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Posted to dev@camel.apache.org by Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk> on 2008/11/06 09:45:23 UTC
[Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Hi
There has been great activity on the Camel after the 1.5 release - really great.
But I am wondering if we should push so many of the new features as well into Camel 1.5.1?
Do we want to keep maintaining all the new features and code in the 1.x branch as well? I would like to reconsider what we add to 1.5. Keeping it for must have features and bug fixes would be more correct IMHO.
We should also have the 1.5.1 and 2.0 release "work in progress" pages as well, so we remember to update on the way. I will add them right now.
And please also take the 15 min. to add/modify the wiki documentation as well. Would be lovely with a checkbox in JIRA you could tick off when you have fixed the wiki documentation as well ;) Sorry I am just pushing for documentation as well, as it is a must have to keep the learning curve lower and motivate new users to use Camel.
Med venlig hilsen
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Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Posted by Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com>.
Sounds great guys. The less time we have to spend maintaining fixes
branches, the better.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Oh Willem wanted to do the verbs. Well he and Jonathan can get it sorted.
> Willem could also continue doing his important work on camel-cxf.
>
> Hadrian I doubt we have time to do anything for Camel 2.0.0 about your
> great ideas of having the DSL auto generated. This is something for the
> future such as Camel 3.0. 2.0 needs the API fixed and improved performance
> without all the copying. And then better camel-jbi integration as well.
>
> So I guess we should let Willem and Jonathan have green lights for DSL
> renaming.
>
>
>
> Med venlig hilsen
>
> Claus Ibsen
> ......................................
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
> Sent: 6. november 2008 10:32
> To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
>
> Sounds good!
>
>
> 2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
> > Hi
> >
> > I propose a work plan such as:
> >
> > You and Hadrian should work on the remaining issues with refactoring the
> API to remove the generics and get it as correct. You are the best people
> for this work. Also very important that you guys look at the "remove
> unneeded copies of exchanges".
> >
> > Then Jonathan can work on the renaming of the DSL's. And he could also
> help removing the stuff that has been marked as @deprecated. He has already
> done some of this stuff before. And as a 2nd priority to find the gaps in
> the spring DSL vs. Java DSL.
> >
> > I would like to use this break to focus on the wiki documentation and my
> tutorial that I need to continue on part 5.
> >
> >
> > Med venlig hilsen
> >
> > Claus Ibsen
> > ......................................
> > Silverbullet
> > Skovsgårdsvænget 21
> > 8362 Hørning
> > Tlf. +45 2962 7576
> > Web: www.silverbullet.dk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 6. november 2008 10:20
> > To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
> >
> > 2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Yeah could be a good idea to let 2.0.0 solely be focused on changing the
> API.
> >> - generics
> >> - verbs for DSL
> >> - remove @deprecated stuff
> >>
> >> And then we can be back on track with hammering 200+ issues every 3rd
> month.
> >
> > Yeah! I kinda think we should focus almost exclusively on the stuff
> > that might result in API changes ASAP. e.g. how fast can we get Camel
> > when its being used as a JMS <-> JMS router or a JBI <-> JBI router.
> >
> >
> > --
> > James
> > -------
> > http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Open Source Integration
> > http://fusesource.com/
> >
>
>
>
> --
> James
> -------
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>
> Open Source Integration
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>
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Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Posted by Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, that's not a problem. There's gonna be a big api change anyway.
What I think is also important is fixing the dependencies (remove the
circular deps), this will allow us to move forward with a cleaner api.
Hadrian
On Nov 6, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Willem Jiang wrote:
> It sounds good.
> We'd better to be on the track of Camel 2.0 ASAP :)
>
> Willem
> Claus Ibsen wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Oh Willem wanted to do the verbs. Well he and Jonathan can get it
>> sorted. Willem could also continue doing his important work on
>> camel-cxf.
>>
>> Hadrian I doubt we have time to do anything for Camel 2.0.0 about
>> your great ideas of having the DSL auto generated. This is
>> something for the future such as Camel 3.0. 2.0 needs the API fixed
>> and improved performance without all the copying. And then better
>> camel-jbi integration as well.
>>
>> So I guess we should let Willem and Jonathan have green lights for
>> DSL renaming.
>>
>>
>>
>> Med venlig hilsen
>>
>> Claus Ibsen
>> ......................................
>> Silverbullet
>> Skovsgårdsvænget 21
>> 8362 Hørning
>> Tlf. +45 2962 7576
>> Web: www.silverbullet.dk
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 6. november 2008 10:32
>> To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and
>> what not
>>
>> Sounds good!
