12:19 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> 
> |Folks,
> |
> |Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
>
|(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).
> |
> |Owen Burroughs           [ ]
> |David Chappell           [ ]
> |Glen Daniels             [ ]
> |Anthony Elder            [ ]
> |Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
> |Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
> |Tom Jordahl              [ ]
> |Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
> |Ted Leung                [+1]
> |Steve Loughran           [ ]
> |Axl Mattheus             [ ]
> |Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
> |Daniel Rall              [ ]
> |Scott Nichol             [ ]
> |Sam Ruby                 [ ]
> |Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
> |James Snell              [ ]
> |Davanum Srinivas         [ ]
> |Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
> |
> |Thanks,
> |dims
> |
> |
> |=====
> |Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> |
> |__________________________________
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> 
> > 1 INTRODUCTION
> ==============
> 1.1 xml.apache.org is a collaborative software development project
> dedicated to providing robust, full-featured, commercial-quality, and
> freely available XML support on a wide variety of platforms.  This
> project is managed in cooperation with various individuals worldwide
> (both independent and company-affiliated experts), who use the
> Internet to communicate, plan, and develop XML software and related
> documentation.
> 
> 1.2 This charter briefly describes the mission, history, organization, and
> processes of the project.
> 
> 2 MISSION
> =========
> 2.1 xml.apache.org exists to promote the use of XML. We view XML as a
> compelling paradigm that structures data as information, thereby
> facilitating the exchange, transformation, and presentation of
> knowledge. The ability to transform raw data into usable information
> has great potential to improve the functionality and use of
> information systems. We intend to build freely available XML
> processing components in order to engender such improvements.
> 
> 2.2 xml.apache.org defines a set of components that exchange or deal 
> with XML information sets. Where appropriate, these components plug 
> into each other using standard APIs (formal, de facto, or proposed). 
> The components must be high performance, reliable, and easy to use.  
> Where inter-related, the components must be part of an underlying 
> architectural orchestration that will allow them to work together 
> without major negotiations or breakage.
> 
> 2.3 We believe that the best way to define this XML information exchange
> architecture is by having both individuals and corporations
> collaborate on the best possible infrastructure, APIs, code, testing,
> and release cycles. Components must be vendor neutral and usable as
> core components for all.
> 
> 2.4 In order to achieve a coherent architecture between xml.apache.org
> components and other components and applications, standards (formal or
> de facto) will be used as much as possible for both protocols and
> APIs. Where appropriate, experiences and lessons learned will be fed 
> back to standards bodies in an effort to assist in the development of 
> those standards.  We will also encourage the innovation of new
> protocols, APIs, and components in order to seed new concepts not
> yet defined by standards.
> 
> 3 HISTORY
> =========
> 3.1 This project was established under the direction of the newly-formed
> Apache Software Foundation in August 1999 to facilitate joint
> open-source development.
> 
> 4 TERMS
> =======
> 4.1 The ASF Board.  The management board of the Apache Software 
> Foundation.
> 
> 4.2 The Project.  The Apache XML Project, referred to in this
> document as "xml.apache.org" or "the xml.apache.org project".
> 
> 4.3 Subproject.  xml.apache.org is comprised of a number of subprojects;
> a subproject is responsible for a component or application whose scope
> is well defined.
> 
> 4.4 Contributor.  Anyone who makes a contribution to the development
> of the xml.apache.org project or a subproject.
> 
> 4.5 Committer.  Each subproject has a set of committers.  Committers
> are contributors who have read/write access to the source code
> repository.
> 
> 5 THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE
> ==================================
> 5.1 The xml.apache.org project is managed by a core group of
> contributors known as the Project Management Committee [PMC],
> with representation from all sub-projects.
> 
> 5.2 The activities of the PMC are coordinated by the Chairperson,
> who is an officer of corporation and reports to the Apache
> Board.  The Chairperson will, on the request of the Apache Board, 
> provide reports to the Board on issues related  to the running of 
> the xml.apache.org project.
> 
> 5.3 The PMC has the following responsibilities:
> 
> a) Accepting new subproject proposals, formally submitting these
>    proposals for xml.apache.org committer vote, and creating the
>    subproject (see SUBPROJECTS below).  This is done in collaboration
>    with the Incubator (see http://incubator.apache.org).
> b) Facilitating code or other donations by individuals or companies,
>    in collaboration with the Incubator.
> c) Resolving license issues and other legal issues in conjunction with
>    the ASF board.
> d) Ensuring that administrative and infrastructure work is completed.
> e) Facilitating relationships among projects and subprojects.
