Re: Message translation question

[Francois Orsini <fr...@gmail.com>]

You will always run into the situation where noone can review some 
translated messages - it should work the same as getting code changes 
reviewed - Can code changes be checked-in without getting reviewed? ;)

On 8/31/05, Andrew McIntyre <mc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 8/31/05, Daniel John Debrunner <dj...@debrunners.com> wrote:
> > David W. Van Couvering wrote:
> >
> > > I would suspect that translations should be reviewed and committed 
> like
> > > any other patch, and svn functionality would be used to catch 
> conflicts.
> > > Reviewing messages does assume someone other than the submitter knows
> > > the language :)
> >
> > Exactly, it's just like code really.
> 
> With the exception that everyone here can read code and not everyone
> here can read, say, Korean.
> 
> What if somebody checks in a change to a previous translation in a
> language where noone in the community is capable of reviewing it? Do
> you just assume it is ok, until a bug is reported against the message?
> For expediency's sake that seems like the thing to do, but we might
> want to enshrine that as policy, so that if the question arises in the
> future, somebody can point back and say the decision was made to
> accept all contributions of translated materials even if there is no
> one capable of actually reviewing the content.
> 
> Just a thought... :-)
> 
> andrew
>

Re: Message translation question

[Daniel John Debrunner <dj...@debrunners.com>]

Andrew McIntyre wrote:

> 
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Francois Orsini wrote:
> 
>> You will always run into the situation where noone can review some 
>> translated messages - it should work the same as getting code  changes
>> reviewed - Can code changes be checked-in without getting  reviewed? ;)

Yes, code can be checked in without review. Derby is following
Commit-then-Review, if a committer has confidence in a change it can be
committed.

http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#CommitThenReview

> Ok, but let's say that I have a set of translations for the 10.1 
> messages (which I do). Can I not check them in because the community  on
> derby-dev lacks the language expertise to review all the  translated
> messages?
> 
> I trust that the translations are correct. My employer paid for the 
> translations and I have reason to believe that the quality of the 
> translation is high. That doesn't mean that you should necessarily 
> trust that the translations are correct. But, neither of us has the 
> expertise to verify that they are all correct.

As a committer you can check the changes in. Translations follow the
same rules as the code.

Dan.

Re: Message translation question

[Andrew McIntyre <mc...@gmail.com>]

On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Francois Orsini wrote:

> You will always run into the situation where noone can review some  
> translated messages - it should work the same as getting code  
> changes reviewed - Can code changes be checked-in without getting  
> reviewed? ;)

Ok, but let's say that I have a set of translations for the 10.1  
messages (which I do). Can I not check them in because the community  
on derby-dev lacks the language expertise to review all the  
translated messages?

I trust that the translations are correct. My employer paid for the  
translations and I have reason to believe that the quality of the  
translation is high. That doesn't mean that you should necessarily  
trust that the translations are correct. But, neither of us has the  
expertise to verify that they are all correct.

Do I sit on these translated messages forever more, and not  
contribute them? Or can we all agree to trust the translations, even  
though we can't personally verify their quality?

andrew