>>
>>
>> 2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I propose a work plan such as:
>>>
>>> You and Hadrian should work on the remaining issues with
>>> refactoring the API to remove the generics and get it as correct.
>>> You are the best people for this work. Also very important that
>>> you guys look at the "remove unneeded copies of exchanges".
>>>
>>> Then Jonathan can work on the renaming of the DSL's. And he could
>>> also help removing the stuff that has been marked as @deprecated.
>>> He has already done some of this stuff before. And as a 2nd
>>> priority to find the gaps in the spring DSL vs. Java DSL.
>>>
>>> I would like to use this break to focus on the wiki documentation
>>> and my tutorial that I need to continue on part 5.
>>>
>>>
>>> Med venlig hilsen
>>>
>>> Claus Ibsen
>>> ......................................
>>> Silverbullet
>>> Skovsgårdsvænget 21
>>> 8362 Hørning
>>> Tlf. +45 2962 7576
>>> Web: www.silverbullet.dk
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 6. november 2008 10:20
>>> To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and
>>> what not
>>>
>>> 2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Yeah could be a good idea to let 2.0.0 solely be focused on
>>>> changing the API.
>>>> - generics
>>>> - verbs for DSL
>>>> - remove @deprecated stuff
>>>>
>>>> And then we can be back on track with hammering 200+ issues every
>>>> 3rd month.
>>> Yeah! I kinda think we should focus almost exclusively on the stuff
>>> that might result in API changes ASAP. e.g. how fast can we get
>>> Camel
>>> when its being used as a JMS <-> JMS router or a JBI <-> JBI router.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> James
>>> -------
>>> http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Open Source Integration
>>> http://fusesource.com/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
It sounds good.
We'd better to be on the track of Camel 2.0 ASAP :)
Willem
Claus Ibsen wrote:
> Hi
>
> Oh Willem wanted to do the verbs. Well he and Jonathan can get it sorted. Willem could also continue doing his important work on camel-cxf.
>
> Hadrian I doubt we have time to do anything for Camel 2.0.0 about your great ideas of having the DSL auto generated. This is something for the future such as Camel 3.0. 2.0 needs the API fixed and improved performance without all the copying. And then better camel-jbi integration as well.
>
> So I guess we should let Willem and Jonathan have green lights for DSL renaming.
>
>
>
> Med venlig hilsen
>
> Claus Ibsen
> ......................................
> Silverbullet
> Skovsgårdsvænget 21
> 8362 Hørning
> Tlf. +45 2962 7576
> Web: www.silverbullet.dk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
> Sent: 6. november 2008 10:32
> To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
>
> Sounds good!
>
>
> 2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
>> Hi
>>
>> I propose a work plan such as:
>>
>> You and Hadrian should work on the remaining issues with refactoring the API to remove the generics and get it as correct. You are the best people for this work. Also very important that you guys look at the "remove unneeded copies of exchanges".
>>
>> Then Jonathan can work on the renaming of the DSL's. And he could also help removing the stuff that has been marked as @deprecated. He has already done some of this stuff before. And as a 2nd priority to find the gaps in the spring DSL vs. Java DSL.
>>
>> I would like to use this break to focus on the wiki documentation and my tutorial that I need to continue on part 5.
>>
>>
>> Med venlig hilsen
>>
>> Claus Ibsen
>> ......................................
>> Silverbullet
>> Skovsgårdsvænget 21
>> 8362 Hørning
>> Tlf. +45 2962 7576
>> Web: www.silverbullet.dk
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 6. november 2008 10:20
>> To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
>>
>> 2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Yeah could be a good idea to let 2.0.0 solely be focused on changing the API.
>>> - generics
>>> - verbs for DSL
>>> - remove @deprecated stuff
>>>
>>> And then we can be back on track with hammering 200+ issues every 3rd month.
>> Yeah! I kinda think we should focus almost exclusively on the stuff
>> that might result in API changes ASAP. e.g. how fast can we get Camel
>> when its being used as a JMS <-> JMS router or a JBI <-> JBI router.
>>
>>
>> --
>> James
>> -------
>> http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Open Source Integration
>> http://fusesource.com/
>>
>
>
>
RE: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Posted by Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>.
Hi
Oh Willem wanted to do the verbs. Well he and Jonathan can get it sorted. Willem could also continue doing his important work on camel-cxf.
Hadrian I doubt we have time to do anything for Camel 2.0.0 about your great ideas of having the DSL auto generated. This is something for the future such as Camel 3.0. 2.0 needs the API fixed and improved performance without all the copying. And then better camel-jbi integration as well.