> f) Facilitating relationships between xml.apache.org and the external
>    world.
> g) Overseeing xml.apache.org to ensure that the mission defined in
>    this document is being fulfilled.
> h) Resolving conflicts within the project.
> i) Reporting to the ASF board (through the Chair) on the progress
>    of the project.
> 
> 5.4 Every 12 months, (or as required by the Board or PMC) each subproject 
> of xml.apache.org will nominate 1-2 individuals to represent them on the 
> PMC. To become a sub-project's representative on the PMC, an individual 
> must be nominated by a contributor, unanimously approved by all PMC 
> members, and approved by a two-thirds majority of the sub-project's 
> active committers. In most cases, developers will have actively 
> contributed to development for at least six months before being 
> considered for membership on the PMC.
> 
> 5.5 In cases where the sub-project is unable to directly provide a 
> representative on the PMC, another member of the PMC will be required 
> to represent that sub-project on the PMC.  This will be strongly
> discouraged.  It is preferable that all sub-projects have direct 
> representation on the PMC.
> 
> 5.6 Once the PMC selection process has completed, the PMC will provide 
> a recommendation to the Apache Board for the position of Chairperson 
> of the PMC. 
> 
> 5.7 This recommendation will be made on the basis of an election held 
> within the PMC.  The election will be performed using a simple
> majority vote of PMC members.
> 
> 5.8 Upon agreement by the Apache Board, the recommended Chairperson will, 
> if they are not already, be appointed an officer of the corporation.  
> See http://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html for more information.
> 
> 5.9 In the unlikely event that a member of the PMC becomes disruptive to
> the process, ceases to make codebase contributions for an extended 
> period, or ceases to take part in PMC votes for an extended period of
> time, said member may be removed by unanimous vote of remaining PMC 
> members.
> 
> 5.10 The PMC is responsible for maintaining and updating this
> charter. Development must follow the process outlined below, so any
> change to the development process necessitates a change to the
> charter. Changes must be unanimously approved by all members of the
> PMC. A contributor may challenge a change to the charter at any time
> and ask for a vote of all xml.apache.org active committers, in which
> case a two-thirds majority must approve the change.
> 
> 6 SUBPROJECTS
> =============
> 6.1 xml.apache.org is comprised of subprojects; a subproject is
> responsible for component or application whose scope is well defined.  
> Each subproject has its own set of developers, and is responsible 
> for approving its own committers.
> 
> 6.2 A new subproject proposal is submitted to the PMC, and then accepted
> by a majority xml.apache.org active committer vote.
> 
> 6.3 A subproject may be removed by unanimous vote of the PMC, subject to the
> approval of the ASF board.  A contributor may challenge the removal of a 
> subproject at any time and ask for a vote of all active committers, in
> which case a two-thirds majority must approve the change.
> 
> 7 CONTRIBUTORS
> ==============
> 7.1 Like all Apache projects, the XML project is a meritocracy -- the more 
> work you do, the more you are allowed to do.  Contributions will include
> participating in mailing lists, reporting bugs, providing patches and
> proposing changes to a product.
> 
> 7.2 Developers who make regular and substantial contributions may become
> committers as described below.
> 
> 8 COMMITTERS
> ============
> 8.1 Each subproject has a set of committers. Committers are contributors who
> have read/write access to the source code repository. New committers
> are added when a contributor is nominated by a committer and approved by
> at least 50 percent of the active committers for that subproject with no
> opposing votes.  In most cases, new committers will already be
> participating in the development process by submitting suggestions
> and/or fixes via the bug report page or mailing lists.
> 
> 8.2 For the purposes of voting, committers will be classed as "active" or
> "inactive". Only active committers will be included in the totals used to 
> determine the success or failure of a particular vote.
> 
> 8.3 Committers remain active as long as they are contributing code or
> posting to the subproject mailing lists.  If a committers has neither
> contributed code nor posted to the subproject mailing lists in 3
> months, the PMC representatives for that subproject will e-mail the 
> committer, the subproject development list, and the PMC mailing list 
> notifying the committer that they are going to be moved to inactive 
> status.  If there is no response in 72 hours, the committer will become 
> inactive.
> 
> 8.4 An inactive status will not prevent a committer committing new code
> changes or posting to the mailing lists.  Either of these activities will
> automatically re-activate the committer for the purposes of voting.
> 
> 9 INFRASTRUCTURE
> ================
> 9.1 The xml.apache.org project site must provide the following:
> 
> a) Bug Database -- This is a system for tracking bugs and feature
> 
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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.
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Here's my +1, but let me also point out that the XML Charter, which this 
charter is based on, has undergone some big revisions recently (it's 
also being voted on).  I've attached it FYI

Ted

On 7/28/2003 12:19 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:

|Folks,
|
|Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
|(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).
|
|Owen Burroughs           [ ]
|David Chappell           [ ]
|Glen Daniels             [ ]
|Anthony Elder            [ ]
|Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
|Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
|Tom Jordahl              [ ]
|Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
|Ted Leung                [+1]
|Steve Loughran           [ ]
|Axl Mattheus             [ ]
|Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
|Daniel Rall              [ ]
|Scott Nichol             [ ]
|Sam Ruby                 [ ]
|Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
|James Snell              [ ]
|Davanum Srinivas         [ ]
|Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
|
|Thanks,
|dims
|
|
|=====
|Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
|
|__________________________________
|Do you Yahoo!?
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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
updated 4.2 to reflect mixed usage.

--- David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com> wrote:
> Still, there is a mixture of the use of "ws.apache.org" and "webservices.apache.org".  Is this
> intended?
> Dave
> 
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> 
> > My mistake. It's url for the wrong version. Read the latest...
> >
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WebServicesProjectPages/Charter
> >
> > -- dims
> >
> > --- David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Dims,
> > > I noticed there document mixes "xml.apache.org" and "webservices.apache.org" in reference to
> > > "the project". Is
> > > this a typo, or is there an unexplained relationship between the two?
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).
> > > >
> > > > Owen Burroughs           [ ]
> > > > David Chappell           [ ]
> > > > Glen Daniels             [ ]
> > > > Anthony Elder            [ ]
> > > > Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
> > > > Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
> > > > Tom Jordahl              [ ]
> > > > Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
> > > > Ted Leung                [ ]
> > > > Steve Loughran           [ ]
> > > > Axl Mattheus             [ ]
> > > > Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
> > > > Daniel Rall              [ ]
> > > > Scott Nichol             [ ]
> > > > Sam Ruby                 [ ]
> > > > Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
> > > > James Snell              [ ]
> > > > Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
> > > > Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > dims
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________
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> > > --
> > > David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com> Office: (781)999-7099 Mobile: (617)510-6566
> > > Vice President and Chief Technology Evangelist
> > > Technology Advancement Group, Sonic Software
> > > co-author,"Java Web Services" (O'Reilly), "The Java Message Service" (O'Reilly),
> > > "Professional ebXML Foundations", (Wrox Press)
> > > --
> > >
> > > > begin:vcard
> > > n:Chappell;Dave
> > > tel;cell:617-510-6566
> > > tel;work:781-999-7099
> > > x-mozilla-html:FALSE
> > > url:www.sonicsoftware.com
> > > org:Sonic Software Corp.    <BR><BR><A
> > > HREF="http://www.sonicsoftware.com/news/pressrelease_108138/pritem.ssp?"><B>Sonic Software
> > > Announces Sonic Business Integration Suite and Product Delivery Roadmap</B></A><BR><A
> > > HREF="http://www.sonicsoftware.com"><IMG
> > >
> BORDER="0"SRC="http://www.sonicsoftware.com/sonic/media/general/logos/sonic_logo1.gif"></A><A
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> > > SRC="http://www.sonicsoftware.com/sonic/graphics/connect.gif"></A>
> > > adr:;;14 Oak Park;Bedford;MA;01730;USA
> > > version:2.1
> > > email;internet:chappell@sonicsoftware.com
> > > title:vice president & chief technology evangelist<a
> > > href="http://www.oreillynet.com/weblogs/author/207">[weblog]</a>
> > > fn:Dave Chappell
> > > end:vcard
> > >
> >
> > =====
> > Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
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> --
> Sonic Software - Changing the Economics of Integration
> --
> David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com> Office: (781)999-7099 Mobile: (617)510-6566
> Vice President and Chief Technology Evangelist
> Technology Advancement Group, Sonic Software
> co-author,"Java Web Services" (O'Reilly), "The Java Message Service" (O'Reilly),
> "Professional ebXML Foundations", (Wrox Press)
> --
> 
> > begin:vcard 
> n:Chappell;Dave
> tel;cell:617-510-6566
> tel;work:781-999-7099
> x-mozilla-html:FALSE
> url:www.sonicsoftware.com
> org:Sonic Software Corp.    <BR><BR><A
> HREF="http://www.sonicsoftware.com/news/pressrelease_108138/pritem.ssp?"><B>Sonic Software
> Announces Sonic Business Integration Suite and Product Delivery Roadmap</B></A><BR><A
> HREF="http://www.sonicsoftware.com"><IMG
> BORDER="0"SRC="http://www.sonicsoftware.com/sonic/media/general/logos/sonic_logo1.gif"></A><A
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> SRC="http://www.sonicsoftware.com/sonic/graphics/connect.gif"></A>
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> title:vice president & chief technology evangelist<a
> href="http://www.oreillynet.com/weblogs/author/207">[weblog]</a>
> fn:Dave Chappell
> end:vcard
> 