So I guess we should let Willem and Jonathan have green lights for DSL renaming.
Med venlig hilsen
Claus Ibsen
......................................
Silverbullet
Skovsgårdsvænget 21
8362 Hørning
Tlf. +45 2962 7576
Web: www.silverbullet.dk
-----Original Message-----
From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
Sent: 6. november 2008 10:32
To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Sounds good!
2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
> Hi
>
> I propose a work plan such as:
>
> You and Hadrian should work on the remaining issues with refactoring the API to remove the generics and get it as correct. You are the best people for this work. Also very important that you guys look at the "remove unneeded copies of exchanges".
>
> Then Jonathan can work on the renaming of the DSL's. And he could also help removing the stuff that has been marked as @deprecated. He has already done some of this stuff before. And as a 2nd priority to find the gaps in the spring DSL vs. Java DSL.
>
> I would like to use this break to focus on the wiki documentation and my tutorial that I need to continue on part 5.
>
>
> Med venlig hilsen
>
> Claus Ibsen
> ......................................
> Silverbullet
> Skovsgårdsvænget 21
> 8362 Hørning
> Tlf. +45 2962 7576
> Web: www.silverbullet.dk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
> Sent: 6. november 2008 10:20
> To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
>
> 2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
>> Hi
>>
>> Yeah could be a good idea to let 2.0.0 solely be focused on changing the API.
>> - generics
>> - verbs for DSL
>> - remove @deprecated stuff
>>
>> And then we can be back on track with hammering 200+ issues every 3rd month.
>
> Yeah! I kinda think we should focus almost exclusively on the stuff
> that might result in API changes ASAP. e.g. how fast can we get Camel
> when its being used as a JMS <-> JMS router or a JBI <-> JBI router.
>
>
> --
> James
> -------
> http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>
> Open Source Integration
> http://fusesource.com/
>
--
James
-------
http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
http://fusesource.com/
Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
Sounds good!
2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
> Hi
>
> I propose a work plan such as:
>
> You and Hadrian should work on the remaining issues with refactoring the API to remove the generics and get it as correct. You are the best people for this work. Also very important that you guys look at the "remove unneeded copies of exchanges".
>
> Then Jonathan can work on the renaming of the DSL's. And he could also help removing the stuff that has been marked as @deprecated. He has already done some of this stuff before. And as a 2nd priority to find the gaps in the spring DSL vs. Java DSL.
>
> I would like to use this break to focus on the wiki documentation and my tutorial that I need to continue on part 5.
>
>
> Med venlig hilsen
>
> Claus Ibsen
> ......................................
> Silverbullet
> Skovsgårdsvænget 21
> 8362 Hørning
> Tlf. +45 2962 7576
> Web: www.silverbullet.dk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
> Sent: 6. november 2008 10:20
> To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
>
> 2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
>> Hi
>>
>> Yeah could be a good idea to let 2.0.0 solely be focused on changing the API.
>> - generics
>> - verbs for DSL
>> - remove @deprecated stuff
>>
>> And then we can be back on track with hammering 200+ issues every 3rd month.
>
> Yeah! I kinda think we should focus almost exclusively on the stuff
> that might result in API changes ASAP. e.g. how fast can we get Camel
> when its being used as a JMS <-> JMS router or a JBI <-> JBI router.
>
>
> --
> James
> -------
> http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>
> Open Source Integration
> http://fusesource.com/
>
--
James
-------
http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
http://fusesource.com/
RE: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Posted by Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>.
Hi
I propose a work plan such as:
You and Hadrian should work on the remaining issues with refactoring the API to remove the generics and get it as correct. You are the best people for this work. Also very important that you guys look at the "remove unneeded copies of exchanges".
Then Jonathan can work on the renaming of the DSL's. And he could also help removing the stuff that has been marked as @deprecated. He has already done some of this stuff before. And as a 2nd priority to find the gaps in the spring DSL vs. Java DSL.
I would like to use this break to focus on the wiki documentation and my tutorial that I need to continue on part 5.
Med venlig hilsen
Claus Ibsen
......................................
Silverbullet
Skovsgårdsvænget 21
8362 Hørning
Tlf. +45 2962 7576
Web: www.silverbullet.dk
-----Original Message-----
From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
Sent: 6. november 2008 10:20
To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
> Hi
>
> Yeah could be a good idea to let 2.0.0 solely be focused on changing the API.
> - generics
> - verbs for DSL
> - remove @deprecated stuff
>
> And then we can be back on track with hammering 200+ issues every 3rd month.