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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com>.
Still, there is a mixture of the use of "ws.apache.org" and "webservices.apache.org".  Is this intended?
Dave

Davanum Srinivas wrote:

> My mistake. It's url for the wrong version. Read the latest...
>
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WebServicesProjectPages/Charter
>
> -- dims
>
> --- David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com> wrote:
> > Hi Dims,
> > I noticed there document mixes "xml.apache.org" and "webservices.apache.org" in reference to
> > "the project". Is
> > this a typo, or is there an unexplained relationship between the two?
> > Dave
> >
> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
> > >
> >
> (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).
> > >
> > > Owen Burroughs           [ ]
> > > David Chappell           [ ]
> > > Glen Daniels             [ ]
> > > Anthony Elder            [ ]
> > > Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
> > > Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
> > > Tom Jordahl              [ ]
> > > Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
> > > Ted Leung                [ ]
> > > Steve Loughran           [ ]
> > > Axl Mattheus             [ ]
> > > Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
> > > Daniel Rall              [ ]
> > > Scott Nichol             [ ]
> > > Sam Ruby                 [ ]
> > > Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
> > > James Snell              [ ]
> > > Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
> > > Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > dims
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
> > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
> >
> > --
> > Sonic Software - Changing the Economics of Integration
> > --
> > David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com> Office: (781)999-7099 Mobile: (617)510-6566
> > Vice President and Chief Technology Evangelist
> > Technology Advancement Group, Sonic Software
> > co-author,"Java Web Services" (O'Reilly), "The Java Message Service" (O'Reilly),
> > "Professional ebXML Foundations", (Wrox Press)
> > --
> >
> > > begin:vcard
> > n:Chappell;Dave
> > tel;cell:617-510-6566
> > tel;work:781-999-7099
> > x-mozilla-html:FALSE
> > url:www.sonicsoftware.com
> > org:Sonic Software Corp.    <BR><BR><A
> > HREF="http://www.sonicsoftware.com/news/pressrelease_108138/pritem.ssp?"><B>Sonic Software
> > Announces Sonic Business Integration Suite and Product Delivery Roadmap</B></A><BR><A
> > HREF="http://www.sonicsoftware.com"><IMG
> > BORDER="0"SRC="http://www.sonicsoftware.com/sonic/media/general/logos/sonic_logo1.gif"></A><A
> > HREF="http://www.sonicsoftware.com"><IMG BORDER="0"
> > SRC="http://www.sonicsoftware.com/sonic/graphics/connect.gif"></A>
> > adr:;;14 Oak Park;Bedford;MA;01730;USA
> > version:2.1
> > email;internet:chappell@sonicsoftware.com
> > title:vice president & chief technology evangelist<a
> > href="http://www.oreillynet.com/weblogs/author/207">[weblog]</a>
> > fn:Dave Chappell
> > end:vcard
> >
>
> =====
> Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
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--
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Vice President and Chief Technology Evangelist
Technology Advancement Group, Sonic Software
co-author,"Java Web Services" (O'Reilly), "The Java Message Service" (O'Reilly),
"Professional ebXML Foundations", (Wrox Press)
--


Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
My mistake. It's url for the wrong version. Read the latest...

http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WebServicesProjectPages/Charter

-- dims


--- David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi Dims,
> I noticed there document mixes "xml.apache.org" and "webservices.apache.org" in reference to
> "the project". Is
> this a typo, or is there an unexplained relationship between the two?
> Dave
> 
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> 
> > Folks,
> >
> > Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
> >
>
(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).
> >
> > Owen Burroughs           [ ]
> > David Chappell           [ ]
> > Glen Daniels             [ ]
> > Anthony Elder            [ ]
> > Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
> > Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
> > Tom Jordahl              [ ]
> > Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
> > Ted Leung                [ ]
> > Steve Loughran           [ ]
> > Axl Mattheus             [ ]
> > Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
> > Daniel Rall              [ ]
> > Scott Nichol             [ ]
> > Sam Ruby                 [ ]
> > Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
> > James Snell              [ ]
> > Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
> > Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com>.
Hi Dims,
I noticed there document mixes "xml.apache.org" and "webservices.apache.org" in reference to "the project". Is
this a typo, or is there an unexplained relationship between the two?
Dave

Davanum Srinivas wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
> (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).
>
> Owen Burroughs           [ ]
> David Chappell           [ ]
> Glen Daniels             [ ]
> Anthony Elder            [ ]
> Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
> Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
> Tom Jordahl              [ ]
> Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
> Ted Leung                [ ]
> Steve Loughran           [ ]
> Axl Mattheus             [ ]
> Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
> Daniel Rall              [ ]
> Scott Nichol             [ ]
> Sam Ruby                 [ ]
> Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
> James Snell              [ ]
> Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
> Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
>
> Thanks,
> dims
>
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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Folks,
Here are the VOTE tally right now. PLEASE cast your ballot ASAP.
(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WebServicesProjectPages/Charter) 

Thanks,
dims

PS: If you don't want to be on the WS-PMC, please let us know.

Owen Burroughs           [+1]
David Chappell           [+1]
Glen Daniels             [ ]
Anthony Elder            [ ]
Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
Tom Jordahl              [+1]
Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
Ted Leung                [+1]
Steve Loughran           [+1]
Axl Mattheus             [ ]
Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
Daniel Rall              [ ]
Scott Nichol             [ ]
Sam Ruby                 [ ]
Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
James Snell              [ ]
Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ] 

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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by David Chappell <ch...@sonicsoftware.com>.
+1
Dave

Davanum Srinivas wrote:

> Folks,
>
> PLEASE take a few minutes to read the charter and VOTE....Latest is at
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter
>
> PLEASE note that VOTE from everyone on the PMC is needed as this is a VOTE for the PMC Charter
> itself.
>
> Thanks,
> dims
>
> --- Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
> >
> (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).
> >
> > Owen Burroughs           [ ]
> > David Chappell           [ ]
> > Glen Daniels             [ ]
> > Anthony Elder            [ ]
> > Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
> > Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
> > Tom Jordahl              [ ]
> > Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
> > Ted Leung                [ ]
> > Steve Loughran           [ ]
> > Axl Mattheus             [ ]
> > Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
> > Daniel Rall              [ ]
> > Scott Nichol             [ ]
> > Sam Ruby                 [ ]
> > Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
> > James Snell              [ ]
> > Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
> > Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
> >
> > Thanks,
> > dims
> >
> >
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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com>.
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Here's the latest tally. Am CC'ing all those who have not voted yet. PLEASE VOTE ASAP. Also,
> PLEASE let us know if you are not interested in being on the WS-PMC. This VOTE is taking way
> tooooo long.
> 
> Steve Loughran           [ +1]


Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
OK. Please go ahead with the change.