Yeah! I kinda think we should focus almost exclusively on the stuff
that might result in API changes ASAP. e.g. how fast can we get Camel
when its being used as a JMS <-> JMS router or a JBI <-> JBI router.
--
James
-------
http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
http://fusesource.com/
Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
> Hi
>
> Yeah could be a good idea to let 2.0.0 solely be focused on changing the API.
> - generics
> - verbs for DSL
> - remove @deprecated stuff
>
> And then we can be back on track with hammering 200+ issues every 3rd month.
Yeah! I kinda think we should focus almost exclusively on the stuff
that might result in API changes ASAP. e.g. how fast can we get Camel
when its being used as a JMS <-> JMS router or a JBI <-> JBI router.
--
James
-------
http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
http://fusesource.com/
RE: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Posted by Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>.
Hi
Yeah could be a good idea to let 2.0.0 solely be focused on changing the API.
- generics
- verbs for DSL
- remove @deprecated stuff
And then we can be back on track with hammering 200+ issues every 3rd month.
Med venlig hilsen
Claus Ibsen
......................................
Silverbullet
Skovsgårdsvænget 21
8362 Hørning
Tlf. +45 2962 7576
Web: www.silverbullet.dk
-----Original Message-----
From: James Strachan [mailto:james.strachan@gmail.com]
Sent: 6. november 2008 09:55
To: camel-dev@activemq.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
I wonder if we can just get 2.0 out pretty quickly? Removing the
generics is a biggie - but once thats done and we hammer on it a bit &
tune it; am not sure how long its gonna take us to get 2.0 out the
door.
We typically do a new release every few months; so for new features -
we can just roll them all into 2.0 can't we? If we just focus on the
possible-API-changing stuff first and get that all sorted ASAP we can
just ship 2.0 whenever we're happy with it?
2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
> Hi
>
> There has been great activity on the Camel after the 1.5 release - really great.
>
> But I am wondering if we should push so many of the new features as well into Camel 1.5.1?
>
> Do we want to keep maintaining all the new features and code in the 1.x branch as well? I would like to reconsider what we add to 1.5. Keeping it for must have features and bug fixes would be more correct IMHO.
>
>
> We should also have the 1.5.1 and 2.0 release "work in progress" pages as well, so we remember to update on the way. I will add them right now.
>
>
> And please also take the 15 min. to add/modify the wiki documentation as well. Would be lovely with a checkbox in JIRA you could tick off when you have fixed the wiki documentation as well ;) Sorry I am just pushing for documentation as well, as it is a must have to keep the learning curve lower and motivate new users to use Camel.
>
>
> Med venlig hilsen
>
> Claus Ibsen
> ......................................
> Silverbullet
> Skovsgårdsvænget 21
> 8362 Hørning
> Tlf. +45 2962 7576
> Web: www.silverbullet.dk
>
>
--
James
-------
http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
http://fusesource.com/
Re: [Discussion] - Camel 1.5.1 - What should we add and what not
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
I wonder if we can just get 2.0 out pretty quickly? Removing the
generics is a biggie - but once thats done and we hammer on it a bit &
tune it; am not sure how long its gonna take us to get 2.0 out the
door.
We typically do a new release every few months; so for new features -
we can just roll them all into 2.0 can't we? If we just focus on the
possible-API-changing stuff first and get that all sorted ASAP we can
just ship 2.0 whenever we're happy with it?
2008/11/6 Claus Ibsen <ci...@silverbullet.dk>:
> Hi
>
> There has been great activity on the Camel after the 1.5 release - really great.
>
> But I am wondering if we should push so many of the new features as well into Camel 1.5.1?
>
> Do we want to keep maintaining all the new features and code in the 1.x branch as well? I would like to reconsider what we add to 1.5. Keeping it for must have features and bug fixes would be more correct IMHO.
>
>
> We should also have the 1.5.1 and 2.0 release "work in progress" pages as well, so we remember to update on the way. I will add them right now.
>
>
> And please also take the 15 min. to add/modify the wiki documentation as well. Would be lovely with a checkbox in JIRA you could tick off when you have fixed the wiki documentation as well ;) Sorry I am just pushing for documentation as well, as it is a must have to keep the learning curve lower and motivate new users to use Camel.
>
>
> Med venlig hilsen
>
> Claus Ibsen
> ......................................
> Silverbullet
> Skovsgårdsvænget 21
> 8362 Hørning
> Tlf. +45 2962 7576
> Web: www.silverbullet.dk
>
>
--
James
-------
http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
Open Source Integration
http://fusesource.com/