Thanks,
dims

--- Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com> wrote:
> +1, though I think that requiring a quorom for accepting new
> committers is a bit heavy-handed.  My preference is that the standard
> minimum of three +1 votes and no -1's apply.  Thoughts?  May I make
> this change to the Wiki?
> 
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WebServicesProjectPages/Charter
> -- 
> 
> Daniel Rall


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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>.
+1, though I think that requiring a quorom for accepting new
committers is a bit heavy-handed.  My preference is that the standard
minimum of three +1 votes and no -1's apply.  Thoughts?  May I make
this change to the Wiki?

http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WebServicesProjectPages/Charter
-- 

Daniel Rall

Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
> Sam Ruby                 [+1]

- Sam Ruby


Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Nirmal Mukhi <nm...@us.ibm.com>.
I added my +1 below.

Thanks,
Nirmal.




Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>
08/17/2003 03:28 AM
Please respond to pmc
 
        To:     general@ws.apache.org, pmc@ws.apache.org
        cc:     antelder@apache.org, geuerp@apache.org, 
hughesj@apache.org, vdkoogh@apache.org, stevel@apache.org, 
amattheu@apache.org, nmukhi@apache.org, dlr@apache.org, 
snichol@apache.org, rubys@intertwingly.net, rubys@apache.org
        Subject:        Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter


Here's the latest tally. Am CC'ing all those who have not voted yet. 
PLEASE VOTE ASAP. Also,
PLEASE let us know if you are not interested in being on the WS-PMC. This 
VOTE is taking way
tooooo long.

Owen Burroughs           [+1]
David Chappell           [+1]
Glen Daniels             [+1]
Anthony Elder            [ ]
Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
Tom Jordahl              [+1]
Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
Ted Leung                [+1]
Steve Loughran           [ ]
Axl Mattheus             [ ]
Nirmal Mukhi             [+1]
Daniel Rall              [ ]
Scott Nichol             [ ]
Sam Ruby                 [ ]
Aleksander Slominski     [+1]
James Snell              [+1]
Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
Sanjiva Weerawarana      [+1]

Thanks,
dims

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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Here's the latest tally. Am CC'ing all those who have not voted yet. PLEASE VOTE ASAP. Also,
PLEASE let us know if you are not interested in being on the WS-PMC. This VOTE is taking way
tooooo long.

Owen Burroughs           [+1]
David Chappell           [+1]
Glen Daniels             [+1]
Anthony Elder            [ ]
Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
Tom Jordahl              [+1]
Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
Ted Leung                [+1]
Steve Loughran           [ ]
Axl Mattheus             [ ]
Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
Daniel Rall              [ ]
Scott Nichol             [ ]
Sam Ruby                 [ ]
Aleksander Slominski     [+1]
James Snell              [+1]
Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
Sanjiva Weerawarana      [+1]

Thanks,
dims

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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by James M Snell <ja...@us.ibm.com>.
+1

- James M Snell
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"Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sa...@watson.ibm.com> 
08/04/2003 08:15 AM
Please respond to
pmc@ws.apache.org


To
<pm...@ws.apache.org>, <di...@yahoo.com>, <ge...@ws.apache.org>
cc

Subject
Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter






+1 .. and apologies for the delay in replying.

Sanjiva.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Davanum Srinivas" <di...@yahoo.com>
To: <ge...@ws.apache.org>; <pm...@ws.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter


> Folks,
>
> PLEASE take a few minutes to read the charter and VOTE....Latest is at
>
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesPro

jectPages/Charter
>
> PLEASE note that VOTE from everyone on the PMC is needed as this is a 
VOTE
for the PMC Charter
> itself.
>
> Thanks,
> dims
>
> --- Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
> >
>
(
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesPr

ojectPages/Charter&revision=12).
> >
> > Owen Burroughs           [ ]
> > David Chappell           [ ]
> > Glen Daniels             [ ]
> > Anthony Elder            [ ]
> > Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
> > Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
> > Tom Jordahl              [ ]
> > Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
> > Ted Leung                [ ]
> > Steve Loughran           [ ]
> > Axl Mattheus             [ ]
> > Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
> > Daniel Rall              [ ]
> > Scott Nichol             [ ]
> > Sam Ruby                 [ ]
> > Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
> > James Snell              [ ]
> > Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
> > Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
> >
> > Thanks,
> > dims
> >
> >
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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@watson.ibm.com>.
+1 .. and apologies for the delay in replying.

Sanjiva.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Davanum Srinivas" <di...@yahoo.com>
To: <ge...@ws.apache.org>; <pm...@ws.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter


> Folks,
>
> PLEASE take a few minutes to read the charter and VOTE....Latest is at
>
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesPro
jectPages/Charter
>
> PLEASE note that VOTE from everyone on the PMC is needed as this is a VOTE
for the PMC Charter
> itself.
>
> Thanks,
> dims
>
> --- Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
> >
>
(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesPr
ojectPages/Charter&revision=12).
> >
> > Owen Burroughs           [ ]
> > David Chappell           [ ]
> > Glen Daniels             [ ]
> > Anthony Elder            [ ]
> > Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
> > Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
> > Tom Jordahl              [ ]
> > Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
> > Ted Leung                [ ]
> > Steve Loughran           [ ]
> > Axl Mattheus             [ ]
> > Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
> > Daniel Rall              [ ]
> > Scott Nichol             [ ]
> > Sam Ruby                 [ ]
> > Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
> > James Snell              [ ]
> > Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
> > Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
> >
> > Thanks,
> > dims
> >
> >
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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Aleksander Slominski <as...@cs.indiana.edu>.
Davanum Srinivas wrote:

>Folks,
>
>PLEASE take a few minutes to read the charter and VOTE....Latest is at
>http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter
>
>PLEASE note that VOTE from everyone on the PMC is needed as this is a VOTE for the PMC Charter
>itself.
>
>Thanks,
>dims
>
>--- Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Folks,
>>
>>Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
>>
>>    
>>
>(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).
>  
>
>>Owen Burroughs           [ ]
>>David Chappell           [ ]
>>Glen Daniels             [ ]
>>Anthony Elder            [ ]
>>Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
>>Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
>>Tom Jordahl              [ ]
>>Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
>>Ted Leung                [ ]
>>Steve Loughran           [ ]
>>Axl Mattheus             [ ]
>>Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
>>Daniel Rall              [ ]
>>Scott Nichol             [ ]
>>Sam Ruby                 [ ]
>>Aleksander Slominski     [+1]
>>
hi,

it looks ver good. i am only a bit ocncerned about plugability of 
components (section 2.2) - i think components should be mostly 
interoperable on protocol level and not necessarily all components even 
if they are inter-related must be able to work together in the same 
application

thanks,

alek

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Re: [VOTE] ws.apache.org PMC Charter

Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Folks,

PLEASE take a few minutes to read the charter and VOTE....Latest is at
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter

PLEASE note that VOTE from everyone on the PMC is needed as this is a VOTE for the PMC Charter
itself.

Thanks,
dims

--- Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> Please VOTE for adopting our Web services PMC Charter
>
(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browse&id=WebServicesProjectPages/Charter&revision=12).
> 
> Owen Burroughs           [ ]
> David Chappell           [ ]
> Glen Daniels             [ ]
> Anthony Elder            [ ]
> Christian Geuer-Pollmann [ ]
> Jeremy Hughes            [ ]
> Tom Jordahl              [ ]
> Erwin van der Koogh      [ ]
> Ted Leung                [ ]
> Steve Loughran           [ ]
> Axl Mattheus             [ ]
> Nirmal Mukhi             [ ]
> Daniel Rall              [ ]
> Scott Nichol             [ ]
> Sam Ruby                 [ ]
> Aleksander Slominski     [ ]
> James Snell              [ ]
> Davanum Srinivas         [+1]
> Sanjiva Weerawarana      [ ]
> 
> Thanks,
> dims
> 
> 
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